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On July 12 2018 10:15 Kickboxer wrote:
Inherent in the definition of a "worker" is the fact you're highly unlikely to possess the ability to run things.
A simple truth missed by both Marx and Lenin, apparently.
On a side note I'm pretty baffled that a site with an imagined collective intelligence well over average still believes Trump is an "idiot" or "fascist". The ideological possession on here is outlandish.
Not only is he going to win the next election in a breezy landslide (the democrats don't even have a candidate and it's 2018. Occasio Cortez is a proper communist (rofl), Bernie is like 90 and persona non grata, and the rest are Bloombergy neoliberal burgeoisie) - he's about to go down, along with Melania, as one of the most fascinating political figures of the modern age.
The Trump clan are straight out of a Shakespeare novel. Turning a 39$ jacket into a global talking point across the political spectrum is pure Machiavellian genius. But sure, let's pretend the man is stupid and we're living in 1930s Germany.
if you want to address the trump/idiot point you need to address some of the numerous instances wherein he demonstrated said idiocy and/or authoritarian tendencies. otherwise you're just engaging in your own ideological nonsense with nothing to back it up.
you're also grossly unfamiliar with the way things work if you think it's fatal to not have a candidate by now.
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On July 12 2018 10:17 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2018 10:15 Kickboxer wrote:
Inherent in the definition of a "worker" is the fact you're highly unlikely to possess the ability to run things.
A simple truth missed by both Marx and Lenin, apparently.
On a side note I'm pretty baffled that a site with an imagined collective intelligence well over average still believes Trump is an "idiot" or "fascist". The ideological possession on here is outlandish.
Not only is he going to win the next election in a breezy landslide (the democrats don't even have a candidate and it's 2018. Occasio Cortez is a proper communist (rofl), Bernie is like 90 and persona non grata, and the rest are Bloombergy neoliberal burgeoisie) - he's about to go down, along with Melania, as one of the most fascinating political figures of the modern age.
The Trump clan are straight out of a Shakespeare novel. Turning a 39$ jacket into a global talking point across the political spectrum is pure Machiavellian genius. But sure, let's pretend the man is stupid and we're living in 1930s Germany. The funniest part about the state of the democrat party is that Hillary is clearly thinking about running again.
No she isn't, there's no evidence that she's contemplating running for presidency besides a stupid New York Post article.
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Except her speaking tour, her two books, and media appearances.
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On July 12 2018 10:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Except her speaking tour, her two books, and media appearances.
Which is not evidence that she's going for a third run for the presidency. These things don't have direct relationships.
Its like Hillary Clinton doing even a single thing, even if its as simple as exploiting the current political climate to make money like other retired politicians, is enough to convince everyone that she's plotting something. What are you going to tell me next, James Comey is going to run for president because he had some media appearances, started to use Twitter fairly often and released a book?
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Most of the idiotic things he's said or done were on purpose. If you understand linguistics, the meme age and the nature of US politics it's not hard to connect the dots. When 100 million people are raging over a tweet - while pretending to live in a parallel reality in 1930 Germany - the proof is in the pudding.
Hillary is certainly insane enough to run again lol. She probably has like 400 mill left in the bank from her charity's last "fundraising". What a majestic shitshow that will be, too. Running against an incumbent Trump while you've already been dumpstered by "hopeless hitler" Trump takes a thoroughly mentally ill person.
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The fact that people continue to have delusions that Trump is anything more than a loud mouth billionaires with enough charisma to beat an equally unappealing candidate never ceases to impress.
And I aagree with Wom that Clinton could literally die and people would still say she was going to run for office/
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I can at least appreciate that Kickboxer is entirely open that he's a T_D reader.
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On July 12 2018 10:45 Kickboxer wrote:
Most of the idiotic things he's said or done were on purpose. If you understand linguistics, the meme age and the nature of US politics it's not hard to connect the dots. When 100 million people are raging over a tweet - while pretending to live in a parallel reality in 1930 Germany - the proof is in the pudding.
Hillary is certainly insane enough to run again lol. She probably has like 400 mill left in the bank from her charity's last "fundraising". What a majestic shitshow that will be, too. Running against an incumbent Trump while you've already been dumpstered by "hopeless hitler" Trump takes a thoroughly mentally ill person.
so, you have nothing to back it up other than your own assertions. you have no real arguments. and you cannot address the actual issues other than with vague claims.
since we already have a mentally ill person in the white house now; I fail to see the difference 
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Would like to see a poll on how many TLers would vote trump 2020
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On July 12 2018 10:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I can at least appreciate that Kickboxer is entirely open that he's a T_D reader.
This level of honesty is so rare these days. Most folks dance around the issue of reading aT_D or 4chan on the reg. I also love foreigners that are way more invested in Trump than most US voters that voted for him.
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On July 12 2018 10:15 Kickboxer wrote:
Inherent in the definition of a "worker" is the fact you're highly unlikely to possess the ability to run things.
A simple truth missed by both Marx and Lenin, apparently.
On a side note I'm pretty baffled that a site with an imagined collective intelligence well over average still believes Trump is an "idiot" or "fascist". The ideological possession on here is outlandish.
Not only is he going to win the next election in a breezy landslide (the democrats don't even have a candidate and it's 2018. Occasio Cortez is a proper communist (rofl), Bernie is like 90 and persona non grata, and the rest are Bloombergy neoliberal burgeoisie) - he's about to go down, along with Melania, as one of the most fascinating political figures of the modern age.
The Trump clan are straight out of a Shakespeare novel. Turning a 39$ jacket into a global talking point across the political spectrum is pure Machiavellian genius. But sure, let's pretend the man is stupid and we're living in 1930s Germany.
uh where do you think managers come from? ever heard of the peter principle?
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Clinton definitely wants to run again. She spent at least the last decade (personally it's been clear to me she would do anything to be president when she "stayed with" Bill) trying to be president.
The ONLY reason she won't run in 2020 is because no one will sign onto it but her most sycophantic supporters. Donors are willing to let her dictate who gets their money but they won't let her be the front person for the party again. Despite her desperate attempts to remain relevant enough to be in the running.
There's a reason she's still milking her donor networks and it's because she wants whoever the Democratic nominee is to be in her debt for netting them big campaign donations.
She represents everything wrong with the Democratic party and the comfort people have with her actions since the election are why there's no sign of them going a different. better, direction.
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On July 12 2018 01:29 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2018 00:35 KwarK wrote:On July 11 2018 23:53 xDaunt wrote:On July 11 2018 17:20 Leporello wrote:
Another year, another chance for Trump to show us how wrong we are, and that he is in fact a defender of democracy and not a Putin-plant.
Oh, well, I guess there's next year? If NATO still exists by then?
I bet Germany is really happy it sent all those soldiers to Afghanistan. When every other country was done, Germany was still there. My brother served other there with Germans. He never saw the French or English. Just the Germans.
The most casualties Germany has faced since WW2 was this, Afghanistan, entirely for our sake and against the political-will of the German people. And this is the thanks we give them... Republicans are traitors to my country and to democracy, and I will treat them as such until they completely apologize for this shit. No civil war. I just pretend you're all dead already.
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I mean, that sums it up, but the guy makes the tiresome mistake of acting like this is all just dumbfuckery, and not malicious intent. At this point, it is clearly the latter.
Trump doesn't need to "read history" (his voters certainly fucking do) he needs to be bayoneted by a ghost of a WW2 soldier.
If the Europeans really cared about NATO, they'd meet their defense funding obligations. Instead, they're freeloading on America's defense spending. Now, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and presume that you're someone who doesn't like the US spending as much as it does on defense. Surely you're not on board with the idea that the US should be subsidizing the national defense of foreign, wealthy countries. American global spending is an irrelevant and distractory argument when looking at NATO specific defence obligations. If the UK spent 2% due to commitments in the Falklands you’d not view that as a NATO contribution. Significantly more importantly, no sane person should want any particular European power from spending too much on defense. For fuck's sake, I know America came in at the end, but both World Wars started in Europe. The EU, NATO, the reduced defense spending, it's all about preventing the slow but inevitable rise of tensions in Europe that eventually boiled over into those two events from happening again. But hey, fuck it. Let's have Germany 'pull its weight' and start super spending on defense and military again. I'M SURE NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG. It amazes me how much people have forgotten about events that are only just outside living memory.
While the EU was explicitly designed to solve the problem of Germany in Europe I think we're somewhat past that. The age of massed battalions swarming through Belgium ended with the emergence of the nuclear age. Otherwise we'd have seen India and Pakistan reenact the western front a dozen times over by now.
I totally agree that Trump has no idea why the US is in Europe (or Japan) or why some people (like S Korea) might get a little uneasy about Japan pulling its weight militarily, but I don't agree that all the postwar institutions are playing the same roles that they were designed for.
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On July 12 2018 10:33 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2018 10:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Except her speaking tour, her two books, and media appearances. Which is not evidence that she's going for a third run for the presidency. These things don't have direct relationships. Its like Hillary Clinton doing even a single thing, even if its as simple as exploiting the current political climate to make money like other retired politicians, is enough to convince everyone that she's plotting something. What are you going to tell me next, James Comey is going to run for president because he had some media appearances, started to use Twitter fairly often and released a book?
Except Comey doesn't have a persecution complex, massive ego, and and a grudge nearly 20 years old where she isn't being idolized. Her being POTUS, and the first female one at that, is a form of therapy for her. She feels she is owed.
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On July 12 2018 10:15 Kickboxer wrote:
Inherent in the definition of a "worker" is the fact you're highly unlikely to possess the ability to run things.
A simple truth missed by both Marx and Lenin, apparently.
On a side note I'm pretty baffled that a site with an imagined collective intelligence well over average still believes Trump is an "idiot" or "fascist". The ideological possession on here is outlandish.
Not only is he going to win the next election in a breezy landslide (the democrats don't even have a candidate and it's 2018. Occasio Cortez is a proper communist (rofl), Bernie is like 90 and persona non grata, and the rest are Bloombergy neoliberal burgeoisie) - he's about to go down, along with Melania, as one of the most fascinating political figures of the modern age.
The Trump clan are straight out of a Shakespeare novel. Turning a 39$ jacket into a global talking point across the political spectrum is pure Machiavellian genius. But sure, let's pretend the man is stupid and we're living in 1930s Germany.
You're living in a world that is completely different to the one the rest of us are living in.
Two days ago your Machiavellian genius made this speech on immigration.
I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.
It's hardly Eisenhower's farewell address, or "Ask not what your country can do for you", is it?
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Kickboxer does help show why my political position is important. If Occasio-Cortez is "a proper communist" what does that make us over here on her left?
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On July 12 2018 11:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Kickboxer does help show why my political position is important. If Occasio-Cortez is "a proper communist" what does that make us over here on her left?
The rich man's boogyman?
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On July 12 2018 11:57 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2018 11:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Kickboxer does help show why my political position is important. If Occasio-Cortez is "a proper communist" what does that make us over here on her left? The rich man's boogyman?
I like to think of us as more of The Creeper but instead of eating dumb teenagers we rise up and eat the rich periodically.
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On July 12 2018 11:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2018 10:33 Womwomwom wrote:On July 12 2018 10:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Except her speaking tour, her two books, and media appearances. Which is not evidence that she's going for a third run for the presidency. These things don't have direct relationships. Its like Hillary Clinton doing even a single thing, even if its as simple as exploiting the current political climate to make money like other retired politicians, is enough to convince everyone that she's plotting something. What are you going to tell me next, James Comey is going to run for president because he had some media appearances, started to use Twitter fairly often and released a book? Except Comey doesn't have a persecution complex, massive ego, and and a grudge nearly 20 years old where she isn't being idolized. Her being POTUS, and the first female one at that, is a form of therapy for her. She feels she is owed.
I'll be honest, those things honestly say more about you than her. She probably would like to run like every VP who never won the nomination, general election loser or single term president but she's not going to run. GreenHorizons' assessment of Clinton's current situation is far more realistic than whatever you think Clinton is plotting.
She's not running, the Democratic Party has moved on and no one but her booklickers will accept her nomination. She's got other ways to enforce her will on the Democratic Party if she really wants to do that.
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On July 12 2018 10:45 Kickboxer wrote:
Most of the idiotic things he's said or done were on purpose. If you understand linguistics, the meme age and the nature of US politics it's not hard to connect the dots. When 100 million people are raging over a tweet - while pretending to live in a parallel reality in 1930 Germany - the proof is in the pudding.
Hillary is certainly insane enough to run again lol. She probably has like 400 mill left in the bank from her charity's last "fundraising". What a majestic shitshow that will be, too. Running against an incumbent Trump while you've already been dumpstered by "hopeless hitler" Trump takes a thoroughly mentally ill person.
When you go into this with the preconceived notion that he's a genius and so smart you can't even comprehend his 7d bingo strategy, then every blunder will look like some genius move to you. If you however take a closer look at just about any of his "speaches" you will see that he just rants, rambles, completely loses track of the topic, and goes completely off track. Those things are not done on purpose, and are not the signs of some brilliant genius strategy.
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