US Politics Mega-thread - Page 453

On July 12 2018 06:55 Velr wrote:
Could we maybe argue why you need a document written instone only to be admended and not just, well, a flexible, changeable, document?

The american constitution was really awesome, 200 yeras ago, but its just not fit anymore. But instead of changing it you devolve into "reinterpretation", like the christians do with the bible... Until you arrive at a place where the words in the GREAT document don't mean anything anymore because they got interpreted too much...

On July 12 2018 06:55 Velr wrote:
Could we maybe argue why you need a document written instone only to be admended and not just, well, a flexible, changeable, document?

The american constitution was really awesome, 200 yeras ago, but its just not fit anymore. But instead of changing it you devolve into "reinterpretation", like the christians do with the bible... Until you arrive at a place where the words in the GREAT document don't mean anything anymore because they got interpreted too much...

The White House said in a statement to The Washington Post on Wednesday that chief of staff John Kelly looked “displeased” during part of the NATO summit in Brussels “because he was expecting a full breakfast and there were only pastries and cheese.”

On July 12 2018 08:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
All I can hope for is that if this Admin is ever thrown out from power none of these people that worked for never get work again and forced to leave the country or simply move to Alaska and never heard from again.

On July 12 2018 01:38 a_flayer wrote:

Yeah... I'm not so worried about Germany this time around. The video in the spoiler was 15 years ago. They've gone from invading countries in 2001/2003 to locking up little kids in 2017/2018 in the same post-9/11 rise of xenophobia. I don't see Germany locking up little refugee kids.

+ Show Spoiler +

And, just as expected, that train is right on time:

https://forward.com/fast-forward/405235/jews-must-be-stopped-california-gop-congressional-candidate-robocall/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/patrick-little-neo-nazi-california/


I honestly think it is kind of insulting that you would say what you did. The Germans today are a very moral people, I think. They have learned from their past. Some countries have not, it appears.

On July 12 2018 08:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
All I can hope for is that if this Admin is ever thrown out from power none of these people that worked for never get work again and forced to leave the country or simply move to Alaska and never heard from again.

On July 12 2018 08:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

nah, if they want to work hard and be productive they deserve a job above lazy people who don't want to do anything. productivity is an act of nobility. saying they should never work again is way over the top. and, there are lots of lazy people.

On July 12 2018 08:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

nah, if they want to work hard and be productive they deserve a job above lazy people who don't want to do anything. productivity is an act of nobility. saying they should never work again is way over the top. and, there are lots of lazy people.

On July 11 2018 23:10 IgnE wrote:


Advocating for rule of law is advocating for order. This can be a decent thing, where the order has legitimacy, and it can be regressive, where the order has lost its legitimacy. I'm fairly sure that xDaunt has previously made arguments that colonial rule in Africa was justified by the very order it brought. My point was that there was no transition from Tsar to Soviet Republic that wouldn't be bloody. There might have been times and ways that would have been less bloody, but once the revolution has occurred and the Tsar has fallen, appealing to "the rule of law" doesn't really make much sense: Lenin and the bolsheviks knew that the rule of law was essential, and that the revolution was threatened. Look at all their paranoid crimes beginning very shortly after gaining power. xDaunt always assumes the legitimacy of the law, which is fine under certain circumstances, but he (should) know as well as anyone that ultimately there is no positive "natural" content of modern sovereign order. It is always grounded in an abyssal free decision.

Does Lenin have blood on his hands? Obviously. But so does every American President going back to Washington. Does he have a lot of blood on his hands? Yes. But then again, it is hard to even imagine the situation he and his comrades were in. Consider that if the revolution failed, if the bolsheviks could not institute law and order from the chaos that was Russia, he and the others would almost certainly have been killed themselves. There were real enemies. Consider also how preposterous it sounds that Lenin actually willed or wanted a famine. But once a famine has come, deaths are inevitable. To what extent was the famine directly their fault and to what extent was some kind of famine going to happen anyway? I don't know the answer to that question. But permit me a follow up question: to what extent is a famine sufficient reason to abdicate power? It should be obvious that Lenin and the bolsheviks made plenty of terrible mistakes. But was the October Revolution itself a mistake? I say not.

On July 12 2018 08:19 iamthedave wrote:
And yes, it's pretty obvious that America's the country threatening to slide into fascism right now, though Italy seems to be doing the old Rugby endzone charge to try and keep up.

On July 12 2018 08:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote:

Fair enough; I'd also say that the question of Lenin v Trump v Clonton doesn't matter, and that Lenin's ideals and pursuit of them was so mired in (at the time) unforseen consequences that it is hard to see him as evil instead of catastrophically incorrect.


Erdogan would like a word with you about this rugby game.

On July 12 2018 08:04 On_Slaught wrote:
Since nothing else is really going on in this thread, I'll post this because it is a new low for this white house and their relationship with the truth.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1017008133808578561

Any reasonable person (ie not a braindead MAGAer) can see that Kelly is displeased by Trump's remarks. Sarah Huckabee's explanation?

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1017149197429149696

I mean, what can you even say anymore? They are so far detached from reality that lying is an automatic response to anything the media says. That this works for some people shows how dangerous this administration is. I guess i shouldn't be surprised anymore... they literally lied about the weather on inauguration day.

P.S. Incase you were wondering, yes most of what Trump said in the clip was false. As if one needs to ask.

Edit: Jinx!

n 2016, Kavanaugh reported having between $60,000 to $200,000 in debt accrued over three credit cards and a personal loan. Each credit card held between $15,000 to $50,000 in debt, and a Thrift Savings Plan loan was between $15,000 to $50,000.

The credit card debts and loan were paid off in 2017, according to the filings, which do not require details on the nature or source of such payments. Shah told The Post that Kavanaugh’s friends reimbursed him for their share of the baseball tickets and that the judge has since stopped purchasing the season tickets.

On July 12 2018 10:15 Kickboxer wrote:
Inherent in the definition of a "worker" is the fact you're highly unlikely to possess the ability to run things.

A simple truth missed by both Marx and Lenin, apparently.

On a side note I'm pretty baffled that a site with an imagined collective intelligence well over average still believes Trump is an "idiot" or "fascist". The ideological possession on here is outlandish.

Not only is he going to win the next election in a breezy landslide (the democrats don't even have a candidate and it's 2018. Occasio Cortez is a proper communist (rofl), Bernie is like 90 and persona non grata, and the rest are Bloombergy neoliberal burgeoisie) - he's about to go down, along with Melania, as one of the most fascinating political figures of the modern age.

The Trump clan are straight out of a Shakespeare novel. Turning a 39$ jacket into a global talking point across the political spectrum is pure Machiavellian genius. But sure, let's pretend the man is stupid and we're living in 1930s Germany.