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Shadowboxing is actually pretty cool and useful and common if you've ever actually, y'know, learned boxing lol
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On November 08 2024 03:12 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:03 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:On March 18 2024 23:20 KwarK wrote:
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It’s not incoherent, it’s deranged. You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. Trump just wanted a suspect result scrutinized? The dude incited an actual insurrection. That is not 'just looking at a suspect result'. But sure, its the derangement around Trump, not your utter denial of reality... No, no he didn't. Do you think the Canadian trucker protest was also an insurrection, just curious? It was in front of the parliament buildings. They got called Nazis too btw, by the people who fight so tirelessly for inclusion. Seems like a memetic literal concrete comprehension which believes that a protest outside a government building makes it an insurrection, as though we're still living in the 4th century BCE, and not the information age. Guess when he told them to go home after 2 hours that was a typo, it was meant to read "send them to Bergen Belsen." Did the trucker protest storm the building while the certification was going on? Because Trump's 'protest' did. Thats why we call it an insurrection, because they stormed the building looking to stop to certification of the election.
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On November 08 2024 03:12 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:03 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:On March 18 2024 23:20 KwarK wrote:
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It’s not incoherent, it’s deranged. You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. Trump just wanted a suspect result scrutinized? The dude incited an actual insurrection. That is not 'just looking at a suspect result'. But sure, its the derangement around Trump, not your utter denial of reality... No, no he didn't. Do you think the Canadian trucker protest was also an insurrection, just curious? It was in front of the parliament buildings. They got called Nazis too btw, by the people who fight so tirelessly for inclusion. Seems like a memetic literal concrete comprehension which believes that a protest outside a government building makes it an insurrection, as though we're still living in the 4th century BCE, and not the information age. Guess when he told them to go home after 2 hours that was a typo, it was meant to read "send them to Bergen Belsen."
Why did Trump make 7 fake slates of electors and try to get Mike Pence to declare him as a winner of an election he lost?
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On November 08 2024 03:12 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:03 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:On March 18 2024 23:20 KwarK wrote:
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It’s not incoherent, it’s deranged. You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. Trump just wanted a suspect result scrutinized? The dude incited an actual insurrection. That is not 'just looking at a suspect result'. But sure, its the derangement around Trump, not your utter denial of reality... No, no he didn't. Do you think the Canadian trucker protest was also an insurrection, just curious? It was in front of the parliament buildings. They got called Nazis too btw, by the people who fight so tirelessly for inclusion. Seems like a memetic literal concrete comprehension which believes that a protest outside a government building makes it an insurrection, as though we're still living in the 4th century BCE, and not the information age. Guess when he told them to go home after 2 hours that was a typo, it was meant to read "send them to Bergen Belsen."
Did Trump cast aspersions on the election results both privately and publicly, leverage pressure on certifiers and even today at this point still not concede he lost?
One of the benefits of the Information Age is well, we have that information.
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On November 08 2024 03:20 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:12 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 03:03 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:
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You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. Trump just wanted a suspect result scrutinized? The dude incited an actual insurrection. That is not 'just looking at a suspect result'. But sure, its the derangement around Trump, not your utter denial of reality... No, no he didn't. Do you think the Canadian trucker protest was also an insurrection, just curious? It was in front of the parliament buildings. They got called Nazis too btw, by the people who fight so tirelessly for inclusion. Seems like a memetic literal concrete comprehension which believes that a protest outside a government building makes it an insurrection, as though we're still living in the 4th century BCE, and not the information age. Guess when he told them to go home after 2 hours that was a typo, it was meant to read "send them to Bergen Belsen." Did the trucker protest storm the building while the certification was going on? Because Trump's 'protest' did. Thats why we call it an insurrection, because they stormed the building looking to stop to certification of the election.
By your definition it wasn't an insurrection until they stormed the building. Trump didn't tell them to storm the building. Therefore Trump didn't organize an insurrection.
QED
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The calling out has worked. It's effective. I've finally broken to those with the clear moral high ground.
I supported Obama but admit I got tricked by Drumpf.
I swear on my life I'll never vote for him again.
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On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:On March 18 2024 23:20 KwarK wrote:On March 18 2024 18:06 BlackJack wrote:On March 18 2024 11:34 KwarK wrote:
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[quote] https://youtube.com/shorts/yWD9T5J0vaQ?si=xPccA0ZcIk4EY2ntFound the snippet you’re quoting. A fly buzzes around him on stage so he does some half-serious ad libbing about flies while pandering to his base by implying that the red meat republicans can’t harm flies because of pussy liberal animal rights activists. Ok… that’s pretty on brand from Trump. Hardly incoherent. Once again this just reinforces my point. Trump gets up and talks off the cuff for hours on end and tweets every thought that comes through his mind. If Biden goes off script for 2 minutes it’s a disaster. It’s not incoherent, it’s deranged. You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. + Show Spoiler +
Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism.
The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing.
The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only arriculating who they are inside.
If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion.
As far as I can tell none of the Dems/libs here are supportive of the suggestion of them not proudly and peacefully handing power over to fascists.
Nor have any shown any support for the fact that Biden can legally assasinate Trump and Vance in his official capacity as President to protect the US from a fascist takeover
It's incoherent with their campaigning/rhetoric on Trump being a fascist dictator on day 1. It's irrational from a practical perspective and inconsistent with their understanding of free speech absolutism and the tolerance paradox.
It's probably more hypocritical of them to willingly hand him power after he tried to steal it than it would be to refuse to give it to him though.
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On November 08 2024 03:23 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:20 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 03:12 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 03:03 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:
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The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. Trump just wanted a suspect result scrutinized? The dude incited an actual insurrection. That is not 'just looking at a suspect result'. But sure, its the derangement around Trump, not your utter denial of reality... No, no he didn't. Do you think the Canadian trucker protest was also an insurrection, just curious? It was in front of the parliament buildings. They got called Nazis too btw, by the people who fight so tirelessly for inclusion. Seems like a memetic literal concrete comprehension which believes that a protest outside a government building makes it an insurrection, as though we're still living in the 4th century BCE, and not the information age. Guess when he told them to go home after 2 hours that was a typo, it was meant to read "send them to Bergen Belsen." Did the trucker protest storm the building while the certification was going on? Because Trump's 'protest' did. Thats why we call it an insurrection, because they stormed the building looking to stop to certification of the election. By your definition it wasn't an insurrection until they stormed the building. Trump didn't tell them to storm the building. Therefore Trump didn't organize an insurrection. QED
People will say stuff like this and simultaneously complain they’re not taken seriously lmao
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Looks like Kari Lake is going to lose again in Arizona.
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Ashli Babbitt had already been shot by the time Trump told the people to go home. Knowing that the elector slates had been evacuated with congress safely and that the guards were going to start shooting to defend them meant that the coup had failed to achieve its aims. The only thing left for Trump at that point was damage control.
A lot of people trying to justify why they voted for Trump or why Trump winning is a good thing for America. A quote that has helped me and others yesterday is "don't be there for the people who weren't there for you". Not going to have a lot of time for the people who didn't vote for harris yet want to tell me to do any type of work for them.
A ban on slavery is currently failing to pass in California. Miss me hard next time someone from California tries to tell me they're a leftist state.
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On November 08 2024 03:27 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:23 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 03:20 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 03:12 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 03:03 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:
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"If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse
The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. Trump just wanted a suspect result scrutinized? The dude incited an actual insurrection. That is not 'just looking at a suspect result'. But sure, its the derangement around Trump, not your utter denial of reality... No, no he didn't. Do you think the Canadian trucker protest was also an insurrection, just curious? It was in front of the parliament buildings. They got called Nazis too btw, by the people who fight so tirelessly for inclusion. Seems like a memetic literal concrete comprehension which believes that a protest outside a government building makes it an insurrection, as though we're still living in the 4th century BCE, and not the information age. Guess when he told them to go home after 2 hours that was a typo, it was meant to read "send them to Bergen Belsen." Did the trucker protest storm the building while the certification was going on? Because Trump's 'protest' did. Thats why we call it an insurrection, because they stormed the building looking to stop to certification of the election. By your definition it wasn't an insurrection until they stormed the building. Trump didn't tell them to storm the building. Therefore Trump didn't organize an insurrection. QED People will say stuff like this and simultaneously complain they’re not taken seriously lmao
But he said QED!
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On November 08 2024 03:15 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 08 2024 03:05 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:
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You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. What in the name of fuck are you talking about? Honestly I've never seen 'introduction to psychology' so ridiculously badly understood in my life, and I would know because I took that class when I was 11 years old and everyone understood it fine. It’s an almost breathtaking level of bullshit that I’d enjoy if it was part of some associated standup comedy routine
I think he genuinely doesn't understand that they broke into the Capitol, assaulted Capitol Police, and threatened to hang Mike Pence. But he needs us to listen to them because otherwise how will we understand US politics?
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On November 08 2024 03:28 Sermokala wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ashli Babbitt had already been shot by the time Trump told the people to go home.
A lot of people trying to justify why they voted for Trump or why Trump winning is a good thing for America. A quote that has helped me and others yesterday is "don't be there for the people who weren't there for you". Not going to have a lot of time for the people who didn't vote for harris yet want to tell me to do any type of work for them. A ban on slavery is currently failing to pass in California. Miss me hard next time someone from California tries to tell me they're a leftist state.
To be honest I didn't even know this was on the ballot all the months I've been harping on Democrats failing to even end the enslavement of US citizens for 100+ years.
It's not a "leftist" state but that's Democrat af.
EDIT: Should be noted there wasn't even an opposition campaign. Like at all. No one even submitted one of those arguments for the opposition in their voter pamphlets/on the ballot
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Northern Ireland26799 Posts
On November 08 2024 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:On March 18 2024 23:20 KwarK wrote:On March 18 2024 18:06 BlackJack wrote:[quote] https://youtube.com/shorts/yWD9T5J0vaQ?si=xPccA0ZcIk4EY2ntFound the snippet you’re quoting. A fly buzzes around him on stage so he does some half-serious ad libbing about flies while pandering to his base by implying that the red meat republicans can’t harm flies because of pussy liberal animal rights activists. Ok… that’s pretty on brand from Trump. Hardly incoherent. Once again this just reinforces my point. Trump gets up and talks off the cuff for hours on end and tweets every thought that comes through his mind. If Biden goes off script for 2 minutes it’s a disaster. It’s not incoherent, it’s deranged. You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. + Show Spoiler +
Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism.
The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing.
The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only arriculating who they are inside.
If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. As far as I can tell none of the Dems/libs here are supportive of the suggestion of them not proudly and peacefully handing power over to fascists. Nor have any shown any support for the fact that Biden can legally assasinate Trump and Vance in his official capacity as President to protect the US from a fascist takeover It's incoherent with their campaigning/rhetoric on Trump being a fascist dictator on day 1. It's irrational from a practical perspective and inconsistent with their understanding of free speech absolutism and the tolerance paradox. It's probably more hypocritical of them to willingly hand him power after he tried to steal it than it would be to refuse to give it to him though.
Yes the two are a bit incongruous in combination. Trump is a Fascist we can’t allow in, but hey if we wins an election we’ll not do anything
But yeah, the ‘we’ll not do anything until the next vote’ is still demonstrably the approach
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Canada11519 Posts
On November 08 2024 03:12 sevencck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:03 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:On March 18 2024 23:20 KwarK wrote:
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It’s not incoherent, it’s deranged. You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. Trump just wanted a suspect result scrutinized? The dude incited an actual insurrection. That is not 'just looking at a suspect result'. But sure, its the derangement around Trump, not your utter denial of reality... No, no he didn't. Do you think the Canadian trucker protest was also an insurrection, just curious? It was in front of the parliament buildings. They got called Nazis too btw, by the people who fight so tirelessly for inclusion. Seems like a memetic literal concrete comprehension which believes that a protest outside a government building makes it an insurrection, as though we're still living in the 4th century BCE, and not the information age. Guess when he told them to go home after 2 hours that was a typo, it was meant to read "send them to Bergen Belsen."
No, no, no, no. A thousand times no. I defend the Trucker protest from the silly accusations of an insurrection. It most definitely was a protest. An obnoxious one to the local residents, but a protest nonetheless. Trudeau got excited because he thought he had a January 6 on his hands, but he was dead wrong.
What Trump tried to do is nothing the same. He demanded that states stop counting votes of all things! Would you accept that from any Democrat president or would you be in the streets crying 'Tyrant'??
Trump tried to over-ride the will of the people (false electors). He was pressuring states to find votes for him, which constitutionally, the president has no role in the elector role. Besides, based on what he was asking, it was quite transparently a quest to just have the States declare the number he needed to win +1 and Trump's team 'would do the rest." His cronies went around deliberately lying about election fraud. (Giuliani's defence was that he lied, but it was his First Amendment right to do so.) All their climp chimped falsehoods were shut down in the courts and when it all failed, they tried to strong-arm Mike Pence into breaking his constitutional duty.
Do you think it was a coincidence that they all showed up on January 6, carrying weapons and guns and shouting revolution, and "Hang Mike Pence?"
The vote certification was delayed and it was a genuine attempt to stop the certification of the vote through intimidation. That goes well beyond a violent protest that attempts to persuade the government to change it's mind. It was a blatant attempt to overturn the functions of government itself through force.
I don't mind calling that an insurrection. It is categorically different than the Trucker protest, who as far as I know stuck to the streets, adjusted their protest to allow a single lane of traffic through (I think-it's been so long now. I know that they did accept some restrictions put upon them by police... though not the one that told them to go home.) And I don't even think they crossed onto the lawn outside Parliament, but certainly did not try to storm the government buildings.
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On November 08 2024 03:32 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:15 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 03:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 08 2024 03:05 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:
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The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. What in the name of fuck are you talking about? Honestly I've never seen 'introduction to psychology' so ridiculously badly understood in my life, and I would know because I took that class when I was 11 years old and everyone understood it fine. It’s an almost breathtaking level of bullshit that I’d enjoy if it was part of some associated standup comedy routine I think he genuinely doesn't understand that they broke into the Capitol, assaulted Capitol Police, and threatened to hang Mike Pence. But he needs us to listen to them because otherwise how will we understand US politics?
He'll claim they were allowed in. That's a very common lie. In truth the insurrectionists were being blocked, then they breached, then they were tactically led by security through specific corridors away from the evacuation zones. It was a brave and effective effort by security that prevented a massive escalation of violence.
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On November 08 2024 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:On March 18 2024 23:20 KwarK wrote:On March 18 2024 18:06 BlackJack wrote:[quote] https://youtube.com/shorts/yWD9T5J0vaQ?si=xPccA0ZcIk4EY2ntFound the snippet you’re quoting. A fly buzzes around him on stage so he does some half-serious ad libbing about flies while pandering to his base by implying that the red meat republicans can’t harm flies because of pussy liberal animal rights activists. Ok… that’s pretty on brand from Trump. Hardly incoherent. Once again this just reinforces my point. Trump gets up and talks off the cuff for hours on end and tweets every thought that comes through his mind. If Biden goes off script for 2 minutes it’s a disaster. It’s not incoherent, it’s deranged. You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. + Show Spoiler +
Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism.
The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing.
The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only arriculating who they are inside.
If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. As far as I can tell none of the Dems/libs here are supportive of the suggestion of them not proudly and peacefully handing power over to fascists.
I think Biden ought to use the broad-scope immunity the Supreme Court gave him and fucking do something. What little hope I have left for the Democrats will go up in smoke if they just roll over here. Scare the Republicans into finally acting like their actions have consequences by showing them the other edge of the sword they created when they gave Trump immunity. Threaten to pack the Supreme Court unless they get their shit in line and act accountable to the people.
Republicans condoned violence in the name of contravening democracy on January 6th. I don't care what they think.
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On November 08 2024 03:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:28 Sermokala wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ashli Babbitt had already been shot by the time Trump told the people to go home.
A lot of people trying to justify why they voted for Trump or why Trump winning is a good thing for America. A quote that has helped me and others yesterday is "don't be there for the people who weren't there for you". Not going to have a lot of time for the people who didn't vote for harris yet want to tell me to do any type of work for them. A ban on slavery is currently failing to pass in California. Miss me hard next time someone from California tries to tell me they're a leftist state. To be honest I didn't even know this was on the ballot all the months I've been harping on Democrats failing to even end the enslavement of US citizens for 100+ years. It's not a "leftist" state but that's Democrat af.
Yeah I'm going to save this post for the next time you try to explain to me what way I should vote on anything at all. If you're so uninformed about whats going on in your own state about an issue I've seen you give a shit about before this cycle I'm not going to respect you to do the work on any issue in the future.
You care so little about ending the enslavement of US citizens you didn't know it was on the ballot until the election. Needed something to laugh about this morning.
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On November 08 2024 03:33 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:12 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 03:03 Gorsameth wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2024 00:28 sevencck wrote:
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You lost the presidency, the senate, the house, and the supreme court. You're losing the culture war and don't really even appear to understand why. Instead of listening, as you so evidently should, you continue to lecture. Who's deranged? The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. Trump just wanted a suspect result scrutinized? The dude incited an actual insurrection. That is not 'just looking at a suspect result'. But sure, its the derangement around Trump, not your utter denial of reality... No, no he didn't. Do you think the Canadian trucker protest was also an insurrection, just curious? It was in front of the parliament buildings. They got called Nazis too btw, by the people who fight so tirelessly for inclusion. Seems like a memetic literal concrete comprehension which believes that a protest outside a government building makes it an insurrection, as though we're still living in the 4th century BCE, and not the information age. Guess when he told them to go home after 2 hours that was a typo, it was meant to read "send them to Bergen Belsen." No, no, no, no. A thousand times now. I defend the Trucker protest from the silly accusations of an insurrection. It most definitely was a protest. An obnoxious one to the local residents, but a protest nonetheless. Trudeau got excited because he thought he had a January 6 on his hands, but he was dead wrong. What Trump tried to do is nothing the same. He tried to over-ride the will of the people (false electors). He was pressuring states to find votes for him, which constitutionally, the president has no role in the elector role. Besides, based on what he was asking, it was quite transparently a quest to just have the States declare the number he needed to win +1 and Trump's team 'would do the rest." His cronies went around deliberately lying about election fraud. (Giuliani's defence was that he lied, but it was his First Amendment right to do so.) All their climp chimped falsehoods were shut down in the courts and when it all failed, they tried to strong-arm Mike Pence into breaking his constitutional duty. Do you think it was a coincidence that they all showed up on January 6, carrying weapons and guns and shouting revolution, and "Hang Mike Pence? The vote certification was delayed and it was a genuine attempt to stop the certification of the vote through intimidation. That goes well beyond a violent protest that attempts to persuade the government to change it's mind. It was a blatant attempt to overturn the functions of government itself through force. I don't mind calling that an insurrection. It is categorically different than the Trucker protest.
Of course it wasn't a coincidence.
But if you believe there has been fraud in an election, it is appropriate to protest. It shouldn't be certified until legitimate and widespread doubts have been addressed, and they weren't being addressed. Thus we are discussing the line between protest and unlawful action. If the people have reason to be at the capital for protest, then the accusation of insurrection is extremely uncharitable even if violence does break out. My question to you: the millions of people not at the capital that day who wanted the results scrutinized more closely, do you think they wanted protest or insurrection? Do they become insurrectionists for supporting a protest that loses control? And if they don't, then why aren't we acknowledging there was a legitimate basis for protest?
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Northern Ireland26799 Posts
On November 08 2024 03:32 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2024 03:15 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 03:11 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 08 2024 03:05 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:49 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 02:37 NewSunshine wrote:On November 08 2024 02:32 WombaT wrote:On November 08 2024 02:20 Slydie wrote:On November 08 2024 01:38 sevencck wrote:On November 08 2024 01:30 KwarK wrote:
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The old man yelling about how he hates flies is the deranged one. "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -Hermann Hesse The derangement around Trump is like 90% shadow projection. You're all just shadow boxing with your own inner tyrant imo. So the Trump voters who are angry at Kamala and Democrats are really just angry with their inner Kamala/Democrat? And what is 100% not a part of you so you are not disturbed by it? That kind of quotes are only good for making people angry. It is like a parent claiming "you are only fighting because you are so alike". The quote is a perfectly reasonable one, just completely ripped from what it’s meant to actually describe Correct. That quote has infinitely more to do with why a Trumper bristles at being called racist than it does with why reasonable people are upset with the Right's fascism. Incorrect. If you're reacting to something inside of you then you aren't actually responsive to what is outside of you, youre just shadow boxing and that's the difference. I don't see the same derangement among conservatives on any level, people very reasonably don't want to live under socialism. The derangement around Trump has been next level. When you foam at the mouth about him being a nazi, Hitler, a fascist, and a tyrant (particularly as you try to force a vaccine on others, and exlude those from society who refuse) it is quite clear that you are just shadow boxing. When you have a stroke about racism and all the rest of it, while accusing black men who voted for Trump of x, y, and z, it's clear you're just shadow boxing. The dems accused Trump of trying to overturn an election because he wanted a suspect result scrutinized. They're only articulating who they are inside. If I'm correct (I am), we will see dems advocate for not handing over power in the coming weeks. We've already seen such an intimation on the past couple page of the current discussion. What in the name of fuck are you talking about? Honestly I've never seen 'introduction to psychology' so ridiculously badly understood in my life, and I would know because I took that class when I was 11 years old and everyone understood it fine. It’s an almost breathtaking level of bullshit that I’d enjoy if it was part of some associated standup comedy routine I think he genuinely doesn't understand that they broke into the Capitol, assaulted Capitol Police, and threatened to hang Mike Pence. But he needs us to listen to them because otherwise how will we understand US politics?
He/she doesn’t want to understand it. There’s a difference. Ignorance versus intransigence.
Nout wrong with ignorance in my book, we live in a very complicated world. I’ll never judge a person for merely not having heard of something or some event.
How you respond to information is where I’ll judge you.
Hardcore MAGA types can’t sustain their ‘the liberals want to dominate us’ worldview and concede that their guy attempted a literal coup. So they won’t
Any such type should just have their assessment and opinions dismissed with the utmost contempt.
Whereas I’m happy to continue the conversation with a conservative who might have a very different worldview, but is capable of conceding that these events happened and were unacceptable.
What many conservatives in current year don’t seem to understand is their complete inability to address actual reality is why people couldn’t be arsed engaging with them, not their actual political views
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