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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
July 09 2018 23:12 GMT
#8661
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

Anyone seen this piece by Jonathan Chait? There's nothing really new in it per se, but Chait does a good job of simply recording a lot of important little details about Trump's history all in the same article.

The "conspiratorial pessimistic outlook" presented in the article sums up my view of the whole matter fairly well. Namely, Trump is Russia's man through and through and has been since 1987. This doesn't mean all his actions since 1987 were taken specifically at the behest of the Kremlin, just that ever since 1987 the Kremlin viewed Trump as a useful person of influence in the USA whom they had leverage over. Also, their leverage over him seems to have increased considerably since 1987 due to all the Russian cash financing the Trump Org in the 2000s (see Don Jr's statements in 2008 and Eric's in 2014).

If you think I sound insane, I suggest you read the article.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 23:19:30
July 09 2018 23:15 GMT
#8662
On July 10 2018 07:56 KR_4EVR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2018 06:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On July 10 2018 06:35 Mercy13 wrote:
For what it's worth, Barrett was my professor for Fed. Courts and as far as I could tell she never allowed her personal religious or political beliefs to impact her teaching. I'm sure her rulings would piss me off, but she seemed like a decent person which might be the best we can hope for these days.


That might explain why Trump's interview with her didn't go well. We'll see.


-snipped for brevity-

Go ahead and believe in the "salvation" that will never come. Humans are so virtuous their cause is so 'just'. Or maybe, wake up and realize that there are only two parties in the USA. The party of selfishness (GOP) and the party of pure evil (DRC).


I'm kinda curious where the "DRC" acronym came from. Am I just out of the loop? Is this some new term amongst the kind of people who talk about how 'it is written?' Does the R stand for something mean/derogatory along with the C?

I could see how DNC could morph to DRC, but the DNC would be contrasted with the RNC not the GOP.

(I'm actually curious if this is the case, by the way, not joking)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 09 2018 23:21 GMT
#8663
On July 10 2018 08:12 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

Anyone seen this piece by Jonathan Chait? There's nothing really new in it per se, but Chait does a good job of simply recording a lot of important little details about Trump's history all in the same article.

The "conspiratorial pessimistic outlook" presented in the article sums up my view of the whole matter fairly well. Namely, Trump is Russia's man through and through and has been since 1987. This doesn't mean all his actions since 1987 were taken specifically at the behest of the Kremlin, just that ever since 1987 the Kremlin viewed Trump as a useful person of influence in the USA whom they had leverage over. Also, their leverage over him seems to have increased considerably since 1987 due to all the Russian cash financing the Trump Org in the 2000s (see Don Jr's statements in 2008 and Eric's in 2014).

If you think I sound insane, I suggest you read the article.

I saw that earlier. It is a little conspiratorial, but my view on Trump + Russia has always been that even if 25% of it is true, it’s still terrible.

But even if it is as bad as it could be, I don't know how congress sells it to the American people while Fox News exists.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
July 09 2018 23:25 GMT
#8664
Not that I'm a fan of the modern Democratic party but... You do realize that Dems used to be the more conservative party right? And that the Republican party started off as the progressive one? Not that they were any less brutal towards Native Americans. Do you think Trump chose Andrew Jackson's portrait because he was a commie Dem? :D


One of my favorite progressives was our beloved tree-hugging environmentalist Republican governor Tom McCall. He is the reason our entire coast is open to and owned by the public, as well as many other important legacies.


As to other parts of that rant, the Constitution does not actually say that any idiot should own a gun... unless you consider yourself a one-man militia. What the Constitution does say, in Article one section eight, is mandates Congress to mint and tax for the welfare of the people. Doesn't this make the Norquist pledge unconstitutional?

Abstinence-only does not work, and is unnatural and unhealthy.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 09 2018 23:35 GMT
#8665
As someone who studied a lot of US history, I love the people who show up online with the hot knowledge: “Did you know that the Democrats supported slavery?!?”

It is admitting they really know nothing about US history while also assuming everyone chronically uninformed.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-10 00:13:15
July 10 2018 00:10 GMT
#8666
Per NPR Trump has made his pick (shame, was hoping he'd pick the name out of a hat on stage).

Interesting to note that Kethledge and Hardimen are in DC while the other 2 are not. Obviously not dispositive, but I cant help but think Trump would prefer to have the judge there in person for a reveal...

Edit: actually not sure about Kavanaugh. Barrett def not in DC.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 10 2018 01:07 GMT
#8667
Kavanaugh it is.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 10 2018 01:09 GMT
#8668
Kavanaugh was the right pick and will absolutely be confirmed but I'm surprised he did it. His base doesn't like the Bush connections and the fact he is a creature of Washington through and through.

My guess is he picked Kavanaugh for 2 reasons. 1. He went to Yale (Trump is a prestige whore). 2. Kavanaugh is on the record saying he doesn't think the President can be investigated for civil or criminal issues. No doubt Trump loved that.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-10 01:15:22
July 10 2018 01:11 GMT
#8669
The guy who helped investigate the Clintons and then said The President shouldn't face criminal investigation really was a shoe in.

Edit: opening remarks praising Trumps respect for the judiciary. Just kiss the ring dude, so you can tell your children you were honest.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
July 10 2018 01:19 GMT
#8670
Yeah good call. I completely missed that aspect of it. I fully admit that I was being a bit spiteful with my vote, but was still fun trying to predict the unpredictable. :D
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 10 2018 01:34 GMT
#8671
Yeah, we will see. His dissent that an employer can deny birth control coverage to employees does not fill me with confidence. But this is what the conservatives have been dreaming about. So if Roe gets overturned, they can reap the fallout.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 10 2018 01:44 GMT
#8672
On July 10 2018 07:56 KR_4EVR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2018 06:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On July 10 2018 06:35 Mercy13 wrote:
For what it's worth, Barrett was my professor for Fed. Courts and as far as I could tell she never allowed her personal religious or political beliefs to impact her teaching. I'm sure her rulings would piss me off, but she seemed like a decent person which might be the best we can hope for these days.


That might explain why Trump's interview with her didn't go well. We'll see.


Absolutely ridiculous. The only criterion a S.C. judge needs is sole allegiance and adherence to the Constitution. The only possible other issue is Federal/court balance, but that issue passed the tipping point decades ago.

Now, the half of society that prefers to control others (kill babies, take others' guns away, scream "you are haters!") rather than exercise self control (like, abstinence, self-defense, helping people in natural disasters) irresponsibly elects Supreme Court justices who do NOT listen to the original meaning of the constitution. THAT and only THAT is the reason why we have a political issue in the Supreme court at all.

Oh. Did I mention Deomcrats were the main party to brutalize Native Americans, treat Black-skin-colored people as dirt, establish Jim crow laws, fight to return Jewish imigrants to Germany in WWII, steal land from Mexico, force sterilization on mentally disabled people, and profit from modernized inner-city plantations?

But they just blame it on others. Their memory is too short.

Oh and BTW it was Democrats who opposed the first Black man to be an the Supreme Court.
And it was Democrtats who changed the election of judges from 3/5 to 1/2 majority.

Oh. But , like, "LOVE WINS", right? No. Such 'love' is worthless and will be deemed at the end of time as such.

That's why it is written, "You decorate the graves of the prophets and say, 'If we had lived in those days, we wouldn't have done THAT!'. Therefore this generation will be guilty of it all."

Go ahead and mourn slavery while profiting from cheap illegal immigrant labour. Go ahead and mourn the plight of women while you empower countires to kill their unborn daughters. And go ahead and think that you're so righteous while you do it all, just because you are angry.

Oh. I forgot to mention. It was leftist media that covered up the reality of mass starvation in the early days of communist Russia. But look at them today? They aren't even loyal to foreign countires anymore!

The only people opposing Barrett are 1) people who have someone better in mind and 2) idiots who hate her for no other reason than the her Catholic faith persuation.

Go ahead and believe in the "salvation" that will never come. Humans are so virtuous their cause is so 'just'. Or maybe, wake up and realize that there are only two parties in the USA. The party of selfishness (GOP) and the party of pure evil (DRC).

can you backup most of this nonsense? (including from the obvious counterpoints like rep/dem switched sides awhile ago which one was nicer, which makes many of your anti-dem points moot as they were prior to the switch)

also you got the party of pure evil wrong; tha'td be the gop. as all the actual facts show; like the recent debacle with kids in cages. not sure how you missed that one when the evidence is so overwhelming.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
July 10 2018 01:56 GMT
#8673
On July 10 2018 10:44 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2018 07:56 KR_4EVR wrote:
On July 10 2018 06:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On July 10 2018 06:35 Mercy13 wrote:
For what it's worth, Barrett was my professor for Fed. Courts and as far as I could tell she never allowed her personal religious or political beliefs to impact her teaching. I'm sure her rulings would piss me off, but she seemed like a decent person which might be the best we can hope for these days.


That might explain why Trump's interview with her didn't go well. We'll see.


Absolutely ridiculous. The only criterion a S.C. judge needs is sole allegiance and adherence to the Constitution. The only possible other issue is Federal/court balance, but that issue passed the tipping point decades ago.

Now, the half of society that prefers to control others (kill babies, take others' guns away, scream "you are haters!") rather than exercise self control (like, abstinence, self-defense, helping people in natural disasters) irresponsibly elects Supreme Court justices who do NOT listen to the original meaning of the constitution. THAT and only THAT is the reason why we have a political issue in the Supreme court at all.

Oh. Did I mention Deomcrats were the main party to brutalize Native Americans, treat Black-skin-colored people as dirt, establish Jim crow laws, fight to return Jewish imigrants to Germany in WWII, steal land from Mexico, force sterilization on mentally disabled people, and profit from modernized inner-city plantations?

But they just blame it on others. Their memory is too short.

Oh and BTW it was Democrats who opposed the first Black man to be an the Supreme Court.
And it was Democrtats who changed the election of judges from 3/5 to 1/2 majority.

Oh. But , like, "LOVE WINS", right? No. Such 'love' is worthless and will be deemed at the end of time as such.

That's why it is written, "You decorate the graves of the prophets and say, 'If we had lived in those days, we wouldn't have done THAT!'. Therefore this generation will be guilty of it all."

Go ahead and mourn slavery while profiting from cheap illegal immigrant labour. Go ahead and mourn the plight of women while you empower countires to kill their unborn daughters. And go ahead and think that you're so righteous while you do it all, just because you are angry.

Oh. I forgot to mention. It was leftist media that covered up the reality of mass starvation in the early days of communist Russia. But look at them today? They aren't even loyal to foreign countires anymore!

The only people opposing Barrett are 1) people who have someone better in mind and 2) idiots who hate her for no other reason than the her Catholic faith persuation.

Go ahead and believe in the "salvation" that will never come. Humans are so virtuous their cause is so 'just'. Or maybe, wake up and realize that there are only two parties in the USA. The party of selfishness (GOP) and the party of pure evil (DRC).

can you backup most of this nonsense? (including from the obvious counterpoints like rep/dem switched sides awhile ago which one was nicer, which makes many of your anti-dem points moot as they were prior to the switch)

also you got the party of pure evil wrong; tha'td be the gop. as all the actual facts show; like the recent debacle with kids in cages. not sure how you missed that one when the evidence is so overwhelming.


Don't you see? It was really the fault of the democrats for not having enough people in office to be able to stop the republicans from being evil!
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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
July 10 2018 02:05 GMT
#8674
On July 10 2018 08:21 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2018 08:12 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

Anyone seen this piece by Jonathan Chait? There's nothing really new in it per se, but Chait does a good job of simply recording a lot of important little details about Trump's history all in the same article.

The "conspiratorial pessimistic outlook" presented in the article sums up my view of the whole matter fairly well. Namely, Trump is Russia's man through and through and has been since 1987. This doesn't mean all his actions since 1987 were taken specifically at the behest of the Kremlin, just that ever since 1987 the Kremlin viewed Trump as a useful person of influence in the USA whom they had leverage over. Also, their leverage over him seems to have increased considerably since 1987 due to all the Russian cash financing the Trump Org in the 2000s (see Don Jr's statements in 2008 and Eric's in 2014).

If you think I sound insane, I suggest you read the article.

I saw that earlier. It is a little conspiratorial, but my view on Trump + Russia has always been that even if 25% of it is true, it’s still terrible.

But even if it is as bad as it could be, I don't know how congress sells it to the American people while Fox News exists.

Of course it is conspiratorial. The entire hypothesis is that Team Trump and the Russians were involved since 1987 in a clandestine relationship, culminating in a conspiracy in 2016 to sway the election in Trump's favor as much as possible. I don't think the Russians or Trump actually expected to win, though. I think they expected Trump to lose, scream the election was rigged, and start Trump TV in 2017. Trump could then become the apotheosis of Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Michael Savage, and be the new kingmaker of the Republican Party. The FBI under Clinton would investigate and discover the Russians' full plot, but Trump would avoid actual prosecution by DOJ for his conspiracy with the Russians because it would be a political death sentence for Clinton to launch an investigation into her just-vanquished Presidential opponent. Then Trump won and tried to end the FBI investigation into his actions in the most ham-handed fashion imaginable. Cue Robert Mueller.

John Brennan, James Clapper, and Michael Hayden have all talked about Trump in ways that I never imagined former CIA directors / a former NSA director / a former DNI talking about a US President. I mean, Brennan, who was the head of the CIA for the entire 2016 election cycle right up to Trump's inauguration, says stuff about Trump like:

1. When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history.

2. Your fear of exposure is palpable. Your desperation even more so.

3. You are to governance & politics what Bernie Madoff was to the stock market & investment advice. The two of you share a remarkably unethical ability to deceive & manipulate others, building Ponzi schemes to aggrandize yourselves. Truth & justice ultimately caught up with Bernie.

4. Frequently, people who go along a treasonous path do not know they are on a treasonous path until it is too late.

If this were any other administration, comments like that from the guy who just stepped down from running the CIA, during a huge active investigation into a conspiracy between Team Trump and the Russian government, would be national news stories in and of themselves. Instead, no one is even seeming to pay attention to this.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4682 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-10 02:22:50
July 10 2018 02:06 GMT
#8675
Ed Whelan at NR has a post with a quick summary from a conservative who very much likes Kavanaugh, Within his posts are links to other posts of his where he goes into more detail, if you'd like. i posted the whole thing cause it's kind of short and just doing the intro doesn't have any substance.

Congratulations to President Trump on his decision to nominate D.C. Circuit judge Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. I very much look forward to Justice Kavanaugh.

Judge Kavanaugh, 53 years old, has compiled an outstanding record during his twelve years on the federal court of appeals in D.C. On what is commonly regarded as the second-most-important court in the country, he has confronted a vast array of consequential constitutional and statutory issues and has written strong, influential opinions. His positions in numerous dissents were later adopted by Supreme Court majorities.

Judge Kavanaugh has been selected to fill the seat of retiring Justice Anthony Kennedy, for whom he clerked — along with Neil Gorsuch — 25 years ago. A graduate of Yale College and Yale Law School, Kavanaugh has dedicated his career to public service. He worked for several years in the Office of Independent Counsel under Ken Starr and then for five years in the White House of President George W. Bush, first in the White House counsel’s office and then in the role of staff secretary. During an interlude in private practice, he headed the Federalist Society’s Religious Liberties Practice Group and wrote two pro bono Supreme Court amicus briefs in support of the cause of religious liberty.

Kavanaugh is a lector at his Catholic parish, where he also coaches his daughters’ CYO basketball teams. He also volunteers with Catholic charities and teaches and mentors in local schools. He is as fit off the court as he is on it: The former captain of his high-school basketball team runs regularly and has won his court’s annual 5-K five times.

Here is an introduction to Kavanaugh’s judicial record:

Taming the administrative state. The D.C. Circuit has a particularly heavy caseload in the field of administrative law, and Judge Kavanaugh has won high marks for restraining the administrative state within legal bounds.

Kavanaugh is a strong critic of the Chevron principle of deference to administrative agencies — both of the foundation of that principle and of the manner in which it is often exercised. He has earned acclaim for “cabining” the Chevron doctrine by helping to develop an exception to it for “major questions” of policy.

In one of his early dissents, Kavanaugh argued that limitations on the president’s ability to remove the members of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board violated the president’s executive authority. Invoking the principles of originalism advocated by Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas, Kavanaugh emphasized that “the constitutional text and the original understanding . . . are essential to proper interpretation of our enduring Constitution.” Two years later, when the Supreme Court embraced Kavanaugh’s dissent, Scalia and Thomas were part of the five-justice majority.

In a dissent earlier this year, Kavanaugh found the structure of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (a creation of the Dodd-Frank Act of 2010) to be unconstitutional. The concentration of power in, and the resulting threat to liberty from, so-called independent agencies within the executive branch — independent, that is, of the supervision and control of the president — have been tolerated because such agencies “divide and disperse power across multiple commissioners or board members.” But, Kavanaugh determined, the CFPB poses an unprecedented threat, as it is headed by a single unaccountable individual.

Enforcing the Second Amendment. Kavanaugh argued (in dissent) that the District of Columbia’s ban on possession of most semi-automatic weapons and its registration requirement for all guns violated the Second Amendment.

Protecting religious liberty. Kavanaugh argued (in Priests for Life v. HHS, again in dissent) that the HHS contraceptive mandate violated the religious-liberty rights of objecting religious organizations. He also rejected an Establishment Clause challenge to the prayers at the presidential inauguration and to the inclusion of “so help me God” in the official presidential oath.

Safeguarding free speech. On campaign-finance restrictions, a liberal academic who broadly supports such restrictions bemoans that “the only question is whether [Kavanaugh would] be more like Justice Scalia (voting to strike down more and more campaign limits) or like Justice Thomas (voting to do that AND strike down campaign finance disclosure laws).”

Ruling for the American worker.
In dissents in immigration-related cases, Kavanaugh has opined that illegal-immigrant workers are not entitled to vote in union elections and that “mere economic expediency does not authorize an employer to displace American workers for foreign workers.” He has also recognized the government’s interest in “supporting American farmers and ranchers against their foreign competitors.”

Ruling against a radical abortion claim. In his one foray into the abortion arena, in a very contentious recent case involving a pregnant unaccompanied-alien minor being held in HHS custody, Kavanaugh objected to his court’s grant of relief to the minor. In his dissent, he complained that the majority concocted “a constitutional principle as novel as it is wrong: a new right for unlawful immigrant minors in U.S. Government detention to obtain immediate abortion on demand.” The majority’s decision, he said, “represents a radical extension of the Supreme Court’s abortion jurisprudence.” (Kavanaugh has also received criticism from some pro-life quarters for his opinion; as I have explained, I believe that criticism to be unwarranted.)


https://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/brett-kavanaugh-trump-supreme-court-nominee/

Conservative reaction leading up to this has been less than 100% in favor as it was for Gorsuch, but I think they'll come around, espeically when the left starts really kicking it into gear. Let me assure you that the tweets below are only half trolling. For some reason this time around there was a lot of background jockeying and for a moment it went from "all these people on the list are really good" to "he should pick X or he's going to lose support!" Which was weird, and I think more a result of being so invested. Those people will come around.

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edit: for the sake of being factual, I'm also not sure it's true that Kavanaugh thinks the president can't be indicted. Haven't looked into it, but reports are... conflicting.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-10 02:23:11
July 10 2018 02:20 GMT
#8676
@a_flayer

And it’s all related to the steeped-in-creepy-history transatlantic relationship between the United States and Europe. And not to mention NATO in modern times. Here’s what I think of NATO in the language of the intelligentsia which might appease your "he's a Russian propagandist!" sensibilities:

SEOUL, South Korea—A top adviser to South Korea’s president says he would eventually like to see the U.S.–South Korea alliance end. In language that sounded almost Trump-like, Chung In Moon, a special adviser to President Moon Jae In for foreign affairs and national security, said in an interview that alliances in general are a “very unnatural state of international relations” and said that, “for me, the best thing is to really get rid of alliance.”
There you go. "Alliances in general are a very unnatural state of international relations." Isn't that the fucking truth of it.

--omitted for brevity--

Meanwhile, I saw this excellent coverage on the Poor People's Campaign from RT America, where Americans in America covering American news are apparently quite literally labeled as Russian Foreign Agents:

There's got to be Soviet jokes about this kind of thing. Government law enforcement arresting people for protesting poverty, while government representatives are lying to the media about poverty and at the same time government intelligence agencies even accusing people who report on poverty of being foreign agents?

I’ve also noticed that a lot of the same people who show up on places like Democracy Now and Jimmy Dore (like I linked at the start) are literally the same people that show up as guests on RT America. Basically just socialist anti-empire activists that don't see the light of day on corporate media. Jimmy's been on RT, too. And that lady who was at Occupy. They're all part of the same circle of people fighting to get the socialist anti-empire message out, and now they're probably all tainted with the label "associate of Russian Foreign Agent" in some NSA/FBI database. It’s just a cruel joke.

Honestly, the only thing find wrong with RT America is the fact that apparently no American billionaires will help those American people broadcast their message so that they can be free of "Russian influence". For the pro-socialist anti-war anti-police state activists it's simply “different aims, different means, but common ground in between”.


Let me get this straight. You want to dismantle NATO and the US-Korea alliance. You want to close most or all overseas US military bases and have the US retreat back into pre-WWII isolationism. You detest "corporate media" but love RT, which is literal Russian propaganda openly financed by the Kremlin. Every single one of these views are 100% in line with Moscow's beliefs.

Yet you complain about people on this forum viewing you as a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda? Either you are the quintessential useful idiot or you are an actual paid troll.

PS: What is the "steeped-in-creepy-history transatlantic relationship between the United States and Europe. And not to mention NATO in modern times." Honestly haven't heard this line of attack before. Something about the slave trade of the 1700s and early 1800s I'm guessing? But that doesn't fit into your talk about modern times.... Do enlighten me.
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July 10 2018 02:27 GMT
#8677
“Distraught liberals” pretty much sums up conservative’s views on Americans that think bringing back coat hanger abortions is the wrong move for the country.
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screamingpalm
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United States1527 Posts
July 10 2018 02:30 GMT
#8678
Welp… time to see if Susan Collins can show some leadership and form a coalition.
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Plansix
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United States60190 Posts
July 10 2018 02:36 GMT
#8679
There are 5 red state democrats that could jump ship too. The Math is not with Democrats. Though McConnell was caught on CSPAN complaining that the Democrats were going to oppose this nominee. Like, literally the same thing he promised to do to Clinton.
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GreenHorizons
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United States22999 Posts
July 10 2018 02:37 GMT
#8680
On July 10 2018 11:36 Plansix wrote:
There are 5 red state democrats that could jump ship too. The Math is not with Democrats. Though McConnell was caught on CSPAN complaining that the Democrats were going to oppose this nominee. Like, literally the same thing he promised to do to Clinton.


Red state dems are probably more aptly called Republicans with a D next to their name.
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