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GreenHorizons
United States22682 Posts
On April 12 2023 23:35 Sermokala wrote: If he's convicted of a felony he cannot run for president. + Show Spoiler + If a republic wins the presidency he cannot pardon trump for state level crimes, that can only be done by the governor of New York. I don't know what you mean by refuse to go to trial but fleeing the county or going to Florida would be wild. Where did you get that idea? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21348 Posts
On April 12 2023 23:35 Sermokala wrote: Please point to the constitution where it says a convicted felon cannot be elected President.If he's convicted of a felony he cannot run for president. If a republic wins the presidency he cannot pardon trump for state level crimes, that can only be done by the governor of New York. I don't know what you mean by refuse to go to trial but fleeing the county or going to Florida would be wild. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2593 Posts
On April 11 2023 19:54 Acrofales wrote: So if you're in jail on state charges and get elected president, what happens? You can't pardon yourself, because state charges. The governor of that state could pardon you, but if he's not inclined to do so, what's next? The white house moves to jail? The answer is no one knows, because such a situation would be so unprecedented that no one would seriously consider it. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
On April 13 2023 18:29 gobbledydook wrote: The answer is no one knows, because such a situation would be so unprecedented that no one would seriously consider it. I'm 100% sure Trump is considering it. There isn't a rule against it but then again the US system is based on the expectation of good faith from its participants, like a lot of things the GOP are doing we just don't know. They thought that a violent insurrection at the capitol would overturn an election and somehow people would find it legitimate. I'm saying he cannot campaign or do any of the rallies or attend at debates while in prison. I just don't see how he could realistically run from prison, winning primaries and then somehow sustain a national campaign while sitting in a new york prison or as a fugitive in Florida. If a guy whos heading to court for rape, fraud, campaign finance violations, whatever is brewing federally and in Georgia, somehow wins I will get a Trump 2028 tattoo on my body | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22682 Posts
On April 13 2023 23:47 Sermokala wrote: I'm 100% sure Trump is considering it. There isn't a rule against it but then again the US system is based on the expectation of good faith from its participants, like a lot of things the GOP are doing we just don't know. They thought that a violent insurrection at the capitol would overturn an election and somehow people would find it legitimate. I'm saying he cannot campaign or do any of the rallies or attend at debates while in prison. I just don't see how he could realistically run from prison, winning primaries and then somehow sustain a national campaign while sitting in a new york prison or as a fugitive in Florida. Trump being convicted of felonies ≠ him going to jail/prison. Experts seem to agree that it's very unlikely he goes to prison even if he is convicted. Donald Trump's odds of getting locked up on his 'hush-money' indictment are slim to none, experts said. "I do not see a scenario where Donald Trump spends one minute in jail," one defense attorney told Insider. It's more possible Trump could face a fine, community service, or probation, experts said. www.businessinsider.com ____________________________________________________________________ Democrats trying to "temporarily replace" Feinstein is such a bizarre move when it's abundantly clear to everyone but her (and Biden) that she needed to retire long ago. I get the impression she asked for this like she announced her retirement, meaning her staff did it and she'd probably be surprised when she found out. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21348 Posts
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KwarK
United States41963 Posts
That said, won’t actually happen. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43775 Posts
On April 14 2023 01:45 KwarK wrote: Eh, security is the secret service’s problem. States aren’t required to make accommodations, secret service are required to work it out. That said, won’t actually happen. Yeah, I can't see Trump ever getting jail time, even if he was convicted of everything he's been indicted for. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6208 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9013 Posts
On April 13 2023 23:47 Sermokala wrote: I'm 100% sure Trump is considering it. There isn't a rule against it but then again the US system is based on the expectation of good faith from its participants, like a lot of things the GOP are doing we just don't know. They thought that a violent insurrection at the capitol would overturn an election and somehow people would find it legitimate. I'm saying he cannot campaign or do any of the rallies or attend at debates while in prison. I just don't see how he could realistically run from prison, winning primaries and then somehow sustain a national campaign while sitting in a new york prison or as a fugitive in Florida. If a guy whos heading to court for rape, fraud, campaign finance violations, whatever is brewing federally and in Georgia, somehow wins I will get a Trump 2028 tattoo on my body Don't tempt fate, these days I can imagine how the "for giggles" votes of having a president under house arrest could outweigh whatever traditional votes one would lose by not being able to rally. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15394 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11313 Posts
On April 14 2023 03:07 Lmui wrote: I'd settle for house arrest for the remainder of his life, in one location, no access to golf or social media. 24/7 access to a TV though so he can watch himself fade off the news. And as much fast food as he want to help with his slow-mo suicide. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15394 Posts
I gotta say, this seems like they've lost me here. This is going way too far. A Washington State bill that would strip parents' rights to intervene on their kids medical care in certain circumstances passed the House Wednesday, clearing its pathway to being signed by Gov. Jay Inslee. "An act relating to supporting youth," or Senate Bill 5599, allows host homes for runaway youth "to house youth without parental permission." Furthermore, the host homes do not need to notify parents about where their kids are or if they are getting medical interventions "if there is a compelling reason not to, which includes a youth seeking protected health services." The "protected health care services" included "gender-affirming care," which for minors arbitrarily included anything prescribed by a doctor to treat dysphoria, the bill said. "Gender affirming treatment can be prescribed to two-spirit, transgender, nonbinary, and other gender diverse individuals," the bill stated. https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-bill-allow-medical-transgender-interventions-minors-without-parental-consent In the list of "trans political issues", I think I am supportive of every single left wing perspective other than: trans athletes competing as their identity gender and under 18 medical procedures. I'm also a hard no on the whole "drag book reading" dog shit, but I don't consider that a trans thing. That's just a weird knee jerk reaction thing that gathered steam from twitter and I don't see it as something that will still be a thing in a year. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
I'm curious why you're a hard no on drag queen story hour but okay on most other things. I'm going to do an opposite of putting words in your mouth but I hear a lot about its just grooming and I'm interested in hearing a perspective against it that isn't insane. Especially after seeing deantis trying to create a pipeline to deliver the death penalty to drag queen story hour participants. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15394 Posts
On April 17 2023 09:23 Sermokala wrote: I mean yeah putting it at 18 years is, I think, a fair marker for when someone is legally allowed to make their own choices. I'm curious why you're a hard no on drag queen story hour but okay on most other things. I'm going to do an opposite of putting words in your mouth but I hear a lot about its just grooming and I'm interested in hearing a perspective against it that isn't insane. Especially after seeing deantis trying to create a pipeline to deliver the death penalty to drag queen story hour participants. I think its just a bizarrely intense over-reaction to the issue and isn't actually a good solution at all. I view "drag story hour" as the next "defund the police". Just another Democrat messaging train wreck that only alienates people without actually recruiting anyone. When I have pressed people for "please explain to me what you think this does because this sounds amazingly stupid", they have basically said that building compassion for non-binary folks at a young age is very important. Allowing kids to have an opportunity to have a personal experience with drag queens allows the kids to empathize with and humanize the general group of "non-typical sexual people". Many young people are already extremely firmly socially progressive and this dynamic is taking an even sharper turn with Zoomers, largely motivated by trans/gay rights. Many Zoomers are taking a hard line stance on all things transgender and the conservative/progressive divide among millennials is way more intense with zoomers, even accounting for age. So which kids will be at these book readings? Do we expect it will be kids growing up with bigoted parents? Those are likely the only kids with any chance of having anti-trans views, generally speaking. I am making broad strokes here, but my point is that all the kids being brought to these shows were going to grow up deeply tolerant and supportive of minorities and LGBTQ people anyway. This is just a celebration of views that are already held and will 99.999% be held later. This is not outreach, this is not "big tent". This is not bringing anyone to our side and it is not changing anyone's minds. All this is, is what democrats are best at: alienating center folks with remarkably poor messaging and the worst possible culture war choices. This is just a knee jerk reaction to discrimination and prejudice. This is not furthering the cause or whatever. This is just hissing at conservatives. And I can say with confidence trans/drag/LGBTQ folks are exclusively harmed by the reactions to these events. No one is being disarmed from their prejudices from these things. But tons of folks are being radicalized and galvanized against trans/drag/LGBTQ over this ridiculous theater. In short: I view drag story time as an enormous net-negative to LGBTQ folks and progressive ideals as a whole. | ||
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KwarK
United States41963 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15394 Posts
On April 17 2023 10:11 KwarK wrote: Drag story time is essentially british panto, non sexual. It’s not that I see it as sexual or even a bad thing in a vacuum. It’s that it’s a remarkably terrible play from a national politics stand point. I view it as my allies making a remarkably terrible play and losing us the game because of it. | ||
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KwarK
United States41963 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15394 Posts
On April 17 2023 10:49 KwarK wrote: They'd just latch onto something else. That’s not what I’m focusing on or arguing. Are you saying you view drag story time as a net positive for the lives of LGBTQ people? Do you think it is an effective means of reducing hate and increasing empathy? | ||
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