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On June 01 2022 23:35 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2022 22:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 15:44 RvB wrote:
There's little he can do. Monetary policy is in the hands of the fed and while tighter fiscal policy would help reduce demand there's little political will in his party for that. Long term the best fix for high prices are high prices. Since it reduces demand and increases supply but that's not very useful in the short run. At least stop parroting this bullshit about how Biden can do nothing because the fed controls monetary policy. The president appoints the members of the fed. He reappointed Powell. If he didn't like the direction Powell was going he should have appointed someone else. There’s a difference between saying this is Biden’s fault (in part) and saying there is nothing he can do. You didn’t propose anything he can do. You pointed to his culpability, which is fair but different.
I can't make this more clear than this. Powell is awful and shouldn't have been reappointed. This whole defeatist bullshit attitude where our government isn't accountable for the people they put in charge needs to be nipped in the bud at every saying.
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On June 01 2022 23:16 NewSunshine wrote:
I'm reminded of how autism diagnoses began to increase steadily a while back, and the main explanation for it is we're just acknowledging it more, and actually giving the diagnosis to more cases that deserve it. Not that there's some wave of autism overtaking humanity. More people feel free to acknowledge who they are, more people feel safe to do so, and so there are more people identifying as LGBTQ. But yeah, leave it to a Republican to fear monger the issue, humanity's gonna go extinct because we're all queer now, etc. Etc.
It wouldn't be the worst way for humanity to go out if it were true. It would be kinda awesome, honestly.
Yeah, species death through massive eternal gay sex orgy sounds a lot more fun than the common nuclear armageddon plans.
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On June 01 2022 23:38 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2022 23:35 micronesia wrote:On June 01 2022 22:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 15:44 RvB wrote:
There's little he can do. Monetary policy is in the hands of the fed and while tighter fiscal policy would help reduce demand there's little political will in his party for that. Long term the best fix for high prices are high prices. Since it reduces demand and increases supply but that's not very useful in the short run. At least stop parroting this bullshit about how Biden can do nothing because the fed controls monetary policy. The president appoints the members of the fed. He reappointed Powell. If he didn't like the direction Powell was going he should have appointed someone else. There’s a difference between saying this is Biden’s fault (in part) and saying there is nothing he can do. You didn’t propose anything he can do. You pointed to his culpability, which is fair but different. I can't make this more clear than this. Powell is awful and shouldn't have been reappointed. This whole defeatist bullshit attitude where our government isn't accountable for the people they put in charge needs to be nipped in the bud at every saying.
Then who should he have appointed and what should he/she have done? Inflation was already high at that time and any proposed alternative was even more dovish. The fed clearly failed by treating inflation as transitory but considering we've just had a decade of stubbornly low inflation that's not too surprising.
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United States44286 Posts
I’m not wholly opposed to the idea that teenagers trying to conform to peer norms might try out different identities etc. That’s what they do, they’re experimenting with their freedom and they’re not sure who they are, they’re meant to go through various phases as they try to find what best fits them. But I feel that an otherwise straight teenage boy who thinks being LGBT is cool due to evil teachers and Disney and has been confused into thinking he may be gay still won’t enjoy sucking a dick. He might be really into theatre and pride rallies etc. but when you put a dick in his face he’ll work out that he’s actually not into that. And when confronted with a naked woman he’ll still be into that.
The idea that radical acceptance and tolerance is somehow tricking people into being gay just doesn’t make sense to me. It could all be very confusing right up until there’s a slab of man meat in your face but the confusion should clear up at that point.
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On June 01 2022 23:54 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2022 23:38 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 23:35 micronesia wrote:On June 01 2022 22:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 15:44 RvB wrote:
There's little he can do. Monetary policy is in the hands of the fed and while tighter fiscal policy would help reduce demand there's little political will in his party for that. Long term the best fix for high prices are high prices. Since it reduces demand and increases supply but that's not very useful in the short run. At least stop parroting this bullshit about how Biden can do nothing because the fed controls monetary policy. The president appoints the members of the fed. He reappointed Powell. If he didn't like the direction Powell was going he should have appointed someone else. There’s a difference between saying this is Biden’s fault (in part) and saying there is nothing he can do. You didn’t propose anything he can do. You pointed to his culpability, which is fair but different. I can't make this more clear than this. Powell is awful and shouldn't have been reappointed. This whole defeatist bullshit attitude where our government isn't accountable for the people they put in charge needs to be nipped in the bud at every saying. Then who should he have appointed and what should he/she have done? Inflation was already high at that time and any proposed alternative was even more dovish. The fed clearly failed by treating inflation as transitory but considering we've just had a decade of stubbornly low inflation that's not too surprising.
I don't need to solve world economics issues to point out that the guy printing money for the past ten years is the problem and him being reappointed is a direct failure of the president and senate that confirmed his nomination. If you recognize we have a problem, then doing the same thing is clearly the wrong choice.
I wouldn't even agree that we had a decade of stubbornly low inflation. Every time the rates were raised even before the pandemic it was decided that we couldn't let the market go down. It is a continuing active choice to prop up the market and failed businesses.
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On June 02 2022 00:13 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2022 23:54 RvB wrote:On June 01 2022 23:38 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 23:35 micronesia wrote:On June 01 2022 22:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 15:44 RvB wrote:
There's little he can do. Monetary policy is in the hands of the fed and while tighter fiscal policy would help reduce demand there's little political will in his party for that. Long term the best fix for high prices are high prices. Since it reduces demand and increases supply but that's not very useful in the short run. At least stop parroting this bullshit about how Biden can do nothing because the fed controls monetary policy. The president appoints the members of the fed. He reappointed Powell. If he didn't like the direction Powell was going he should have appointed someone else. There’s a difference between saying this is Biden’s fault (in part) and saying there is nothing he can do. You didn’t propose anything he can do. You pointed to his culpability, which is fair but different. I can't make this more clear than this. Powell is awful and shouldn't have been reappointed. This whole defeatist bullshit attitude where our government isn't accountable for the people they put in charge needs to be nipped in the bud at every saying. Then who should he have appointed and what should he/she have done? Inflation was already high at that time and any proposed alternative was even more dovish. The fed clearly failed by treating inflation as transitory but considering we've just had a decade of stubbornly low inflation that's not too surprising. I don't need to solve world economics issues to point out that the guy printing money for the past ten years is the problem and him being reappointed is a direct failure of the president and senate that confirmed his nomination. If you recognize we have a problem, then doing the same thing is clearly the wrong choice. I wouldn't even agree that we had a decade of stubbornly low inflation. Every time the rates were raised even before the pandemic it was decided that we couldn't let the market go down. It is a continuing active choice to prop up the market and failed businesses.
That's factually not true. Rates were rising before the pandemic and rates were only lowered in the pandemic for obvious reasons. Markets are taking a large hit right now and the Fed is still increasing rates.
Inflation being low is hardly up for debate. It has exceeded the feds target only 3 years since 2012.
The issue is that loose monetary policy was necessary pre pandemic because of low inflation. The pandemic was a large shock which changed this and the fed (and other central banks) did not recognize this in time. The mistake was not loose monetary policy before the pandemic but it was not tightening rapidly after reopening.
Edit: but I doubt any alternative to Powel would've dealt with it much better. Most of the central banks of developed countries thought inflation was transitory.
https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/reference-rates/effr
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On June 02 2022 00:47 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2022 00:13 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 23:54 RvB wrote:On June 01 2022 23:38 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 23:35 micronesia wrote:On June 01 2022 22:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 15:44 RvB wrote:
There's little he can do. Monetary policy is in the hands of the fed and while tighter fiscal policy would help reduce demand there's little political will in his party for that. Long term the best fix for high prices are high prices. Since it reduces demand and increases supply but that's not very useful in the short run. At least stop parroting this bullshit about how Biden can do nothing because the fed controls monetary policy. The president appoints the members of the fed. He reappointed Powell. If he didn't like the direction Powell was going he should have appointed someone else. There’s a difference between saying this is Biden’s fault (in part) and saying there is nothing he can do. You didn’t propose anything he can do. You pointed to his culpability, which is fair but different. I can't make this more clear than this. Powell is awful and shouldn't have been reappointed. This whole defeatist bullshit attitude where our government isn't accountable for the people they put in charge needs to be nipped in the bud at every saying. Then who should he have appointed and what should he/she have done? Inflation was already high at that time and any proposed alternative was even more dovish. The fed clearly failed by treating inflation as transitory but considering we've just had a decade of stubbornly low inflation that's not too surprising. I don't need to solve world economics issues to point out that the guy printing money for the past ten years is the problem and him being reappointed is a direct failure of the president and senate that confirmed his nomination. If you recognize we have a problem, then doing the same thing is clearly the wrong choice. I wouldn't even agree that we had a decade of stubbornly low inflation. Every time the rates were raised even before the pandemic it was decided that we couldn't let the market go down. It is a continuing active choice to prop up the market and failed businesses. That's factually not true. Rates were rising before the pandemic and rates were only lowered in the pandemic for obvious reasons. Markets are taking a large hit right now and the Fed is still increasing rates. Inflation being low is hardly up for debate. It has exceeded the feds target only 3 years since 2012. The issue is that loose monetary policy was necessary pre pandemic because of low inflation. The pandemic was a large shock which changed this and the fed (and other central banks) did not recognize this in time. The mistake was not loose monetary policy before the pandemic but it was not tightening rapidly after reopening. https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/reference-rates/effr
I'd attribute 'stubbornly low inflation' directly to the fed's policy of quantitative easing including in 2019 when Powell was chairman before the pandemic. Regardless you seem to understand that the fed has failed for the past decade. Do you understand that Powell has been chairman and part of the board of governors prior to that?
Your only point seems to be that we tried absolutely nothing so we shouldn't discuss this. The orthodox economic theory being wrong though out the world seems like the perfect opportunity to shake up that order rather than continue down the path we know is wrong.
On June 02 2022 00:47 RvB wrote:
Edit: but I doubt any alternative to Powel would've dealt with it much better. Most of the central banks of developed countries thought inflation was transitory.
I would agree that no one has the long term outlook to do something about the economic issues we currently face, but that doesn't do me any good.
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United States44286 Posts
On June 02 2022 00:58 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2022 00:47 RvB wrote:On June 02 2022 00:13 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 23:54 RvB wrote:On June 01 2022 23:38 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 23:35 micronesia wrote:On June 01 2022 22:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On June 01 2022 15:44 RvB wrote:
There's little he can do. Monetary policy is in the hands of the fed and while tighter fiscal policy would help reduce demand there's little political will in his party for that. Long term the best fix for high prices are high prices. Since it reduces demand and increases supply but that's not very useful in the short run. At least stop parroting this bullshit about how Biden can do nothing because the fed controls monetary policy. The president appoints the members of the fed. He reappointed Powell. If he didn't like the direction Powell was going he should have appointed someone else. There’s a difference between saying this is Biden’s fault (in part) and saying there is nothing he can do. You didn’t propose anything he can do. You pointed to his culpability, which is fair but different. I can't make this more clear than this. Powell is awful and shouldn't have been reappointed. This whole defeatist bullshit attitude where our government isn't accountable for the people they put in charge needs to be nipped in the bud at every saying. Then who should he have appointed and what should he/she have done? Inflation was already high at that time and any proposed alternative was even more dovish. The fed clearly failed by treating inflation as transitory but considering we've just had a decade of stubbornly low inflation that's not too surprising. I don't need to solve world economics issues to point out that the guy printing money for the past ten years is the problem and him being reappointed is a direct failure of the president and senate that confirmed his nomination. If you recognize we have a problem, then doing the same thing is clearly the wrong choice. I wouldn't even agree that we had a decade of stubbornly low inflation. Every time the rates were raised even before the pandemic it was decided that we couldn't let the market go down. It is a continuing active choice to prop up the market and failed businesses. That's factually not true. Rates were rising before the pandemic and rates were only lowered in the pandemic for obvious reasons. Markets are taking a large hit right now and the Fed is still increasing rates. Inflation being low is hardly up for debate. It has exceeded the feds target only 3 years since 2012. The issue is that loose monetary policy was necessary pre pandemic because of low inflation. The pandemic was a large shock which changed this and the fed (and other central banks) did not recognize this in time. The mistake was not loose monetary policy before the pandemic but it was not tightening rapidly after reopening. https://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/reference-rates/effr I'd attribute 'stubbornly low inflation' directly to the fed's policy of quantitative easing including in 2019 when Powell was chairman before the pandemic. Regardless you seem to understand that the fed has failed for the past decade. Do you understand that Powell has been chairman and part of the board of governors prior to that?
It was an issue that for the first few years of the Trump administration every time Powell tried to raise interest rates Trump would tweet calling him an idiot and a cuck. The non political nature of the office is undermined when the administration consistently vilified their Fed Chair for political reasons.
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On June 01 2022 23:57 KwarK wrote:
I’m not wholly opposed to the idea that teenagers trying to conform to peer norms might try out different identities etc. That’s what they do, they’re experimenting with their freedom and they’re not sure who they are, they’re meant to go through various phases as they try to find what best fits them. But I feel that an otherwise straight teenage boy who thinks being LGBT is cool due to evil teachers and Disney and has been confused into thinking he may be gay still won’t enjoy sucking a dick. He might be really into theatre and pride rallies etc. but when you put a dick in his face he’ll work out that he’s actually not into that. And when confronted with a naked woman he’ll still be into that.
The idea that radical acceptance and tolerance is somehow tricking people into being gay just doesn’t make sense to me. It could all be very confusing right up until there’s a slab of man meat in your face but the confusion should clear up at that point.
I mean I’ve sucked dick before but that was to pay bills, perhaps MTG should tackle poverty if she’s that concerned?*
The only instance I’ve read about where this could be the case is at the intersection of those on the autistic spectrum and various sexual identities, although more pronounced with gender identity than sexual orientation.
I’ll have to start a file, I’ve lost and failed to recover many of the (no doubt inaccurately remembered) studies and articles I’ve read over the years.
The central premise/data collected was that, depending on the position on the autism spectrum, self-assessed gender dysphoria was disproportionately high versus neurotypical folks.
One theory proffered as to why that might be is (100% broad brushing) is a tendency to definitive categorisation that people on the spectrum tend to do, gender and identity not necessarily being easy to pigeonhole and the dissonance that discrepancies cause.
Add to that peer pressure and the wider culture and yeah, it’s a plausible theory.
But yeah in a wider sense the idea that people are going to turn gay because of Disney is utter lunacy. We so far have only developed the technology to turn frogs into homosexuals, to the best of my knowledge.
I mean for literally thousands of years gay people have existed, in cultures where heterosexuality wasn’t so much pushed by wider society as much as it was ‘we will kill you if you aren’t’. If that didn’t work in turning gay folks straight how in the name of good fuck is celebrating Pride going to do the reverse?
*Have not actually performed fellatio for money.
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Interest rates went up just a smidge in 2018 up until it started causing a minor credit crisis around 2%, at which point the Fed did a panicked Ctrl-Z on everything and gave up on the idea. I guess that's technically "raising rates" but is utterly toothless relative to what actually needs to be done to tame inflation. Right now we're dealing with inflation of the "basket of everything that isn't inflationary" index on top of the existing "hidden" inflation of healthcare, housing, and assets in general, but the latter has been deeply inflationary for at least a decade. "Stubbornly low inflation" is a myth borne of economic magical thinking that provides cover for years and years of reckless inaction, and we may finally be at the point where we have to pay the price.
I do have to admit that Powell is somehow one of the more conservative and sane administrators out of the candidate pool for Fed chairman. Not that he's particularly good mind you, but it is true that everyone else was a whole lot worse.
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On June 01 2022 19:53 Velr wrote:
I also don't get it.
Americans act like this is an USA problem and therefore Biden is to blame, despite basically the entire World having the exact same issues.
I agree with you but also 2 years ago most people here were blaming Trump for the spread of a highly infectious respiratory virus despite the entire World having basically the exact same issue. What goes around comes around I guess.
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On June 02 2022 03:42 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2022 19:53 Velr wrote:
I also don't get it.
Americans act like this is an USA problem and therefore Biden is to blame, despite basically the entire World having the exact same issues. I agree with you but also 2 years ago most people here were blaming Trump for the spread of a highly infectious respiratory virus despite the entire World having basically the exact same issue. What goes around comes around I guess. People were blaming Trump for telling people it wasn't serious, for suggesting to drink bleach and actively working against the states trying to do something. Not for Covid existing.
Fighting Covid in the US would have been a whole lot easier without Trump pushing half the country into actively resisting health officials advice.
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On June 01 2022 23:40 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2022 23:16 NewSunshine wrote:
I'm reminded of how autism diagnoses began to increase steadily a while back, and the main explanation for it is we're just acknowledging it more, and actually giving the diagnosis to more cases that deserve it. Not that there's some wave of autism overtaking humanity. More people feel free to acknowledge who they are, more people feel safe to do so, and so there are more people identifying as LGBTQ. But yeah, leave it to a Republican to fear monger the issue, humanity's gonna go extinct because we're all queer now, etc. Etc.
It wouldn't be the worst way for humanity to go out if it were true. It would be kinda awesome, honestly. Yeah, species death through massive eternal gay sex orgy sounds a lot more fun than the common nuclear armageddon plans.
It's also really similar to what happens to the Eldar in the 40k universe so it has my stamp of approval.
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On June 02 2022 03:42 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2022 19:53 Velr wrote:
I also don't get it.
Americans act like this is an USA problem and therefore Biden is to blame, despite basically the entire World having the exact same issues. I agree with you but also 2 years ago most people here were blaming Trump for the spread of a highly infectious respiratory virus despite the entire World having basically the exact same issue. What goes around comes around I guess.
Were they? Is there a conservative dominated board in some corner of the internet where you’re contrarian to seemingly every position they take? Or not, as the case might be.
I’m as down as anyone for a skewering of people for hypocritical positions, helps us improve in evaluating our own inconsistencies. But you’re inventing positions basically nobody espoused.
Let’s say a raging inferno engulfed my house, the firefighters turn up and yeah I’m hoping they can salvage what’s left, but hey my house is more flammable than most. They obviously didn’t start this blaze so I’m not blaming them for that.
Even the most optimal possible response may not save my home, but if the first firefighter pulled down his trousers, took a giant dump on my front porch and proceeded to pour petrol over the flames I may question that response.
As per my tortuous analogy, in these quarters Trump was not blamed for Covid, nor was there any expectation it was a perfectly solveable problem, maybe outside of the very early doors where not a huge amount was really known.
And the board’s largely been pretty consistent with Biden and the current situation anyway, the world economy is not his fault, and he can’t fix it, but he could do better in mitigating the effects
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On June 02 2022 04:31 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2022 03:42 BlackJack wrote:On June 01 2022 19:53 Velr wrote:
I also don't get it.
Americans act like this is an USA problem and therefore Biden is to blame, despite basically the entire World having the exact same issues. I agree with you but also 2 years ago most people here were blaming Trump for the spread of a highly infectious respiratory virus despite the entire World having basically the exact same issue. What goes around comes around I guess. Were they? Is there a conservative dominated board in some corner of the internet where you’re contrarian to seemingly every position they take? Or not, as the case might be. I’m as down as anyone for a skewering of people for hypocritical positions, helps us improve in evaluating our own inconsistencies. But you’re inventing positions basically nobody espoused. Let’s say a raging inferno engulfed my house, the firefighters turn up and yeah I’m hoping they can salvage what’s left, but hey my house is more flammable than most. They obviously didn’t start this blaze so I’m not blaming them for that. Even the most optimal possible response may not save my home, but if the first firefighter pulled down his trousers, took a giant dump on my front porch and proceeded to pour petrol over the flames I may question that response. As per my tortuous analogy, in these quarters Trump was not blamed for Covid, nor was there any expectation it was a perfectly solveable problem, maybe outside of the very early doors where not a huge amount was really known. And the board’s largely been pretty consistent with Biden and the current situation anyway, the world economy is not his fault, and he can’t fix it, but he could do better in mitigating the effects
It's possible I'm misremembering to what degree people were "blaming" Trump for COVID. I think there's probably a similar proportionality to how much a President can mitigate the spread of a highly infectious virus and how much a President can mitigate the effect of a global economic downturn. That is to say, not a lot. But there's a lot more "it's out of his hands" excuses going around now than 2 years ago.
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On June 02 2022 05:47 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2022 04:31 WombaT wrote:On June 02 2022 03:42 BlackJack wrote:On June 01 2022 19:53 Velr wrote:
I also don't get it.
Americans act like this is an USA problem and therefore Biden is to blame, despite basically the entire World having the exact same issues. I agree with you but also 2 years ago most people here were blaming Trump for the spread of a highly infectious respiratory virus despite the entire World having basically the exact same issue. What goes around comes around I guess. Were they? Is there a conservative dominated board in some corner of the internet where you’re contrarian to seemingly every position they take? Or not, as the case might be. I’m as down as anyone for a skewering of people for hypocritical positions, helps us improve in evaluating our own inconsistencies. But you’re inventing positions basically nobody espoused. Let’s say a raging inferno engulfed my house, the firefighters turn up and yeah I’m hoping they can salvage what’s left, but hey my house is more flammable than most. They obviously didn’t start this blaze so I’m not blaming them for that. Even the most optimal possible response may not save my home, but if the first firefighter pulled down his trousers, took a giant dump on my front porch and proceeded to pour petrol over the flames I may question that response. As per my tortuous analogy, in these quarters Trump was not blamed for Covid, nor was there any expectation it was a perfectly solveable problem, maybe outside of the very early doors where not a huge amount was really known. And the board’s largely been pretty consistent with Biden and the current situation anyway, the world economy is not his fault, and he can’t fix it, but he could do better in mitigating the effects It's possible I'm misremembering to what degree people were "blaming" Trump for COVID. I think there's probably a similar proportionality to how much a President can mitigate the spread of a highly infectious virus and how much a President can mitigate the effect of a global economic downturn. That is to say, not a lot. But there's a lot more "it's out of his hands" excuses going around now than 2 years ago. A President can't wave his hand and stop the spread no.
But a President can certainly make things worse with his words. Do we need to remind you of all the stupid things Trump said that made idiots believe Covid wasn't real or serious and all the bullshit 'cures' he pushed?
Its ok to admit you brought up a stupid argument. But if you want to keep digging then by all means, go ahead. No one here is buying it tho.
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On June 02 2022 05:47 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2022 04:31 WombaT wrote:On June 02 2022 03:42 BlackJack wrote:On June 01 2022 19:53 Velr wrote:
I also don't get it.
Americans act like this is an USA problem and therefore Biden is to blame, despite basically the entire World having the exact same issues. I agree with you but also 2 years ago most people here were blaming Trump for the spread of a highly infectious respiratory virus despite the entire World having basically the exact same issue. What goes around comes around I guess. Were they? Is there a conservative dominated board in some corner of the internet where you’re contrarian to seemingly every position they take? Or not, as the case might be. I’m as down as anyone for a skewering of people for hypocritical positions, helps us improve in evaluating our own inconsistencies. But you’re inventing positions basically nobody espoused. Let’s say a raging inferno engulfed my house, the firefighters turn up and yeah I’m hoping they can salvage what’s left, but hey my house is more flammable than most. They obviously didn’t start this blaze so I’m not blaming them for that. Even the most optimal possible response may not save my home, but if the first firefighter pulled down his trousers, took a giant dump on my front porch and proceeded to pour petrol over the flames I may question that response. As per my tortuous analogy, in these quarters Trump was not blamed for Covid, nor was there any expectation it was a perfectly solveable problem, maybe outside of the very early doors where not a huge amount was really known. And the board’s largely been pretty consistent with Biden and the current situation anyway, the world economy is not his fault, and he can’t fix it, but he could do better in mitigating the effects It's possible I'm misremembering to what degree people were "blaming" Trump for COVID. I think there's probably a similar proportionality to how much a President can mitigate the spread of a highly infectious virus and how much a President can mitigate the effect of a global economic downturn. That is to say, not a lot. But there's a lot more "it's out of his hands" excuses going around now than 2 years ago.
He actively downplayed the virus in the beginning, and seemingly discouraged mask use. He also did it purely for selfish political gain. How can you equate the two at all? Had he not been such a jackass about masks maybe his supporters would have actually worn them.
Hes not responsible for Covid, but hes sure as hell responsible for politicizing a medical issue.
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On June 02 2022 05:54 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2022 05:47 BlackJack wrote:On June 02 2022 04:31 WombaT wrote:On June 02 2022 03:42 BlackJack wrote:On June 01 2022 19:53 Velr wrote:
I also don't get it.
Americans act like this is an USA problem and therefore Biden is to blame, despite basically the entire World having the exact same issues. I agree with you but also 2 years ago most people here were blaming Trump for the spread of a highly infectious respiratory virus despite the entire World having basically the exact same issue. What goes around comes around I guess. Were they? Is there a conservative dominated board in some corner of the internet where you’re contrarian to seemingly every position they take? Or not, as the case might be. I’m as down as anyone for a skewering of people for hypocritical positions, helps us improve in evaluating our own inconsistencies. But you’re inventing positions basically nobody espoused. Let’s say a raging inferno engulfed my house, the firefighters turn up and yeah I’m hoping they can salvage what’s left, but hey my house is more flammable than most. They obviously didn’t start this blaze so I’m not blaming them for that. Even the most optimal possible response may not save my home, but if the first firefighter pulled down his trousers, took a giant dump on my front porch and proceeded to pour petrol over the flames I may question that response. As per my tortuous analogy, in these quarters Trump was not blamed for Covid, nor was there any expectation it was a perfectly solveable problem, maybe outside of the very early doors where not a huge amount was really known. And the board’s largely been pretty consistent with Biden and the current situation anyway, the world economy is not his fault, and he can’t fix it, but he could do better in mitigating the effects It's possible I'm misremembering to what degree people were "blaming" Trump for COVID. I think there's probably a similar proportionality to how much a President can mitigate the spread of a highly infectious virus and how much a President can mitigate the effect of a global economic downturn. That is to say, not a lot. But there's a lot more "it's out of his hands" excuses going around now than 2 years ago. A President can't wave his hand and stop the spread no. But a President can certainly make things worse with his words. Do we need to remind you of all the stupid things Trump said that made idiots believe Covid wasn't real or serious and all the bullshit 'cures' he pushed? Its ok to admit you brought up a stupid argument. But if you want to keep digging then by all means, go ahead. No one here is buying it tho.
I suppose we could post for the 500th time about how Trump said you should drink bleach, or was it inject bleach? How many posts have their been about the fact that both Biden and Kamala Harris attempted to cast doubt on whether the vaccine would be safe and effective if it came out during Trump's presidency?
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