|
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting! NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.
Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread |
On June 02 2022 15:49 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2022 13:53 Sermokala wrote:
Also I don't get what the preformative "Brandon is a bad President" thing is trying to do. People didn't vote for Brandon because they liked him or thought he was going to do anything to make anything better. He was voted for because he was a boring old grandpa that could be trusted not to get us into a war and to not embaress us on a global stage. He has done those things.
I don't understand how anyone would decide to vote for republicans anymore than they would in 2020. Please name any reason why they would think that Republicans controlling the senate and house makes anything better? At most you want even less to happen at worst you think the don't say gay anti abortion and pro school shooting message is a good thing. I could see people voting republican because their life was better at least financially and economically under Trump. Not saying its Biden's fault, but the inflation/price hike response has been laughable. Also many people myself included did have a lot of hope for the country with a democratic president and a democratic congress. Maybe my expectations being higher than the bar of not Trump was a mistake.
I don't understand how people would forget that there was a plague that caused the problems.
I mean what do people expect to change when the people that refuse to let anything happen in Congress get more power to do nothing in Congress?
|
On June 03 2022 02:20 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2022 02:02 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 01:52 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 01:45 Vivax wrote:
I think Powell gets too much (dis)credit for what he does. I doubt he even had any choice at all with the amount of corporate pressure he had on him, which could be said for politicians in similar positions.
Considering that the US corporations which make up big data can probably blackmail anyone, it's not hard to think of who's pulling the strings.
It's not my intention to bash the US, but when you get Boris Johnson saying in speeches that at some point you won't even manage to hide your thoughts from google and the whole Snowden intrigue, the conclusion that big data is the most powerful player in the western hemisphere is not far off. This is a good reason for him to have lots of credit for being shit though. Succumbing to pressure from corporations should not be some sort of "oh well he can't help it!" sort of action. Being weak and/or corrupt is not something that should just be okay. Ideally it shouldn't, but when you got so many powerful entities controlling the entire information to the point of being able to fabricate it, they can compromise the entire political caste and their own owners lol. On top of it they are de facto monopolies. Try finding a country that runs exclusively open source free stuff. So because other places are shitty we should accept being shit?
Nothing of the sort. You'd have to take the information monopoly from tech giants and set up something decentralized that truly safeguards privacy, but your gov wouldn't want that for obvious reasons, which officially are always for your own security.
So they just work together unless one of them goes rebel mode.
And in other words, the only ones who could do anything about the issues in your country would be the military. Which they would have done if it was worth it, I guess? So the impasse will continue until worst case there's war at home or war abroad.
|
On June 03 2022 02:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2022 02:20 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 02:02 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 01:52 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 01:45 Vivax wrote:
I think Powell gets too much (dis)credit for what he does. I doubt he even had any choice at all with the amount of corporate pressure he had on him, which could be said for politicians in similar positions.
Considering that the US corporations which make up big data can probably blackmail anyone, it's not hard to think of who's pulling the strings.
It's not my intention to bash the US, but when you get Boris Johnson saying in speeches that at some point you won't even manage to hide your thoughts from google and the whole Snowden intrigue, the conclusion that big data is the most powerful player in the western hemisphere is not far off. This is a good reason for him to have lots of credit for being shit though. Succumbing to pressure from corporations should not be some sort of "oh well he can't help it!" sort of action. Being weak and/or corrupt is not something that should just be okay. Ideally it shouldn't, but when you got so many powerful entities controlling the entire information to the point of being able to fabricate it, they can compromise the entire political caste and their own owners lol. On top of it they are de facto monopolies. Try finding a country that runs exclusively open source free stuff. So because other places are shitty we should accept being shit? Nothing of the sort. You'd have to take the information monopoly from tech giants and set up something decentralized that truly safeguards privacy, but your gov wouldn't want that for obvious reasons, which officially are always for your own security. So they just work together unless one of them goes rebel mode. And in other words, the only ones who could do anything about the issues in your country would be the military. Which they would have done if it was worth it, I guess? So the impasse will continue until worst case there's war at home or war abroad.
Absolving the corrupt from responsibility for being corrupt is silly, we shouldnt accept that because corruption is normalized that we should just accept corruption as being okay. Being beholden to corporate interests is a choice, people who make that choice should feel consequences for it, not get the benefit of the doubt as though they had no power in the situation. The government could be plenty good and functional if the people who ran it weren't a batch of corrupt and feckless scumbags.
|
On June 03 2022 02:37 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2022 02:33 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 02:20 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 02:02 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 01:52 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 01:45 Vivax wrote:
I think Powell gets too much (dis)credit for what he does. I doubt he even had any choice at all with the amount of corporate pressure he had on him, which could be said for politicians in similar positions.
Considering that the US corporations which make up big data can probably blackmail anyone, it's not hard to think of who's pulling the strings.
It's not my intention to bash the US, but when you get Boris Johnson saying in speeches that at some point you won't even manage to hide your thoughts from google and the whole Snowden intrigue, the conclusion that big data is the most powerful player in the western hemisphere is not far off. This is a good reason for him to have lots of credit for being shit though. Succumbing to pressure from corporations should not be some sort of "oh well he can't help it!" sort of action. Being weak and/or corrupt is not something that should just be okay. Ideally it shouldn't, but when you got so many powerful entities controlling the entire information to the point of being able to fabricate it, they can compromise the entire political caste and their own owners lol. On top of it they are de facto monopolies. Try finding a country that runs exclusively open source free stuff. So because other places are shitty we should accept being shit? Nothing of the sort. You'd have to take the information monopoly from tech giants and set up something decentralized that truly safeguards privacy, but your gov wouldn't want that for obvious reasons, which officially are always for your own security. So they just work together unless one of them goes rebel mode. And in other words, the only ones who could do anything about the issues in your country would be the military. Which they would have done if it was worth it, I guess? So the impasse will continue until worst case there's war at home or war abroad. Absolving the corrupt from responsibility for being corrupt is silly, we shouldnt accept that because corruption is normalized that we should just accept corruption as being okay. Being beholden to corporate interests is a choice, people who make that choice should feel consequences for it, not get the benefit of the doubt as though they had no power in the situation. The government could be plenty good and functional if the people who ran it weren't a batch of corrupt and feckless scumbags.
Well your idealism is up against a whole establishment of pragmatist institutions, so I hope you're a good orator with no concern for your reputation or security lol.
Or as someone used to say, behind every cynic there's a disappointed idealist.
|
On June 03 2022 02:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2022 02:37 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 02:33 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 02:20 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 02:02 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 01:52 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 01:45 Vivax wrote:
I think Powell gets too much (dis)credit for what he does. I doubt he even had any choice at all with the amount of corporate pressure he had on him, which could be said for politicians in similar positions.
Considering that the US corporations which make up big data can probably blackmail anyone, it's not hard to think of who's pulling the strings.
It's not my intention to bash the US, but when you get Boris Johnson saying in speeches that at some point you won't even manage to hide your thoughts from google and the whole Snowden intrigue, the conclusion that big data is the most powerful player in the western hemisphere is not far off. This is a good reason for him to have lots of credit for being shit though. Succumbing to pressure from corporations should not be some sort of "oh well he can't help it!" sort of action. Being weak and/or corrupt is not something that should just be okay. Ideally it shouldn't, but when you got so many powerful entities controlling the entire information to the point of being able to fabricate it, they can compromise the entire political caste and their own owners lol. On top of it they are de facto monopolies. Try finding a country that runs exclusively open source free stuff. So because other places are shitty we should accept being shit? Nothing of the sort. You'd have to take the information monopoly from tech giants and set up something decentralized that truly safeguards privacy, but your gov wouldn't want that for obvious reasons, which officially are always for your own security. So they just work together unless one of them goes rebel mode. And in other words, the only ones who could do anything about the issues in your country would be the military. Which they would have done if it was worth it, I guess? So the impasse will continue until worst case there's war at home or war abroad. Absolving the corrupt from responsibility for being corrupt is silly, we shouldnt accept that because corruption is normalized that we should just accept corruption as being okay. Being beholden to corporate interests is a choice, people who make that choice should feel consequences for it, not get the benefit of the doubt as though they had no power in the situation. The government could be plenty good and functional if the people who ran it weren't a batch of corrupt and feckless scumbags. Well your idealism is up against a whole establishment of pragmatist institutions, so I hope you're a good orator with no concern for your reputation or security lol. Or as someone used to say, behind every cynic there's a disappointed idealist.
Shit like this is why the world goes to shit. People give up on the idea of accountability, the idea of responsibility, the idea that the world can be any better and that anyone has the power to do better.
|
On June 03 2022 02:44 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2022 02:41 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 02:37 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 02:33 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 02:20 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 02:02 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 01:52 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 01:45 Vivax wrote:
I think Powell gets too much (dis)credit for what he does. I doubt he even had any choice at all with the amount of corporate pressure he had on him, which could be said for politicians in similar positions.
Considering that the US corporations which make up big data can probably blackmail anyone, it's not hard to think of who's pulling the strings.
It's not my intention to bash the US, but when you get Boris Johnson saying in speeches that at some point you won't even manage to hide your thoughts from google and the whole Snowden intrigue, the conclusion that big data is the most powerful player in the western hemisphere is not far off. This is a good reason for him to have lots of credit for being shit though. Succumbing to pressure from corporations should not be some sort of "oh well he can't help it!" sort of action. Being weak and/or corrupt is not something that should just be okay. Ideally it shouldn't, but when you got so many powerful entities controlling the entire information to the point of being able to fabricate it, they can compromise the entire political caste and their own owners lol. On top of it they are de facto monopolies. Try finding a country that runs exclusively open source free stuff. So because other places are shitty we should accept being shit? Nothing of the sort. You'd have to take the information monopoly from tech giants and set up something decentralized that truly safeguards privacy, but your gov wouldn't want that for obvious reasons, which officially are always for your own security. So they just work together unless one of them goes rebel mode. And in other words, the only ones who could do anything about the issues in your country would be the military. Which they would have done if it was worth it, I guess? So the impasse will continue until worst case there's war at home or war abroad. Absolving the corrupt from responsibility for being corrupt is silly, we shouldnt accept that because corruption is normalized that we should just accept corruption as being okay. Being beholden to corporate interests is a choice, people who make that choice should feel consequences for it, not get the benefit of the doubt as though they had no power in the situation. The government could be plenty good and functional if the people who ran it weren't a batch of corrupt and feckless scumbags. Well your idealism is up against a whole establishment of pragmatist institutions, so I hope you're a good orator with no concern for your reputation or security lol. Or as someone used to say, behind every cynic there's a disappointed idealist. Shit like this is why the world goes to shit. People give up on the idea of accountability, the idea of responsibility, the idea that the world can be any better and that anyone has the power to do better.
This is why we need batman.
|
What we need is a citizenry, globally, that is willing to hold people in power accountable and not just in ways that let the people in power dictate what power we're allowed to have.
|
On June 03 2022 02:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2022 02:44 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 02:41 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 02:37 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 02:33 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 02:20 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 02:02 Vivax wrote:On June 03 2022 01:52 Zambrah wrote:On June 03 2022 01:45 Vivax wrote:
I think Powell gets too much (dis)credit for what he does. I doubt he even had any choice at all with the amount of corporate pressure he had on him, which could be said for politicians in similar positions.
Considering that the US corporations which make up big data can probably blackmail anyone, it's not hard to think of who's pulling the strings.
It's not my intention to bash the US, but when you get Boris Johnson saying in speeches that at some point you won't even manage to hide your thoughts from google and the whole Snowden intrigue, the conclusion that big data is the most powerful player in the western hemisphere is not far off. This is a good reason for him to have lots of credit for being shit though. Succumbing to pressure from corporations should not be some sort of "oh well he can't help it!" sort of action. Being weak and/or corrupt is not something that should just be okay. Ideally it shouldn't, but when you got so many powerful entities controlling the entire information to the point of being able to fabricate it, they can compromise the entire political caste and their own owners lol. On top of it they are de facto monopolies. Try finding a country that runs exclusively open source free stuff. So because other places are shitty we should accept being shit? Nothing of the sort. You'd have to take the information monopoly from tech giants and set up something decentralized that truly safeguards privacy, but your gov wouldn't want that for obvious reasons, which officially are always for your own security. So they just work together unless one of them goes rebel mode. And in other words, the only ones who could do anything about the issues in your country would be the military. Which they would have done if it was worth it, I guess? So the impasse will continue until worst case there's war at home or war abroad. Absolving the corrupt from responsibility for being corrupt is silly, we shouldnt accept that because corruption is normalized that we should just accept corruption as being okay. Being beholden to corporate interests is a choice, people who make that choice should feel consequences for it, not get the benefit of the doubt as though they had no power in the situation. The government could be plenty good and functional if the people who ran it weren't a batch of corrupt and feckless scumbags. Well your idealism is up against a whole establishment of pragmatist institutions, so I hope you're a good orator with no concern for your reputation or security lol. Or as someone used to say, behind every cynic there's a disappointed idealist. Shit like this is why the world goes to shit. People give up on the idea of accountability, the idea of responsibility, the idea that the world can be any better and that anyone has the power to do better. This is why we need batman.
I'd prefer Captain America.
|
|
|
|
|
Canada11369 Posts
Is he not being sarcastic? Because that sounds like sarcasm to me- even without seeing the original clip.
|
|
|
On June 05 2022 10:19 JimmiC wrote:Wow, Tucker saying Russia installed Trump as president. I thought there was no Russian interfernce. It is so very hard to keep up with the ever changing alternative facts, I much prefer the actual ones. Show nested quote +“So, back in February, you may remember that Joe Biden pledged to destroy the Russian economy. ‘Let’s make them poor,'” Carlson said, calling the president’s sanctions against Russia “counterproductive.” “Of course, this is in retaliation for installing Donald Trump as president.” https://ca.yahoo.com/news/tucker-carlson-accuses-biden-wanting-172632667.html
He's saying Biden thinks that.
|
On June 06 2022 03:04 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2022 10:19 JimmiC wrote:Wow, Tucker saying Russia installed Trump as president. I thought there was no Russian interfernce. It is so very hard to keep up with the ever changing alternative facts, I much prefer the actual ones. “So, back in February, you may remember that Joe Biden pledged to destroy the Russian economy. ‘Let’s make them poor,'” Carlson said, calling the president’s sanctions against Russia “counterproductive.” “Of course, this is in retaliation for installing Donald Trump as president.” https://ca.yahoo.com/news/tucker-carlson-accuses-biden-wanting-172632667.html He's saying Biden thinks that.
He could make that clear. But there's no standards on Fox News. Just fear, anger, and conspiracy theories. Imagine how hard you have to try to spin it, to take sanctions against Russia, something tons of others countries are also doing because of the invasion of Ukraine, and to try to paint it as "well obviously he's just out to get Trump". No, couldn't be because of their globally despised invasion of Ukraine. Everyone's out to get the poor Republicans.
They're just taking their modern M.O. of doing everything they can to hunt down their political opponents, and deflecting by accusing said opponents of exactly what they're doing. There's 0 good faith. And they would never let you take someone like Tucker out of context, because then we can't take a joke. It's all a joke until it isn't. Republicans play the victim at every turn.
|
|
|
Norway28706 Posts
It's mocking the idea that Russia elected Trump but also saying that Biden believes that Russia elected Trump and thus that Biden thinks they are deserving of payback. I don't understand how you can watch that and know anything about Tucker and think that Tucker thinks Russia elected Trump.
Tucker is sarcastic/joking a whole lot. This is what he does. I'm not gonna go watch some Tucker videos to make sure I quote him correctly, but paraphrasing him, he says stuff like 'of course, there are no genders anymore' or 'of course, being white is a sin', or 'of course, x parody portrayal of liberal opinion' all the time, this is part of his spiel, and this is no different. When he says 'of course, there are no genders anymore', he's not making that assertion himself, he's claiming that this is what liberals claim while mocking this claim.
|
|
|
Norway28706 Posts
He never has any tone of sarcasm. I've watched quite a bit of Tucker. I didn't say I didn't watch this video, I just didn't want to bother rewatching old Tucker videos to make sure I quoted him correctly when I just wanted to paraphrase him, and I wanted to make it clear that my 'of course, there are no genders now' wasn't necessarily a Tucker quote, but a Tucker paraphrase. He's not 'admitting' that Russia got Trump elected, he's claiming that the democrats (who believe this happened) are still resentful towards Russia because of this and that it still guides their policy towards Russia. Saying that Biden is genuinely concerned for the Ukrainian people would be giving Biden credit. Portraying him as vengeful towards Russia because of 2016 rather makes Biden looks pathetic. He doesn't have to himself believe that Russia elected Trump to present this argument.
You're free to interpret the video in whatever fashion you want, of course, but I don't understand how this is particularly inconsistent or hard to understand. It's Tucker being Tucker, attributing his opposition with nefarious intent in a somewhat nebulous manner.
|
|
|
I don't really keep track of what Tucker Carlson says, but if you want to declare that he is flipping his narratives maybe bring more evidence than a single sentence that everyone else easily interprets as sarcasm.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
