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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
On March 16 2022 04:21 JimmiC wrote: The Kremlin put out a document I sourced the other day to air more tucker carlson on their state TV channels. His only goal is to "pwn the libs" so his non stop attacks on everything anyone but Trump does is exactly what they want. Yeah. I don't think it's about him loving Russia for the sake of Russia, I think he HAS to be a contrarian so they dont unify into supporting the President. Since thats what the conservatives are really for, just hating everything and anything liberals stand for, even if it is something liberals agree with conservatives on. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/#:~:text=WASHINGTON, March 15 (Reuters),afternoons and more economic activity. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On March 16 2022 03:56 lestye wrote: China is not advocating or promoting Biden anywhere near Russia has gotten behind Gabbard. Tucker isn't a Russian asset because he says the US shouldn't join the war in Ukraine, but he is a Russian asset for the sum of all his other pro-Russian talking points. I don't think Chinese media has been promoting and praising Biden as much as Russia has been broadcasting Tucker. Like, if Tucker was being paid off by Russia starting today, nothing would change. That's how bad its gotten. Tucker and Gabbard's statements on Russia are independent and reasonable and in good faith. For example, Tucker had been talking about some biolabs in Ukraine, which I'd venture to say is a newsworthy subject during a hot war in Ukraine - there's no need to conflate Tuckers statements on the labs with Russian propaganda involving the labs. It is a tired old neocon talking point to say that a person is an asset of a US enemy, or is stating pro-US enemy talking points, just because they are willing to criticize the US and its leaders during a time of war. Back in 2003, Sadam could have put the US anti-war voices on Iraqi TV, and the neocons would have seized on it. Likewise, the neocons are seizing on Tucker & Tulsi today. But their critique is lacking in substance. | ||
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
It is the same schtick he's been using for years. And why do you think its done in good faith when Fox literally plead in Court that no reasonable person would take Tucker Carlson seriously. You can not want war with Iraq without being a cheerleader for Saddam Hussein. You can be critical of the United States and NATO without being a tool for Russian propaganda. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On March 16 2022 05:50 lestye wrote: Tuckers are absolutely not done in good faith. He brings on crazy conspiracy theorists in the name of "asking questions". It is the same schtick he's been using for years. And why do you think its done in good faith when Fox literally plead in Court that no reasonable person would take Tucker Carlson seriously. You can not want war with Iraq without being a cheerleader for Saddam Hussein. You can be critical of the United States and NATO without being a tool for Russian propaganda. The argument Tuckers lawyers made is more just a standard argument defending against a defamation lawsuit. The gist of the argument is that Tucker states opinion rather than fact. It was the judge that characterized that argument as "Tuckers lawyers are saying that Tucker can't be taken seriously." In any case, even if Tucker is not stating things in 100% good faith because he's a cable news pundit and that's what they do, that doesn't necessarily make it meaningful to call Tucker a Russian asset. The fact remains that tuckers statements are within the normal bounds of US partisan disagreement. As partisans in the US argue with each other, Russia might agree from time to time with one of the two sides. But it's still just ordinary US discourse, not actual support of Russia. Phrases like "Russian asset" are just a leftover of collusion hysteria. Democratic partisans added another arrow to their quiver, which is to call people Russian assets. The accusation carries little significance; If Tucker says "I wonder if the US should have had these biolabs in Ukraine," Tucker did nothing wrong by saying that, even if Russian state TV picks it up for some reason. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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lestye
United States4209 Posts
And it’s completely meaningful when tucker is doing a cheerleader for Putin and has been. If this was 1 particular conspiracy theory he believes in, then maybe I would see common ground. But that’s not the case, he’s going to lean onto any conspiracy theory because any common ground with liberals is a no-go. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On March 16 2022 04:58 lestye wrote: On a bright note (pun intended): https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/#:~:text=WASHINGTON, March 15 (Reuters),afternoons and more economic activity. I'm all for it, hate when it gets dark out by 5 in the winter. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1093 Posts
On March 16 2022 13:57 Nick_54 wrote: I'm all for it, hate when it gets dark out by 5 in the winter. Definitely a good move. I prefer daylight savings time, but would also happily stay on standard time. The problem is the change and I’ll be glad when we stop doing it. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On March 16 2022 13:57 Nick_54 wrote: I'm all for it, hate when it gets dark out by 5 in the winter. That sucks but it not being light out until 830-9am i think is worse. Its hard enough waking up in the dark as it is. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46174 Posts
On March 16 2022 19:43 Sadist wrote: That sucks but it not being light out until 830-9am i think is worse. Its hard enough waking up in the dark as it is. I get one week of morning sunlight, given how early I drive to work. It was last week. Then the dawn disappears because of Daylight Saving Time. Could have had a lot more light if we had stuck with Standard Time. Safer for children getting to school too. I guess the opposite effect (the positive, flip side) occurs for adults who drive home in the evenings. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On March 16 2022 20:19 farvacola wrote: Making standard time permanent is the far better option. Congress actually tried making DST permanent in the 70s and they had to roll it back shortly thereafter because kids were waiting for the bus/walking to school in complete darkness, and folks hated making morning commutes even more than they do under the other systems. Some will want Daylight time and some people will want Standard time. Maybe we can compromise to half an hour offset so everyone is unhappy. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27125 Posts
On March 16 2022 11:00 Doc.Rivers wrote: The argument Tuckers lawyers made is more just a standard argument defending against a defamation lawsuit. The gist of the argument is that Tucker states opinion rather than fact. It was the judge that characterized that argument as "Tuckers lawyers are saying that Tucker can't be taken seriously." In any case, even if Tucker is not stating things in 100% good faith because he's a cable news pundit and that's what they do, that doesn't necessarily make it meaningful to call Tucker a Russian asset. The fact remains that tuckers statements are within the normal bounds of US partisan disagreement. As partisans in the US argue with each other, Russia might agree from time to time with one of the two sides. But it's still just ordinary US discourse, not actual support of Russia. Phrases like "Russian asset" are just a leftover of collusion hysteria. Democratic partisans added another arrow to their quiver, which is to call people Russian assets. The accusation carries little significance; If Tucker says "I wonder if the US should have had these biolabs in Ukraine," Tucker did nothing wrong by saying that, even if Russian state TV picks it up for some reason. As per others yeah the accusation doesn’t have significance as people aren’t taking it seriously, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have legs. ‘Russia isn’t so bad folks’ isn’t to me a particularly seriously held position, it’s been adopted precisely due to collusion accusations. At least to the degree we’ve seen, I don’t think there’s another interpretation to quite the amount of devil’s advocacy we’ve seen in the past few years. Someone like Carlson seems to have two completely different lenses of analysis when it comes to if Russia, or say China has done something. Other folks have made huge judgement errors in taking RT’s shilling and not really questioning if there’s ulterior motives behind them being given a platform to say certain things. Why was Russian state media so happy for Nigel Farage to pop on about the EU being, or anyone with a ‘the left has gone too far!’ view. As has been said elsewhere, and indeed here, Russia has been poking money and effort in accentuating wedge issues in the West to push division that little bit further. And been quite successful in doing so. They’ve just hugely miscalculated quite how far along in that process they are and how easily those divides were shelved the second they invaded Ukraine. There’s a difference in occasionally aligning with someone else’s positions and relentlessly playing Devil’s advocate through an inconsistent application of your own supposed standards. Carlson, unlike others absolutely falls into that second camp, IMO. That said the language of ‘asset’ has certain connotations as per a relationship and intent, ‘useful idiot’ is probably more apt. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On March 16 2022 21:29 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Some will want Daylight time and some people will want Standard time. Maybe we can compromise to half an hour offset so everyone is unhappy. I like this logic. I'm in. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2924 Posts
...nearly a month after its launch, Truth Social has... had a botched rollout, a share price collapse and, in Trump, a figurehead who doesn’t actually post much to his own social media platform. so apparently Trump has only made one single post, or 'truth' as they call it. Very few other conservative big names have joined, with Sean Hannity being just about the only one active there. The missing major players appear to include the rightwing media figures Steve Bannon, Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson, as well as Trump’s sometime lawyer Rudy Giuliani. (There is a @RudyGiuliani account on TruthSocial, but it has just 35 followers and is unverified.) Does anyone on this forum have an account in it? I'm glad it's not working out, one thing we don't need is additionally echo chambers. | ||
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