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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Separate question, about student loan servicers, the companies the US government hires to manage student loan debt payments. I’ve had mine change twice since 2020, and I see that at least five of these companies have “made the decision not to extend our servicing contract” since the start of the pandemic. The reason of it becoming “increasingly difficult to meet government requirements” seemed reasonable for the first one (a smaller servicer that I could imagine being marginal), but it looks like a lot of the big ones (FedLoan, Navient) are also calling it quits with the same reason. The situation and stated reason don’t add up; feels like there’s something more significant going on but I’ve not yet heard an explanation that fits the situation. Anyone have any ideas what’s going on? | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands22104 Posts
On December 29 2021 03:51 LegalLord wrote: Really? you don't see why companies want out of the student loan business while they are paused and the chance the government makes chances keeps increasing the longer they are paused?Hillary Clinton would make for a better “future of the party” than Kamala Harris. Running Harris might be the most efficient way to ensure that Trump-or-successor wins by a landslide in ‘24. Hard to imagine someone worse, but evidently the Democratic Party is the last one to get the memo. Separate question, about student loan servicers, the companies the US government hires to manage student loan debt payments. I’ve had mine change twice since 2020, and I see that at least five of these companies have “made the decision not to extend our servicing contract” since the start of the pandemic. The reason of it becoming “increasingly difficult to meet government requirements” seemed reasonable for the first one (a smaller servicer that I could imagine being marginal), but it looks like a lot of the big ones (FedLoan, Navient) are also calling it quits with the same reason. The situation and stated reason don’t add up; feels like there’s something more significant going on but I’ve not yet heard an explanation that fits the situation. Anyone have any ideas what’s going on? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 29 2021 04:56 Gorsameth wrote: Really? you don't see why companies want out of the student loan business while they are paused and the chance the government makes chances keeps increasing the longer they are paused? They don’t own the loans, they just manage them: Link. If anything, a moratorium should mean that they get to sit on their ass for a couple years while not having to do much at all. The actual loans are owned by the government - at least mostly, though there’s a definite lack of transparency as to what happens to the rest. So yes, it’s unclear what about managing loans that someone else owns makes for a business that everyone wants out of. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On December 29 2021 03:28 JimmiC wrote: Were moving to a place where Trump is the Moderate Republican. He at least is pro vaccination. The out there Republicans now are full QaNon crazy (or at least playing that to the public). RE: operation warp speed Of course he's pro vaccination, it's something he worked to push into existence before his next run for office. I can't really stick up for qanon because it's dumb from start to finish, and as a conspiracy connoisseur it sucks to see the most dismissable ideas being brought to the public eye. Still funny though. Never stopped being funny. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On December 29 2021 05:09 LegalLord wrote: They don’t own the loans, they just manage them: Link. If anything, a moratorium should mean that they get to sit on their ass for a couple years while not having to do much at all. The actual loans are owned by the government - at least mostly, though there’s a definite lack of transparency as to what happens to the rest. So yes, it’s unclear what about managing loans that someone else owns makes for a business that everyone wants out of. Even if they did own the loans the US seems to be clearly pretty okay to just bailout companies anyways, lol. Im sure that they'd just bailout Navient, or what have you should there be any problems. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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KwarK
United States43614 Posts
On December 29 2021 11:26 plasmidghost wrote: I feel like an absolute moron for thinking Biden would be better than Trump. My entire family has Covid and we live in Texas, so we've been thrown to the wolves by Congress and him Trump literally tried to install himself as a dictator through a violent coup. People fucking died. At least you can vote Biden out. He is objectively better than Trump and you’d be an absolute moron if you thought otherwise. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On December 29 2021 10:58 JimmiC wrote: Was he? Because it was months and months after when he admitted he had been vaccinated and then again a long time after he got his booster and his own fans boo'd him because they were surprised to find out. And many of his media supporters are apoligizing for him about it. Publically and privately he had been asked to suoport it but refused. Yes he pushed it, and it had a cacthy name but it was not very well organized or funded pre biden. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_the_United_States And QaNon is not funny, a shocking number of americans believe part or all of it including 40 Republicans in office. Yeah, he downplayed it to his crowd, that's because he was trying to get re-elected. I honestly don't know of the logistics of getting the vaccines out during the Trump vs Biden times, so I'll take your word that Biden is being more efficient. I just found it relevant to point out that he sort of was a part of pushing through the vaccines that you see him supporting as a saving grace for him. And as far as Qanon goes, that's just a matter of perspective, man. You're telling me that a shocking number of Americans are dumb as shit, and 40 Republicans are playing to their audience? I can't help but be tickled a bit when someone remarks on how much of a problem it is. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On December 29 2021 11:26 plasmidghost wrote: I feel like an absolute moron for thinking Biden would be better than Trump. My entire family has Covid and we live in Texas, so we've been thrown to the wolves by Congress and him May I ask what you think Biden could have done to prevent your family from getting covid? | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On December 29 2021 11:32 KwarK wrote: Trump literally tried to install himself as a dictator through a violent coup. People fucking died. At least you can vote Biden out. He is objectively better than Trump and you’d be an absolute moron if you thought otherwise. Come on man, I'm stressed enough and don't feel like dealing with this bullshit. I thought it would be obvious that I meant the Covid response but I guess I should've specified that | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On December 29 2021 12:10 Mohdoo wrote: May I ask what you think Biden could have done to prevent your family from getting covid? We could've had an actual shutdown that the federal government issued to override the states. Tell people to stay home at least two weeks and give them financial support to do so to stymie the unbelievable amount of cases we have. Instead, literally nothing happened at the federal level | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On December 29 2021 10:58 JimmiC wrote: Was he? Because it was months and months after when he admitted he had been vaccinated and then again a long time after he got his booster and his own fans boo'd him because they were surprised to find out. And many of his media supporters are apoligizing for him about it. Publically and privately he had been asked to suoport it but refused. Yes he pushed it, and it had a cacthy name but it was not very well organized or funded pre biden. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_the_United_States And QaNon is not funny, a shocking number of americans believe part or all of it including 40 Republicans in office. Now that Trump is out of office, the press and others are willing to at least give him credit where it's due ("broken clock is right twice a day" type of thing). The facts show that trump has promoted the covid vaccine from the start. By any measure of what a president gets credit for, trump deserves credit for operation warp speed and the vaccines. (Which is funny because, prior to the 2020 election, dems and their allied media were united in expressing hesitancy towards any vaccine approved on an accelerated schedule during the trump admin. But that's politics - sometimes you've gotta express vaccine hesitancy during a global pandemic in order to defeat the other political party.) | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 29 2021 11:03 Zambrah wrote: Even if they did own the loans the US seems to be clearly pretty okay to just bailout companies anyways, lol. Im sure that they'd just bailout Navient, or what have you should there be any problems. They would, which makes this so strange. “The government has more requirements for student loan programs” sounds like grounds to ask for more money like you would in any other government contracts where they ask for more, not call it quits. So why walk away from an apparent no-lose scenario en masse? I’ve heard some of these companies dabble in private student loans and may own some portion of the speculative money train for that. That sounds at least like a real potential incentive. But it’s like these systems are deliberately obfuscated so that no one can really figure out how it works even if they try. There’s not exactly an easy paper trail to follow to, for example, figure out if Navient, FedLoan, and others have some funny money plays on the side that tell a story more convincing than “it’s just too hard to manage several student loan programs.” Unless anyone else has better insight than I, but so far it seems not. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On December 29 2021 11:37 JimmiC wrote: There is also only so mych the president can do given "state rights" and the dems barely hold the senate giving their most right members way more leverage. Good luck down there, I dont think many are interested in making the USA better. Just fighting and making headlines. I'm reminded of when the ACA was going through Congress and Dems had a supermajority but didn't add a public option because Lieberman didn't want it. It makes me think that there's never going to be any significant progress in America because less progressive Dems can stop it at any point while the GOP is now completely united with the exception of Liz Cheney and maybe Mitt Romney | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On December 29 2021 12:32 JimmiC wrote: Considering multiple lives have been directly lost due too it and all sorts of other damage. We have different senses of humor. Those reps "playing to their base" are making more people believe that shit and legitimize it. Great people the reps are to take advantage of tgeir own voters for personal gain while making the country worse. They are really shitty at public service. Indeed, as I said it's just perspective  Much like pointing out that the vaccine you put in your arm and encourage everyone else to take is kind of Trump's vax. It's a bit funny. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On December 29 2021 12:22 plasmidghost wrote: We could've had an actual shutdown that the federal government issued to override the states. Tell people to stay home at least two weeks and give them financial support to do so to stymie the unbelievable amount of cases we have. Instead, literally nothing happened at the federal level There have been vaccine mandates, and of course many legal challenges in response. And Congress passed a huge covid relief bill just this year. The federal government's power is not unlimited, I mean look at the bounties against abortion providers law in your state. That sucks that your family all has covid though, hopefully it won't be too severe. | ||
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