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On November 03 2021 11:06 Zambrah wrote:
Also I want to take a moment to appreciate that after Donald Trump happened and then the insurrection happened Republicans are still alive and thriving as a party and I find that to be just so wild, lol
The right wing propaganda factory that created Trump is still going. It’s like killing Hitler and leaving the rest of the Nazi infrastructure in place and then wondering why the Nazis are still so popular.
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I dont think right wing propaganda is going anywhere, so I suppose thats just the trajectory the country is gonna go down lol. Doesn't seem like theres any will/ability to stop it.
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It’s what happens when you build a country on “if it’s profitable then it’s probably socially positive and definitely legal”. From slavery to hooking half the population on non stop algorithm generated outrage porn, the religious adherence to unrestrained corporatism is constant. There is no distinction between morality and economic viability, the only sin is not to partake in consumption.
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This is generally what happens when your own option is an unenthusiastic leader of your party that has no pulling power in your party to get voters to turn up. The "At Least It's Not Trump" strategy is not a good look for Democrats, and they need to scramble to find something to unify the party around come midterms. This result could signal a huge red wave to come in 2022, maybe 3-4 lost Senate seats and countless House seats. I doubt Biden runs for re-election (or at least the best strategy is to primary him out with someone that Democrats can push hard and unify around).
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On November 03 2021 10:56 LegalLord wrote:
New Jersey governor race is surprisingly close for a state that was deep blue a year ago. Still probably a D win, albeit barely.
I'm impressed that the Republican is still ahead at 75% reporting in this race. It's probably going to flip, but not even the ~5% Dem margin I thought it would be.
Virginia looks pretty done at this point; they're talking about if it's time to call it or if it's worth holding out for the sliver of a theoretical chance of a reversal.
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New Jersey's gubernatorial race is looking a lot closer than anticipated. I don't think it will be a 2009 double wallop where Democrats lost both governor's mansions, but definitely a result they'll be chewing on with a lot of anxiety. When you can't cleanly secure a state you won +16 last year, let alone what happened in Virginia, I'd be troubled for the midterms even more. Admittedly NJ also has a pattern of electing a governor opposite to the party of the president in office and Murphy winning re-election would break a long-held precedent, but eking out a win like this wouldn't fill me with confidence.
Though there's some small consolation rewards here and there if you are a Democrat like Virginia's HoD staying tied 50-50 and New Hampshire's local GOP didn't perform well apparently.
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Anyone got any insights into NH? I really think people are overstating the Virginia bust. It is amazing what kind of platform the democrat ran on. Under no circumstances do you speak against parents, lol. Gotta be the dumbest shit in the entire world. Our world is flawed, but bend the knee, you idiot.
Can anyone remember any other elections where a governor basically runs on "I will override parents, get shit on lol" in a purple state?
"I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach."
lmaoooo
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He might be right, be he defiently shouldnt be saying this out loud. Why is even education such an important topic? It is usually pretty low on the list.
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On November 03 2021 16:58 Silvanel wrote:
He might be right, be he defiently shouldnt be saying this out loud. Why is even education such an important topic? It is usually pretty low on the list.
Republicans have been stirring fears that children are being taught to be ashamed to be white in schools. Also there was a recent sexual assault accusation against a gender fluid student that happened in a school bathroom. I would imagine that Republicans ran with that too, representing the virtue of white daughters as under assault by degenerate liberals. That used to be the go-to excuse for murdering black people, like what happened to Emmett Till, or even razing whole towns as in the Tulsa massacre. The same old angers and fears are being played upon, it isn't truly about education.
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On November 03 2021 10:56 LegalLord wrote:
New Jersey governor race is surprisingly close for a state that was deep blue a year ago. Still probably a D win, albeit barely.
The race is still insanely close x.x Really hoping that we keep Murphy instead of switching to Jack.
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On November 03 2021 11:06 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2021 10:56 LegalLord wrote:
New Jersey governor race is surprisingly close for a state that was deep blue a year ago. Still probably a D win, albeit barely. This has got to indicate that Democrats are going to get creamed in 2022 midterms, right lol. My question is what lessons, if any, do they attempt to take from it Also I want to take a moment to appreciate that after Donald Trump happened and then the insurrection happened Republicans are still alive and thriving as a party and I find that to be just so wild, lol Trump was a symptom of what the Republican base is, not a cause. The party is still alive because voting in Trump and a murderous insurrection to instate him as a dictator is what the base wants.
They can say they don't agree but the fact they they didn't rebel after their party supported and defended a direct attempt to overthrow American democracy shows different.
Actions > words.
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On November 03 2021 18:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2021 10:56 LegalLord wrote:
New Jersey governor race is surprisingly close for a state that was deep blue a year ago. Still probably a D win, albeit barely. The race is still insanely close x.x Really hoping that we keep Murphy instead of switching to Jack.
NJ Gubernatorial Update: The current results are still incredibly close, and Jack(R) is still a tiny amount ahead of Murphy(D)... by around a thousand votes. Some encouraging news for Dem voters though: the counties that haven't counted/submitted all their votes yet are generally Dem-leaning: Camden and Essex, in particular, while all the other counties have already announced all (or almost all) of their results. In other words, there's a pretty good chance that the lead will flip back to Governor Murphy, but nothing is set in stone yet. As a comparison, think of how PA flipped to Biden during the presidential election because most of the conservative areas announced their results before most of the liberal areas (big liberal cities = more votes to count; more mail-in votes were from Democrats because Trump told his Republican constituents not to vote by mail, and those mail-in votes were counted later; etc.), but this NJ race is a much, much closer situation. All I know is that, if Jack wins, I'm certainly not going to assert that it was due to voter fraud; I hope that if Republicans lose again, they won't blindly assert voter fraud either.
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On November 03 2021 18:36 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2021 11:06 Zambrah wrote:On November 03 2021 10:56 LegalLord wrote:
New Jersey governor race is surprisingly close for a state that was deep blue a year ago. Still probably a D win, albeit barely. This has got to indicate that Democrats are going to get creamed in 2022 midterms, right lol. My question is what lessons, if any, do they attempt to take from it Also I want to take a moment to appreciate that after Donald Trump happened and then the insurrection happened Republicans are still alive and thriving as a party and I find that to be just so wild, lol Trump was a symptom of what the Republican base is, not a cause. The party is still alive because voting in Trump and a murderous insurrection to instate him as a dictator is what the base wants. They can say they don't agree but the fact they they didn't rebel after their party supported and defended a direct attempt to overthrow American democracy shows different. Actions > words.
Im not blaming the Republican base, my stance on the Republicans is their politicians are beyond hope and I expect nothing from them, and their base has been so manipulated by Republicans and neglected by Democrats that I feel bad for them.
I'm just kind of flabbergasted that the actual politicians who were in danger don't take it more seriously. I genuinely think we're past the point of serious consequences, the event is now cooled off and people will be able to hide behind their partisan team to avoid having to answer for inciting a dumbass insurrection, lol
Like, the insurrections were going, "Hang Mike Pence!" and walking around with zip ties, you'd think that collectively Congress could get behind kicking out people like Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Green, and impeaching Trump and removing him from office while he had days left in office. Instead none of that happened and it feels like we've basically moved on. No electoral consequences, no political career consequences, just a few brainwashed nutters getting a year in jail.
Wild.
EDIT: heres a video of a man who is decidedly against CRT, but doesn't know what it is, this was like THE issue for the VA Governor election. I have a hard time feeling too much more than sad for these sorts of people. Society has and is failing it's people in the US.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/2/2061734/--Well-I-m-not-going-to-get-into-the-specifics-Watch-Virginia-man-broadcast-ignorance-on-CRT
transcript;
+ Show Spoiler +Interviewer: Whats the most important issue in the governor's race here in Virginia?
Man: Getting back to the basics of teaching children. Not teaching them Critical Race Theory.
Interviewer: And what is Critical Race Theory?
Man: Well, I'm not going to get into the specifics of it because I dont understand it that much. But its something that I don't - what little bit that I know I don't care for.
Interviewer: And what have you heard that you don't like?
Man: I'm not gonna - you know - I don't, uh - I don't have that much knowledge on it but its something I don't care for.
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On November 03 2021 19:55 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2021 18:36 Gorsameth wrote:On November 03 2021 11:06 Zambrah wrote:On November 03 2021 10:56 LegalLord wrote:
New Jersey governor race is surprisingly close for a state that was deep blue a year ago. Still probably a D win, albeit barely. This has got to indicate that Democrats are going to get creamed in 2022 midterms, right lol. My question is what lessons, if any, do they attempt to take from it Also I want to take a moment to appreciate that after Donald Trump happened and then the insurrection happened Republicans are still alive and thriving as a party and I find that to be just so wild, lol Trump was a symptom of what the Republican base is, not a cause. The party is still alive because voting in Trump and a murderous insurrection to instate him as a dictator is what the base wants. They can say they don't agree but the fact they they didn't rebel after their party supported and defended a direct attempt to overthrow American democracy shows different. Actions > words. Im not blaming the Republican base, my stance on the Republicans is their politicians are beyond hope and I expect nothing from them, and their base has been so manipulated by Republicans and neglected by Democrats that I feel bad for them. I'm just kind of flabbergasted that the actual politicians who were in danger don't take it more seriously. I genuinely think we're past the point of serious consequences, the event is now cooled off and people will be able to hide behind their partisan team to avoid having to answer for inciting a dumbass insurrection, lol Like, the insurrections were going, "Hang Mike Pence!" and walking around with zip ties, you'd think that collectively Congress could get behind kicking out people like Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Green, and impeaching Trump and removing him from office while he had days left in office. Instead none of that happened and it feels like we've basically moved on. No electoral consequences, no political career consequences, just a few brainwashed nutters getting a year in jail. Wild. A few simply are insane. Others are willing to ignore the treat to stay on the gravy train and enrich themselves. A fair few are probably afraid for their lives and hoping that by playing along some nutjob won't try to assassinate them.
I too expected any talk of a stolen election to evaporate after the storming of the Capitol. My expectations of the Republican party, both its politicians and the somewhat sane part of its base, were evidently to high as became apparent mere hours later when at the resumed count objections were still raised.
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Definitely shouldve been more eyebrow raising and should've really triggered more interest in addressing the problems that got us to this point, but as KwarK brought up, society in the US is about money, and making people angry generates money. Politicians are overall far too bought off to jeopardize the profits of their owners.
The US has tied money to being a moral good and it's created a callous, ignorant society that deifies the ultra-wealthy at the expense of it's worse off. The ultra-rich have the resources and status to keep the worst off at each other's throats. Conveniently makes them a ton of money and helps keeps the plebs from getting together to take back whats theirs.
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While I'm not going to advocate for it, it would be pretty entertaining if Democrats decided to assert "voter fraud" in any election they lost, not because they believed it, but rather just to see Republicans suddenly start backpedaling and defending the integrity and security of our elections.
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On November 03 2021 19:55 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2021 18:36 Gorsameth wrote:On November 03 2021 11:06 Zambrah wrote:On November 03 2021 10:56 LegalLord wrote:
New Jersey governor race is surprisingly close for a state that was deep blue a year ago. Still probably a D win, albeit barely. This has got to indicate that Democrats are going to get creamed in 2022 midterms, right lol. My question is what lessons, if any, do they attempt to take from it Also I want to take a moment to appreciate that after Donald Trump happened and then the insurrection happened Republicans are still alive and thriving as a party and I find that to be just so wild, lol Trump was a symptom of what the Republican base is, not a cause. The party is still alive because voting in Trump and a murderous insurrection to instate him as a dictator is what the base wants. They can say they don't agree but the fact they they didn't rebel after their party supported and defended a direct attempt to overthrow American democracy shows different. Actions > words. Im not blaming the Republican base, my stance on the Republicans is their politicians are beyond hope and I expect nothing from them, and their base has been so manipulated by Republicans and neglected by Democrats that I feel bad for them. I'm just kind of flabbergasted that the actual politicians who were in danger don't take it more seriously. I genuinely think we're past the point of serious consequences, the event is now cooled off and people will be able to hide behind their partisan team to avoid having to answer for inciting a dumbass insurrection, lol Like, the insurrections were going, "Hang Mike Pence!" and walking around with zip ties, you'd think that collectively Congress could get behind kicking out people like Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Green, and impeaching Trump and removing him from office while he had days left in office. Instead none of that happened and it feels like we've basically moved on. No electoral consequences, no political career consequences, just a few brainwashed nutters getting a year in jail. Wild. EDIT: heres a video of a man who is decidedly against CRT, but doesn't know what it is, this was like THE issue for the VA Governor election. I have a hard time feeling too much more than sad for these sorts of people. Society has and is failing it's people in the US. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/2/2061734/--Well-I-m-not-going-to-get-into-the-specifics-Watch-Virginia-man-broadcast-ignorance-on-CRTtranscript; + Show Spoiler +Interviewer: Whats the most important issue in the governor's race here in Virginia?
Man: Getting back to the basics of teaching children. Not teaching them Critical Race Theory.
Interviewer: And what is Critical Race Theory?
Man: Well, I'm not going to get into the specifics of it because I dont understand it that much. But its something that I don't - what little bit that I know I don't care for.
Interviewer: And what have you heard that you don't like?
Man: I'm not gonna - you know - I don't, uh - I don't have that much knowledge on it but its something I don't care for.
Most people are not that engaged in politics -- it's not that unusual that people blurt out talking points without having any actual knowledge of what any of it means. You can find examples with more liberal voters as well as more conservative voters. We (as in liberals) like to think that other liberal voters are more engaged and knowledgeable but that's not necessarily true either. In total honesty, I have personally voted for people I had zero knowledge of what they stood for simply because they belong to a political party that is more or less aligned with my personal beliefs. I imagine this is true for most people.
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Murphy is currently winning in NJ, and the biggest remaining counties lean left + mail-in votes tend to lean left too. There's a pretty good chance that Murphy stays Governor... certainly better than 50%, but it's not over until it's over.
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