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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2568 Posts
On September 10 2021 23:04 Slydie wrote: No, that is not how herd immunity works. It was hoped to be reached at 70%, but the Delta variant +that vaccines is not distributed evenly across age groups it has to go higher, probably somewhere 75-95%. The definition of herd immunity is that outbreaks stop by themselves, and if they do depends on how infectious the disease is. https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19?gclid=CjwKCAjwhOyJBhA4EiwAEcJdcah4o2WzRi66W_kh043Qjiuxxi1SvSzaeRx_1BnW8V7nMwt8pbvdIBoCrOQQAvD_BwE# Yes, getting the virus is the best immunisation, which is often overlooked. If people don't want to be vaccinated, it is really the only option, keeping restrictions, quarantines and mass testing forever is not viable IMO. Vaccines will not carry a population to herd immunity by themselves, but the cases will be milder and fewer, effectively turning covid into a manageable flu. I believe most countries are shooting for a vaccine % in the 80s before opening up completely, but what the right strategy is remains to be seen, and in the US that seems almost impossible to achieve. Do you have data for the bolded? I'd be keen to look at how having had it stacks up against just taking the vaccine. From anecdotal evidence, I know multiple people that had it more than once. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21390 Posts
On September 11 2021 01:47 EnDeR_ wrote: There is an Israeli study that reached that conclusion, but it has not been reviewed.Do you have data for the bolded? I'd be keen to look at how having had it stacks up against just taking the vaccine. From anecdotal evidence, I know multiple people that had it more than once. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2568 Posts
On September 11 2021 01:57 Gorsameth wrote: There is an Israeli study that reached that conclusion, but it has not been reviewed. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 On my phone so can't check, is that another small scale study or is it looking at the data worldwide? | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
And only observational, not controlled. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21390 Posts
On September 11 2021 02:08 EnDeR_ wrote: A retrospective observational study limited to only Israel.On my phone so can't check, is that another small scale study or is it looking at the data worldwide? | ||
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Sermokala
United States13754 Posts
It is also wildly more deadly than getting a vax and taxing on infrastructure for other ways people die. Anti vaxers are not just killing themselves and others with the virus they're killing people from the economic damage they cause and from the other uses of a hospital for normal people | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4693 Posts
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58516155 | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
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BlackJack
United States10209 Posts
On September 11 2021 01:47 EnDeR_ wrote: Do you have data for the bolded? I'd be keen to look at how having had it stacks up against just taking the vaccine. From anecdotal evidence, I know multiple people that had it more than once. I don't know anyone that has had it more than once but I know a lot of people with breakthrough infections. But I also know a lot more vaccinated people than people with natural immunity. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2568 Posts
On September 11 2021 03:49 BlackJack wrote: I don't know anyone that has had it more than once but I know a lot of people with breakthrough infections. But I also know a lot more vaccinated people than people with natural immunity. I'm the reverse. I don't know anyone with a breakthrough infection. The ones I know that got reinfected work in healthcare, so they caught it very early the first time. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2568 Posts
On September 11 2021 02:25 m4ini wrote: Israel only. And only observational, not controlled. Yes, this has been my observation when googling it. There doesn't seem to be anything particularly reliable about reinfections. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10209 Posts
On September 10 2021 08:07 GreenHorizons wrote: Mandating vaccines seems sensible to me, but considering it seems clear the reopening was rushed/done carelessly given what we knew/know about vaccination rates then and now. That excerpt has to be the most useless way to relay information. NYC has roughly 300% more deaths than this time last year. This time last year they were averaging about 4 deaths/day and now they are averaging about 12 deaths/day. In Spring of 2020 they were having 750+ deaths/day. If COVID was as cyclical as the flu season then a year-over-year point to point comparison would make sense. But it's not, so this is not a good way to provide information. | ||
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brian
United States9610 Posts
pick a bible belt state and hit us with those same figures. it’s been a few weeks since i’ve been intimately familiar with the numbers but my expectation is that there are many areas in the south and west that are hitting records still, or are very near them. With school coming into session, we have the potential to be looking over the edge of a bad cliff. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6210 Posts
Overall, fully vaccinated people are about five times less likely to become infected with delta, 10 times less likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 from delta, and 11 times less likely to die from the variant, according to the studies. According to CDC, seems like vaccines are still very protective against serious side effects, even against Delta, although less so than with previous variants. Definitely better to get the vaccine compared to getting Delta. The elderly have the weakest protection from the vaccine, so hopefully boosters can be released for the elderly. It's likely that the third dose with a long interval gives good, long lasting protection for all age groups. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43830 Posts
On September 11 2021 03:21 Silvanel wrote: Texas also (like Florida) passes "de-platforming law" making it illegal for social media platforms to ban users "based on their political viewpoints". Anyone knows how is the Florida one working (it was passed in May). Has it made any impact? https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58516155 That's pretty silly... Can't anything be considered a political viewpoint? Republicans have turned vaccines and climate change into political issues. (Also, there's the irony of small/limited government proponents wanting the government to regulate private businesses.) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23943 Posts
On September 11 2021 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: That's pretty silly... Can't anything be considered a political viewpoint? Republicans have turned vaccines and climate change into political issues. (Also, there's the irony of small/limited government proponents wanting the government to regulate private businesses.) It’s almost like their supposed principles are amorphous blobs that change to suit whatever triggers their emotional responses. Businesses should be free to not bake gay cakes but also not free to decide not to platform people? Which is it? How is this law remotely workable anyway? Just ultimately meaningless posturing or what level of enforcement is even achievable with a Texas specific law? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On September 11 2021 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: That's pretty silly... Can't anything be considered a political viewpoint? Republicans have turned vaccines and climate change into political issues. (Also, there's the irony of small/limited government proponents wanting the government to regulate private businesses.) It's posturing. Violate the TOS and you'll still be banned. DeSantis is trying really hard to be relevant, almost as if he wanted to eclipse Trump before the 2024 campaign start. Conservatives, on the web at least, really bought the trump lie of "i'm standing between you and them, they're attacking me but in truth they're after you!". | ||
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