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On May 20 2021 01:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2021 00:59 KwarK wrote:
My tax refund is taking a long time to get processed so I googled the interest rate and lateness threshold and it turns out that in 2020 the IRS paid $3b in interest for late refunds of overpayments. Given the annual budget for the IRS was about $11.8b (2019 figure) this seems absolutely absurd.
How is it preferable for the government to pay a $3b fine for the underfunded organization having insufficient resources rather than pay a smaller amount for it to run properly. Hopefully funding the IRS so that it can actually function is on the Biden to-do list. They got me mine almost immediately and made sure they took their cut. I don't know if it's just those with higher refunds that are taking longer to process or what, but they're definitely getting their money from the people who can't afford it to be taken. If Biden does come around and get more funding for them (which we know the Rs will protest), maybe they'll get the money hidden away from them by the 1%. Also, a thought has been running through my head KwarK, maybe you can answer it: What would be the ramifications if everyone 18+ was given 1mil tomorrow?
A million would probably collapse the dollar and require the creation of a new currency. People’s savings would be wiped out but tangibles such as stocks and real estate would retain value. A lot of general chaos as everyone started bartering and then everything got reestablished in the new currency, no real change for the poor who would get worthless dollars that nobody would accept. Middle class would have their dollar savings wiped out. No real change for upper class. Dollar denominated debts would be preserved and converted to the new currency because the banks make the rules.
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On May 20 2021 01:26 Doublemint wrote:
well... the myth of the dysfunctional government needs to be turned into a self fulfilling prophecy that is easy to prove and actually fulfill... by policies followed by slogans like "starve the beast!" and "the government is in the way of hard working people".
You will not find a single person who works for a billion dollar company who says industry is more efficient than government
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On May 20 2021 01:47 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2021 01:26 Doublemint wrote:
well... the myth of the dysfunctional government needs to be turned into a self fulfilling prophecy that is easy to prove and actually fulfill... by policies followed by slogans like "starve the beast!" and "the government is in the way of hard working people".
You will not find a single person who works for a billion dollar company who says industry is more efficient than government
Generally true, except for the CEOs and C level executives.
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On May 20 2021 01:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2021 01:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 20 2021 00:59 KwarK wrote:
My tax refund is taking a long time to get processed so I googled the interest rate and lateness threshold and it turns out that in 2020 the IRS paid $3b in interest for late refunds of overpayments. Given the annual budget for the IRS was about $11.8b (2019 figure) this seems absolutely absurd.
How is it preferable for the government to pay a $3b fine for the underfunded organization having insufficient resources rather than pay a smaller amount for it to run properly. Hopefully funding the IRS so that it can actually function is on the Biden to-do list. They got me mine almost immediately and made sure they took their cut. I don't know if it's just those with higher refunds that are taking longer to process or what, but they're definitely getting their money from the people who can't afford it to be taken. If Biden does come around and get more funding for them (which we know the Rs will protest), maybe they'll get the money hidden away from them by the 1%. Also, a thought has been running through my head KwarK, maybe you can answer it: What would be the ramifications if everyone 18+ was given 1mil tomorrow? A million would probably collapse the dollar and require the creation of a new currency. People’s savings would be wiped out but tangibles such as stocks and real estate would retain value. A lot of general chaos as everyone started bartering and then everything got reestablished in the new currency, no real change for the poor who would get worthless dollars that nobody would accept. Middle class would have their dollar savings wiped out. No real change for upper class. Dollar denominated debts would be preserved and converted to the new currency because the banks make the rules.
So what would the new currency be backed by? What would the change be that wouldn't make the dollar worthless and how could the poor convert it?
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On May 20 2021 02:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2021 01:47 KwarK wrote:On May 20 2021 01:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 20 2021 00:59 KwarK wrote:
My tax refund is taking a long time to get processed so I googled the interest rate and lateness threshold and it turns out that in 2020 the IRS paid $3b in interest for late refunds of overpayments. Given the annual budget for the IRS was about $11.8b (2019 figure) this seems absolutely absurd.
How is it preferable for the government to pay a $3b fine for the underfunded organization having insufficient resources rather than pay a smaller amount for it to run properly. Hopefully funding the IRS so that it can actually function is on the Biden to-do list. They got me mine almost immediately and made sure they took their cut. I don't know if it's just those with higher refunds that are taking longer to process or what, but they're definitely getting their money from the people who can't afford it to be taken. If Biden does come around and get more funding for them (which we know the Rs will protest), maybe they'll get the money hidden away from them by the 1%. Also, a thought has been running through my head KwarK, maybe you can answer it: What would be the ramifications if everyone 18+ was given 1mil tomorrow? A million would probably collapse the dollar and require the creation of a new currency. People’s savings would be wiped out but tangibles such as stocks and real estate would retain value. A lot of general chaos as everyone started bartering and then everything got reestablished in the new currency, no real change for the poor who would get worthless dollars that nobody would accept. Middle class would have their dollar savings wiped out. No real change for upper class. Dollar denominated debts would be preserved and converted to the new currency because the banks make the rules. So what would the new currency be backed by? What would the change be that wouldn't make the dollar worthless and how could the poor convert it?
It’d be backed by the faith and credit of the US government. This wouldn’t be worth what it used to be because of the stunt they pulled by giving everyone a million dollars. People would probably start using euros and other currencies more.
The poor would most likely get fucked because, as a rule, they always do. Their paper would be toilet paper while their student loans would get converted.
This is all hypothetical though, it’d never actually happen so my answer is pure speculation.
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On May 20 2021 02:31 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2021 02:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 20 2021 01:47 KwarK wrote:On May 20 2021 01:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 20 2021 00:59 KwarK wrote:
My tax refund is taking a long time to get processed so I googled the interest rate and lateness threshold and it turns out that in 2020 the IRS paid $3b in interest for late refunds of overpayments. Given the annual budget for the IRS was about $11.8b (2019 figure) this seems absolutely absurd.
How is it preferable for the government to pay a $3b fine for the underfunded organization having insufficient resources rather than pay a smaller amount for it to run properly. Hopefully funding the IRS so that it can actually function is on the Biden to-do list. They got me mine almost immediately and made sure they took their cut. I don't know if it's just those with higher refunds that are taking longer to process or what, but they're definitely getting their money from the people who can't afford it to be taken. If Biden does come around and get more funding for them (which we know the Rs will protest), maybe they'll get the money hidden away from them by the 1%. Also, a thought has been running through my head KwarK, maybe you can answer it: What would be the ramifications if everyone 18+ was given 1mil tomorrow? A million would probably collapse the dollar and require the creation of a new currency. People’s savings would be wiped out but tangibles such as stocks and real estate would retain value. A lot of general chaos as everyone started bartering and then everything got reestablished in the new currency, no real change for the poor who would get worthless dollars that nobody would accept. Middle class would have their dollar savings wiped out. No real change for upper class. Dollar denominated debts would be preserved and converted to the new currency because the banks make the rules. So what would the new currency be backed by? What would the change be that wouldn't make the dollar worthless and how could the poor convert it? It’d be backed by the faith and credit of the US government. This wouldn’t be worth what it used to be because of the stunt they pulled by giving everyone a million dollars. People would probably start using euros and other currencies more. The poor would most likely get fucked because, as a rule, they always do. Their paper would be toilet paper while their student loans would get converted. This is all hypothetical though, it’d never actually happen so my answer is pure speculation.
What if it was a private donation? Keeping with the hypothetical, wouldn't the new currency halve the old? And if the new currency, say "blue backs" (love Escape from LA), were then valued at +x of the old currency, the poor would still be similarly screwed, but at least have some way of surviving? I'm sure the flood of inflation would tidal wave them eventually, but I think the US government, with their new currency and new method of credit, would be able to do something? Maybe an alliance with Yen or Euros to back them? But if the US government failed to manage a merger of currencies, what would the political outlook be?
Would the US become a protectorate of a bloc of nations or nation that wasn't harmed from the collapse of the $?
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In the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, Biden has told Israel to de-escalate and Bibby told Biden to cuck himself. I'm sure that this will end famously with US halting or withdrawing support for Israel. Though that's just wishful thinking. The only nation we should be backing 100% is Japan (since we forbade them from having a standing army for the longest).
As the conflict between Israel and Hamas entered its 10th day, President Biden pressed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday to de-escalate Israeli military action in a push to end the hostilities, the White House said.
"The President conveyed to the Prime Minister that he expected a significant de-escalation today on the path to a ceasefire," it said in a statement.
The White House said Biden and Netanyahu "had a detailed discussion on the state of events in Gaza, Israel's progress in degrading the capabilities of Hamas and other terrorist elements, and ongoing diplomatic efforts by regional governments and the United States."
After a later visit to military headquarters, Netanyahu said he is "determined to continue this operation until its aim is met."
There's been no letup in fighting, despite growing international calls for a cease-fire.
In one attack overnight, more than 50 Israeli warplanes pounded the southern part of the Gaza Strip, according to the Israeli military. The target was a vast network of tunnels, which Israel says is used by Hamas to shuttle weapons and people.
Israel says more than 50 cross-border rocket attacks launched from Gaza set off sirens in some southern Israeli communities and killed two workers from Thailand. The Israeli military says more than 3,450 rockets have been launched from Gaza since the fighting began, more than in any previous conflict between Israel and Hamas.
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In other news, this is a true testament to those who think racism and the very bad effects it had "are over". There are still people who are alive that had parents that were slaves. Hard to have a civil argument over what remedies/reparations need to be if we can't acknowledge this much. (some do, a lot don't. Until there is universal consensus and reparations are met, then the issue should never be put to rest).
The day that a white mob came to Greenwood Avenue in Tulsa, Okla., Viola Fletcher was just 7 years old.
During emotional testimony on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, Fletcher, who is now 107, recalled her memories of the two-day massacre that left hundreds of Black people dead.
"I will never forget the violence of the white mob when we left our home. I still see Black men being shot, Black bodies lying in the street. I still smell smoke and see fire. I still see Black businesses being burned. I still hear airplanes flying overhead. I hear the screams," Fletcher told lawmakers. "I have lived through the massacre every day. Our country may forget this history, but I cannot."
Fletcher and two other survivors of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre, her younger brother Hughes Van Ellis and Lessie Benningfield Randle, testified before a House Judiciary Subcommittee on Wednesday nearly 100 years to the date of the massacre. Some historians say as many as 300 Black people were killed and another 10,000 were left homeless. Greenwood was destroyed by the attack that was launched on May 31, 1921.
The country is currently grappling with systemic racism laid bare by the coronavirus pandemic and the killings of George Floyd and other Black people in encounters with law enforcement. The same committee that heard from the survivors has also been studying reparations for the descendants of millions of enslaved Americans and recently advanced a bill that would create a commission to study the lingering effects of slavery.
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On May 20 2021 04:32 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2021 02:31 KwarK wrote:On May 20 2021 02:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 20 2021 01:47 KwarK wrote:On May 20 2021 01:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 20 2021 00:59 KwarK wrote:
My tax refund is taking a long time to get processed so I googled the interest rate and lateness threshold and it turns out that in 2020 the IRS paid $3b in interest for late refunds of overpayments. Given the annual budget for the IRS was about $11.8b (2019 figure) this seems absolutely absurd.
How is it preferable for the government to pay a $3b fine for the underfunded organization having insufficient resources rather than pay a smaller amount for it to run properly. Hopefully funding the IRS so that it can actually function is on the Biden to-do list. They got me mine almost immediately and made sure they took their cut. I don't know if it's just those with higher refunds that are taking longer to process or what, but they're definitely getting their money from the people who can't afford it to be taken. If Biden does come around and get more funding for them (which we know the Rs will protest), maybe they'll get the money hidden away from them by the 1%. Also, a thought has been running through my head KwarK, maybe you can answer it: What would be the ramifications if everyone 18+ was given 1mil tomorrow? A million would probably collapse the dollar and require the creation of a new currency. People’s savings would be wiped out but tangibles such as stocks and real estate would retain value. A lot of general chaos as everyone started bartering and then everything got reestablished in the new currency, no real change for the poor who would get worthless dollars that nobody would accept. Middle class would have their dollar savings wiped out. No real change for upper class. Dollar denominated debts would be preserved and converted to the new currency because the banks make the rules. So what would the new currency be backed by? What would the change be that wouldn't make the dollar worthless and how could the poor convert it? It’d be backed by the faith and credit of the US government. This wouldn’t be worth what it used to be because of the stunt they pulled by giving everyone a million dollars. People would probably start using euros and other currencies more. The poor would most likely get fucked because, as a rule, they always do. Their paper would be toilet paper while their student loans would get converted. This is all hypothetical though, it’d never actually happen so my answer is pure speculation. What if it was a private donation? Keeping with the hypothetical, wouldn't the new currency halve the old? And if the new currency, say "blue backs" (love Escape from LA), were then valued at +x of the old currency, the poor would still be similarly screwed, but at least have some way of surviving? I'm sure the flood of inflation would tidal wave them eventually, but I think the US government, with their new currency and new method of credit, would be able to do something? Maybe an alliance with Yen or Euros to back them? But if the US government failed to manage a merger of currencies, what would the political outlook be? Would the US become a protectorate of a bloc of nations or nation that wasn't harmed from the collapse of the $?
A private donation of $300,000,000,000,000 from where? There isn’t that amount of money. Remember most value isn’t money, money is just the lubrication in the machine that lets you trade one kind of value (Amazon stock) for another (real estate). It’s used to facilitate trade. If that amount of additional money existed and was circulated used then it would already have devalued the US dollar.
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On May 20 2021 04:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2021 04:32 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 20 2021 02:31 KwarK wrote:On May 20 2021 02:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 20 2021 01:47 KwarK wrote:On May 20 2021 01:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On May 20 2021 00:59 KwarK wrote:
My tax refund is taking a long time to get processed so I googled the interest rate and lateness threshold and it turns out that in 2020 the IRS paid $3b in interest for late refunds of overpayments. Given the annual budget for the IRS was about $11.8b (2019 figure) this seems absolutely absurd.
How is it preferable for the government to pay a $3b fine for the underfunded organization having insufficient resources rather than pay a smaller amount for it to run properly. Hopefully funding the IRS so that it can actually function is on the Biden to-do list. They got me mine almost immediately and made sure they took their cut. I don't know if it's just those with higher refunds that are taking longer to process or what, but they're definitely getting their money from the people who can't afford it to be taken. If Biden does come around and get more funding for them (which we know the Rs will protest), maybe they'll get the money hidden away from them by the 1%. Also, a thought has been running through my head KwarK, maybe you can answer it: What would be the ramifications if everyone 18+ was given 1mil tomorrow? A million would probably collapse the dollar and require the creation of a new currency. People’s savings would be wiped out but tangibles such as stocks and real estate would retain value. A lot of general chaos as everyone started bartering and then everything got reestablished in the new currency, no real change for the poor who would get worthless dollars that nobody would accept. Middle class would have their dollar savings wiped out. No real change for upper class. Dollar denominated debts would be preserved and converted to the new currency because the banks make the rules. So what would the new currency be backed by? What would the change be that wouldn't make the dollar worthless and how could the poor convert it? It’d be backed by the faith and credit of the US government. This wouldn’t be worth what it used to be because of the stunt they pulled by giving everyone a million dollars. People would probably start using euros and other currencies more. The poor would most likely get fucked because, as a rule, they always do. Their paper would be toilet paper while their student loans would get converted. This is all hypothetical though, it’d never actually happen so my answer is pure speculation. What if it was a private donation? Keeping with the hypothetical, wouldn't the new currency halve the old? And if the new currency, say "blue backs" (love Escape from LA), were then valued at +x of the old currency, the poor would still be similarly screwed, but at least have some way of surviving? I'm sure the flood of inflation would tidal wave them eventually, but I think the US government, with their new currency and new method of credit, would be able to do something? Maybe an alliance with Yen or Euros to back them? But if the US government failed to manage a merger of currencies, what would the political outlook be? Would the US become a protectorate of a bloc of nations or nation that wasn't harmed from the collapse of the $? A private donation of $300,000,000,000,000 from where? There isn’t that amount of money. Remember most value isn’t money, money is just the lubrication in the machine that lets you trade one kind of value (Amazon stock) for another (real estate). It’s used to facilitate trade. If that amount of additional money existed and was circulated used then it would already have devalued the US dollar.
Edit: I stand corrected. :p me and math I swear.
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In case people are wondering if there is a limit to the rigid progressivism of Portland, there is.
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2021/05/portland-announces-it-will-aggressively-clean-or-remove-homeless-encampments.html
“We have found that encampments return to a state of non-compliance within a matter of days, if not hours, depending on the location,” according to the memo written by city staff.
In a joint statement, all five city commissioners expressed support for the change, casting the stepped up evictions as good for people experiencing homelessness.
“These new protocols reprioritize public health and safety among houseless Portlanders and aim to improve sanitary conditions until we have additional shelter beds and housing available,” Wheeler and the rest of the City Council wrote. “Bureaus are currently inventorying city-owned properties for viable shelter or camping sites.”
This is not a case of Portland's population being mad at city commissioners. This is perhaps one of the most cheered for changes in Portland. Its honestly become a complete shit show. There are just a wild, wild amount of camps that are completely insane. Its like Mad Max in some areas.
Here's the Reddit thread and a few wild comments:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/tEGJpPN.png)
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/nga30y/portland_announces_it_will_aggressively_clean_or/
My view: The correct solution to homelessness is to provide homes. Utah is a brilliant example of how to handle homeless people. Just build them houses. If you are NOT going to do that, the only solution is iron fist totalitarian evictions without hesitation. The current situation in Portland is that homeless camps end up being these wild societies where its just not good. This is not good for homeless people and its horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible for people who live in Portland. I moved away and there's no chance I'd ever go back.
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On May 20 2021 08:59 Mohdoo wrote:In case people are wondering if there is a limit to the rigid progressivism of Portland, there is. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2021/05/portland-announces-it-will-aggressively-clean-or-remove-homeless-encampments.htmlShow nested quote +
“We have found that encampments return to a state of non-compliance within a matter of days, if not hours, depending on the location,” according to the memo written by city staff.
In a joint statement, all five city commissioners expressed support for the change, casting the stepped up evictions as good for people experiencing homelessness.
“These new protocols reprioritize public health and safety among houseless Portlanders and aim to improve sanitary conditions until we have additional shelter beds and housing available,” Wheeler and the rest of the City Council wrote. “Bureaus are currently inventorying city-owned properties for viable shelter or camping sites.”
This is not a case of Portland's population being mad at city commissioners. This is perhaps one of the most cheered for changes in Portland. Its honestly become a complete shit show. There are just a wild, wild amount of camps that are completely insane. Its like Mad Max in some areas. Here's the Reddit thread and a few wild comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/nga30y/portland_announces_it_will_aggressively_clean_or/My view: The correct solution to homelessness is to provide homes. Utah is a brilliant example of how to handle homeless people. Just build them houses. If you are NOT going to do that, the only solution is iron fist totalitarian evictions without hesitation. The current situation in Portland is that homeless camps end up being these wild societies where its just not good. This is not good for homeless people and its horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible for people who live in Portland. I moved away and there's no chance I'd ever go back.
Vancouver has been dealing with encampments for the last couple years, and quite frankly I agree with those comments as well as the enforcement action to some extent. The encampment in Vancouver anyways is rife with crime of all sorts, drug use, and bicycle chop shops(basically don't leave bike outside in like a 20 block radius or it WILL get stolen). Vancouver's one of a few places in Canada where you won't freeze to death in the wintertime, so we have the imported homeless from much of Canada as well. Problem is that we have some of the most expensive real estate in the world. Even spending something like 100k PER homeless person on a basic residence, some of them still refuse to use those residences, and they make living in the area absolutely horrendous.
Yes homes are a partial solution, but ultimately there needs to be mental health and addiction services, as well as rehabilitation. There are people who overdose 10+ times a week, having highly trained paramedics just on opiod overdose standby duty, people with dozens of incidences of petty theft and so on who quite frankly should no longer be allowed on the streets.
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That is about 20 more republicans than I thought we would see vote yes. We'll see what happens but I wouldn't be surprised if it fails in the Senate.
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Just ship all of the homeless to Amish country :3 They pretty much build top notch shelters as a hobby [community bonding tradition,] are minimalist when it comes to technology (what's more minimal than homelessness?) and many groups will accept outsiders to give a chance to accept their ways or leave, and are cool with keeping those who have good-faith conversion to their methods of living and worshiping. They wouldn't even need to shave their beards! This could be a good place for a some addicts to detox and find a new path in a self-sustaining community. Flooding the Pennsylvania farming communities seems less detrimental to society than herding them into tent cities and allowing their activities to effect more populated/expensive areas that don't seem to have the willingness or resources to help them. That and if they decide to reject it and/or relapse then whatever, just it's only a short horse and buggy ride to Kensington.
This started as a joking idea but decided to type it and nearly convinced myself that it isn't stupid. No bully, please.
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Sending homeless into communities that condemn use of tobacco and alcohol, for some reason that doesn't strike me as particularly doable.
I mean.. Certainly, for some that hit rock bottom and actually just can't get a leg up, maybe. But they could just go there anyway. I think the alcohol/tobacco ban, and being missionaries, doesn't really suit the average homeless person.
Though, of course, "tent cities" are unsustainable either, and it's not as easy as "build them houses" - because all you're doing is creating the next slum/ghetto. Those people need actual help, some even lifelong. Not just monetary, but mental.
This:
The correct solution to homelessness is to provide homes. Utah is a brilliant example of how to handle homeless people. Just build them houses.
Just creates a zone with houses filled with alcoholics/crackheads with no perspective. Which leads to crime, prostitution, drug hotspots etc - it's a bit like cleaning your room by throwing all the trash in a cupboard - the problem arises once it starts stinking.
As someone who, 25 years ago, almost (not quite) hit rock bottom, a "home" would've done absolutely nothing. People are homeless, how to put it.. by choice, but not quite. I think people don't realise that most (and i'd argue, the vast majority) homeless people would let a house rot, if you just gave them a house. You reach a level of "not caring anymore" that i didn't think existed. With "by choice" i mean that even if you gave them stuff, they wouldn't care, because their mental state/depression, often compounded by drug abuse, simply prevents them from trying to make something out of it.
It's incredibly hard to dig yourself out of it, and i would bet money on the fact that 9 out of 10 won't even try to do so, because they have given up on life and themselves.
One other problem, linked to this. Utah was cited as "model" for what you should do with homeless people. All you did is getting them out of the statistics, because of the way the US registers homeless people (according to US data, there's 550k homeless in the USA - if you actually believe that, i got a proposal for you, involving a nigerian prince and diamonds/gold). You didn't actually integrate them into society.
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i love a nuanced critique that begins suggesting the portland homeless ‘just go’ to an amish compound, or perhaps Utah. i can tell you’ve put a lot of thought into it, and I for one appreciate it.
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On May 20 2021 08:59 Mohdoo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +In case people are wondering if there is a limit to the rigid progressivism of Portland, there is. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2021/05/portland-announces-it-will-aggressively-clean-or-remove-homeless-encampments.html
“We have found that encampments return to a state of non-compliance within a matter of days, if not hours, depending on the location,” according to the memo written by city staff.
In a joint statement, all five city commissioners expressed support for the change, casting the stepped up evictions as good for people experiencing homelessness.
“These new protocols reprioritize public health and safety among houseless Portlanders and aim to improve sanitary conditions until we have additional shelter beds and housing available,” Wheeler and the rest of the City Council wrote. “Bureaus are currently inventorying city-owned properties for viable shelter or camping sites.”
This is not a case of Portland's population being mad at city commissioners. This is perhaps one of the most cheered for changes in Portland. Its honestly become a complete shit show. There are just a wild, wild amount of camps that are completely insane. Its like Mad Max in some areas. Here's the Reddit thread and a few wild comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/nga30y/portland_announces_it_will_aggressively_clean_or/My view: The correct solution to homelessness is to provide homes. Utah is a brilliant example of how to handle homeless people. Just build them houses. If you are NOT going to do that, the only solution is iron fist totalitarian evictions without hesitation. The current situation in Portland is that homeless camps end up being these wild societies where its just not good. This is not good for homeless people and its horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible for people who live in Portland. I moved away and there's no chance I'd ever go back.
The Bay Area subreddit is the same way right now. It's funny because reddit tends to lean more to the the left and the Bay Area leans more to the left but put the two together and the Bay Area subreddit is almost like an alt-right forum.
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On May 20 2021 14:39 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2021 08:59 Mohdoo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +In case people are wondering if there is a limit to the rigid progressivism of Portland, there is. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2021/05/portland-announces-it-will-aggressively-clean-or-remove-homeless-encampments.html
“We have found that encampments return to a state of non-compliance within a matter of days, if not hours, depending on the location,” according to the memo written by city staff.
In a joint statement, all five city commissioners expressed support for the change, casting the stepped up evictions as good for people experiencing homelessness.
“These new protocols reprioritize public health and safety among houseless Portlanders and aim to improve sanitary conditions until we have additional shelter beds and housing available,” Wheeler and the rest of the City Council wrote. “Bureaus are currently inventorying city-owned properties for viable shelter or camping sites.”
This is not a case of Portland's population being mad at city commissioners. This is perhaps one of the most cheered for changes in Portland. Its honestly become a complete shit show. There are just a wild, wild amount of camps that are completely insane. Its like Mad Max in some areas. Here's the Reddit thread and a few wild comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/nga30y/portland_announces_it_will_aggressively_clean_or/My view: The correct solution to homelessness is to provide homes. Utah is a brilliant example of how to handle homeless people. Just build them houses. If you are NOT going to do that, the only solution is iron fist totalitarian evictions without hesitation. The current situation in Portland is that homeless camps end up being these wild societies where its just not good. This is not good for homeless people and its horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible for people who live in Portland. I moved away and there's no chance I'd ever go back. The Bay Area subreddit is the same way right now. It's funny because reddit tends to lean more to the the left and the Bay Area leans more to the left but put the two together and the Bay Area subreddit is almost like an alt-right forum.
I genuinely believe most bleeding heart liberals like myself fight for the causes they do to help people. If you walk through Portland, it is chillingly clear tent communities are not helping homeless people. They simply aren’t better off being left alone. They are actively harming themselves and everyone around them. The more we let tent megastructures exist, the more the homeless suffer.
The *moment* this was clearly a purely toxic situation where there isn’t good being created by my tolerance, it is truly terrible and needs to be addressed immediately. Change what we currently do. Try new things until something improves things. We can’t just be idle.
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