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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States43403 Posts
On May 18 2021 22:57 JimmiC wrote: I'm arguing what I say I'm arguing, that his "history" is completely one sided and biased. First Lehi was not all the Zionists anymore than Izz ad-din al-Qassam Brigades (the military wing of hamas) is all the Palestinians. Sure, they're not all Lehi (some were in different terror groups for example) but if you're seeking to distance Israel from the terror attacks of Lehi then you might want to explain why the state of Israel made a Lehi medal and gave it to the members of Lehi to recognize and celebrate their membership of the terror organization. On May 18 2021 22:57 JimmiC wrote: but at the time what Hitler was doing as not that well know This is kind of funny because this actually is an example of the ahistorical Nazi apologism you were accusing me of earlier. 1925 Hitler wrote Mein Kampf which is filled with antisemitism In 1933 Jews were barred from public service in the civil service or government In 1933 Jews were excluded from working as doctors, lawyers, or tax consultants In 1935 the Nuremberg Race Laws were issued (too much antisemitism to itemize the contents) In 1935 Jewish officers were expelled from the army In 1935 Jewish students were expelled from universities In 1937 Jewish children were barred from schools in Berlin In 1938 Jews were barred from selling guns In 1938 Jews were forced to disclose their assets In 1938 Jews were forced to change their names to Jewish names In 1938 Jews were forced to carry identity cards marked with a J In 1938 Kristallnacht happened In 1938 Jews were barred from cinemas, theatres, schools, universities, and sports facilities In 1939 Jews were forced to surrender their precious metals and stoles to the state without compensation In 1939 Jews were stripped of their citizenship A lot of apologists for the Nazi collaborators in Germany and the sympathizers abroad like to claim that nobody knew how bad it was in Germany until they found the camps in 1945. What Germany was doing to its Jews was public knowledge worldwide. They didn't know it was zyklon b but they knew that Germany was violently antisemitic, that Hitler had a stated goal of the destruction of the Jewish people, and that it was rounding them up. You're either deliberately or accidentally parroting the "how could we have known" lie. They knew. Everyone knew. They just didn't care. | ||
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KwarK
United States43403 Posts
On May 18 2021 23:44 JimmiC wrote: and this is one of the patently false statements he made directly opposed by his own source. Is your argument that Lehi weren't fascist Zionists or that they were fascist Zionists but Lehi didn't get the Lehi medals? You're doing that thing where you state your disagreement without actually stating what you disagree with. In any case, Lehi did get the Lehi medal which was the medal Israel gave to people who were in Lehi, as the name implies. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States43403 Posts
That quote damns the British, it doesn't celebrate them. Are you actually incapable of reading? It's not so much that nobody cared as it was that nobody cared enough to actually bleed for it. Britain made a good faith effort to protect the Palestinians until it became clear that the only people who gave a shit about the Palestinians were the Palestinians. I wrote that the British tried to protect Palestine until they were asked to bleed to protect Palestine and then they bailed. You're taking snippets and pretending they say the exact opposite, despite knowing what I mean because you read the whole paragraph. You knew my purpose was to condemn the British because I opened with “the blame principally falls on the British”. If I said that I made a good faith effort not to fuck your mother until I saw your mother at which point I promptly fucked her would you view that statement as a commendation of my devotion to chastity or would you instead question how committed I had been? | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4739 Posts
Mass executions were known from Russian sources since 1941 and first news about gas chambers has been published in June 1942 https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/news-of-death-camp-killings-becomes-public-for-first-time | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Broetchenholer
Germany1947 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2777 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3265 Posts
Things aren’t peaceful in Palestine His attempt to create a non-biased summary is amusing. Some of that is just Kwark, but it’s also indicative of the degree to which basic facts of the conflict aren’t agreed upon. | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On May 19 2021 03:55 ChristianS wrote: For those who don’t follow the feedback thread, Kwark created a dedicated Israel-Palestine thread: Things aren’t peaceful in Palestine His attempt to create a non-biased summary is amusing. Some of that is just Kwark, but it’s also indicative of the degree to which basic facts of the conflict aren’t agreed upon. An astute description  | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
Also lmao at Kwark’s new thread | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45196 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On May 19 2021 05:53 plasmidghost wrote: I'm extremely stressed and disheartened hearing about all these anti-trans bills everywhere. Tennessee just mandated that all business must state if they accept trans people in their restrooms. Is that constitutional? I really hope this is being challenged in court somewhere | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45196 Posts
On May 19 2021 05:53 plasmidghost wrote: I'm extremely stressed and disheartened hearing about all these anti-trans bills everywhere. Tennessee just mandated that all business must state if they accept trans people in their restrooms. There are hundreds of bills like this. It's so much. So does that mean there basically needs to be a sign hanging in a business / by a restroom clarifying that trans people are (or are not) allowed to use the bathroom that matches with their preferred gender? | ||
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KwarK
United States43403 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11706 Posts
On May 19 2021 06:10 KwarK wrote: If there wasn’t such a risk of violence against trans people it would be comically misdirected. One can imagine passing trans men forced into the women’s bathrooms and explaining to baffled lawmakers that this is what their policy looks like. That letting people use the bathroom of their gender basically results in everything working out while forcing people to use the wrong bathroom immediately looks wrong. But then we remember that trans people are routinely assaulted and that this law essentially forces them to choose between breaking the law for their own safety or outing themselves and the comedy becomes tragedy. And just the total absurdity of so much energy and effort being put into something which is essentially a complete non-problem.Some people identify with a gender that is not the sex they were assigned at birth based on what a doctor though upon looking at their genitals for 3 seconds. There is just no reason to act here, and one would assume that the legislature would have better things to do, and if not, at least just enjoy a day of instead. It is completely baffling to me how much effort these people waste on something that could simply be solved by complete non-action, since there is no problem to begin with. Are there no real problems in those states that their legislature could focus on? | ||
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