EPTGod I hope we see that party happen so the Republicans can bleed out and die though, seriously.
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Zambrah
United States7384 Posts
God I hope we see that party happen so the Republicans can bleed out and die though, seriously. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32743 Posts
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StalkerTL
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On February 11 2021 07:00 Liquid`Drone wrote: Shouldn't successfully impeaching him be in their best interests then, as it'd kill Trump's chances at becoming president for a third party. And there's no way Trump dedicates himself to a party to prop some other guy up to be president - the main package he's selling is himself. (I mean, addressing the Trump's new party part of that poll. I get how the 71/29 is influential either way.) There’s problems with that. A substantial chunk of the Republican Party are terrified of their own base from both a political and physical standpoint, especially if Leahy’s lunch with Republicans after the Capitol attack is to be believed. They basically told him that they don’t believe the election fraud claims but have to keep saying it so their base doesn’t tear them apart. The others are shameless opportunistic assholes trying to position themselves during this power vacuum that Trump seems to have left. And then you’ve got true believers who are so upset with the world that they kind of want the world to burn to soothe their soul. When you learn that Ted Cruz is a huge a US pop culture nerd, it makes sense why he is who he is. The man is hated by every creator of his favourite pop culture for consistently misinterpreting their work and just being an awful person. At this point, owning the libs is the only thing he really openly believes in. | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
On February 11 2021 07:24 PhoenixVoid wrote: I do see the value of impeachment in settling the public narrative and working as a commission of sorts. Directly link Trump to this riot, show that members of Congress were mere seconds away from severe harm or death, and valiant police officers were threatened, injured or killed by the mob. It's highly unlikely that Trump is convicted, but set the story for the record that Trump and his acolytes was complicit in this assault on democracy and are not friends to law enforcement or order. Indeed, and making a point of getting this onto the public record has even more teeth as fools like Michigan State Senator Mike Shirkey keep reminding everyone that a fair number of major Republican figures are still peddling the dangerous conspiracy nonsense that played a role in the January 6th insurrection. Unless and until those people are dropped from the party in a public way, I think keeping January 6th in the spotlight is a good move for Democrats across the board. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 11 2021 05:49 Simberto wrote: Honestly, just Trumps (lack of) ideals and general desire to become an autocratic ruler combined with Obamas competency could have been enough to break US democracy. Imagine a person who does all the things Trump did, but well. Imagine a president who sets up their private army of brownshirts, but also corrupts all power with people personally loyal to them. Do the Trump personal loyalty thing, but well, and without constantly pissing off everyone. Then, during the covid crisis, they push through a bunch of additional personal emergency powers. Have their personal goons patrol the streets to enforce a curfew or something like that. Get reelected and have four more years to strengthen their personal power. This president never leaves office. I think people are missing a bit about fascists and the people who support them. The showy incompetence is part of their draw. A competent fascist is terrifying, but it's also a recipe for not being popular. Plans to assassinate Hitler were tabled as it was viewed that he was so incompetent that any replacement would be better at accomplishing his goals during the war. His speeches were filled with obvious contradictions and generally nonsensical. Their pure incompetence and braggadocio is how they convince the common person that they're like them. The gaslighting of their supporters convinces them to back the fascist ever more deeply tying it to their identity. If they didn't have to flip flop around insane lies for their leader, they would have less of their identity wound up in them. The loathsome behavior also isolates their supporters from outsiders. It is basically a mass cult. Meanwhile, a slightly more intelligent fascist like Miller just hitches their wagon to a more popular one as they inspire nothing in anyone. | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
It’s an interesting thing to follow. There are a lot of German made violins of pretty poor quality in America for this reason. Trump’s appeal is the same. The world is out to kneecap them, particularly men, and he’s a shining beacon where no one can touch him no matter what he does or says. It’s all grievances and making people pay for making them feel bad. It ties very neatly with people acting like 3 year children when asked to wear masks, social distancing, trying to respect people who ask the wider public to not use certain words when talking about them, etc. Edit: Great, Tucker is saying the Democrats are treating the Capitol attack as a genocide attempt and are going to respond accordingly by beefing up the deep state or something along those lines. Zero hope for this country. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26074 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On February 11 2021 11:22 WombaT wrote: Anything interesting in terms of previously unseen evidence been introduced thus far? They included actual capitol security camera footage to flesh out how close to danger the politicans really were. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On February 11 2021 11:01 JimmiC wrote: I have been reading about some of the people who have been arrested and I have noticed a lot of them are really mad about being leftist, antifa and so on and some are becoming almost anti Trump as they feel betrayed that they were doing this for him, and to fight the deep state and then when it failed he bailed and the GOP have been very negative towards him. I am wondering if this could be the basis of some really effective political commercials and social media campaigns where the actual people talk about who they are, why they supported Trump and how fast him and the GOP threw them to the curb and disavowed them when it suited them better. Maybe ex cult of Trump members are the best ones to help the ones currently with in it. Nah, they'll just say the global elite pedophile cabal supported by the Democrats (a thing QAnon supporters actually believe) got to them and "turned" them with some bullshit mind control conspiracy theory. There's always a new low to reach with these kinds of things. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8642 Posts
On February 11 2021 11:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: They included actual capitol security camera footage to flesh out how close to danger the politicans really were. it's nothing "actual" new as people following this spectacle have been graced with an insane amount of footage already. though a different pov gives a more complete picture nonetheless. for people interested: https://www.c-span.org/video/?508741-1/impeachment-trial | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
You see Mitt Romney almost walking towards the mob before a sprinting officer Goodman (of the staircase-video fame) tells him to turn around and go the other way. Knowing the hate for Romney in the trumpist mob this might've very well saved Romney from harm. You see how Pelosi staffers lock themselves in a room and how minutes later rioters walk through those same corridors and are trying to break down that same door. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8642 Posts
we already knew that if the mob was only a couple minutes faster things could have gone very differently for senators and congress people, or that staffers barricaded inside of offices seeking shelter. the footage and pov indeed is new as it includes security footage previously unreleased. the house managers indeed did a great job connecting the dots and building a highly convincing case. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8642 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8642 Posts
Dozens of former Republican officials, who view the party as unwilling to stand up to former President Donald Trump and his attempts to undermine U.S. democracy, are in talks to form a center-right breakaway party, four people involved in the discussions told Reuters. The early stage discussions include former elected Republicans, former officials in the Republican administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Trump, ex-Republican ambassadors and Republican strategists, the people involved say. More than 120 of them held a Zoom call last Friday to discuss the breakaway group, which would run on a platform of "principled conservatism," including adherence to the Constitution and the rule of law - ideas those involved say have been trashed by Trump. Chances of that happening seem kinda slim as "the winner takes all" voting system would need to be no more, the implications are very intriguing however. It could very well open the floodgates for the same thing happening on the left, and more nuanced takes and opinions would find their way into respective new parties. voters would actually care for their vote in every state! | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On February 11 2021 15:39 Doublemint wrote: Dozens of former Republican officials in talks to form anti-Trump third party - via reuters Chances of that happening seem kinda slim as "the winner takes all" voting system would need to be no more, the implications are very intriguing however. It could very well open the floodgates for the same thing happening on the left, and more nuanced takes and opinions would find their way into respective new parties. voters would actually care for their vote in every state! Trump forming his own anti-Republican party, disgruntled Republicans forming their own anti-Trump party, and all the other Republicans stuck in their current party. A 3-way split of the right-leaning vote would be a nightmare for Mitch and the gang. If this comes to fruition, it'll take a lot to make sure rightwing politics in the US aren't a total failure for the next few decades. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21957 Posts
On February 11 2021 15:39 Doublemint wrote: I don't think such a party would aim to actually win, because as you say its nigh impossible in a FPTP election. Dozens of former Republican officials in talks to form anti-Trump third party - via reuters Chances of that happening seem kinda slim as "the winner takes all" voting system would need to be no more, the implications are very intriguing however. It could very well open the floodgates for the same thing happening on the left, and more nuanced takes and opinions would find their way into respective new parties. voters would actually care for their vote in every state! This would make more sense to be used as a threat to try and get the GOP to distance itself from Trump. | ||
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Shingi11
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