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On December 14 2020 03:40 Mohdoo wrote:
Remember when Nettles talked about pizzagate being real? Uranium one? Why in the world do you guys even respond to him
Because he doesn't post personal crackpot theories, he tends to only bring up narratives that are popular with a large chunk of people. I never have any expectation from him to reply back or absorb anything, I'm engaging with the topic rather than with him.
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Red state America would be just fine in the event of a national divorce. People claiming otherwise are just looney.
The more likely outcome is an extension of what we’re seeing brewing today. Two societies within one nation. Two divisions of media companies. Banks that let you use their cards to buy guns and banks that don’t (Ex). Websites where you can question transgender athletes, and culture war stuff, and those that ban it for discrimination. Separate knitting and sharing patterns communities online. Stuff like you’re currently seeing with twitter/parler, but a more evolved divide than today’s interaction. The soft cultural divide being expressed in commercial places is kinda likely, the actual secession storyline is pretty unlikely, save for some extreme event in the future. Somebody else already made the other points I’d bring up.
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Only in this thread are predictions of non-disaster the bold prediction, and predictions of absolute catastrophe is the accepted truth.
Yes, I’m dismissing it out of hand and not providing evidence. Looking at the previous discussions of GDP, literacy, and IQ, I think that’s kinda what you bunch actually want and deserve. Let’s call it my unfounded opinion on the matter, not my opening debate stance to persuade the unpersuadable. Astute readers will follow me to my main point about the more likely outcome, and know that dismissing an option out of hand is my opinion on the value of debating that likelihood (see also debating if Biden will give his first presidential speech wearing a pink dress, or if Kamala will be the sole foreign envoy of the US for the entire first year of the Biden administration)
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I mean, Parler seems like a great example of how a cultural partition won’t solve anything. Not saying it won’t happen, just don’t think it will really release any tension.
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Parler itself is a sucky product. I expect the philosophical divide between parler and twitter to be repeated in better products in the next ten years. See my prior links for the hints and suggestions that it will be true in the future.
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I mean, we’ve had AMAC and Conservapedia before, but the problem with that type of scheme is that you don’t get “two products, one conservative one liberal.” You get “the product, and the conservative-only alternative.” One exists primarily for the product’s purpose and maybe takes on secondary political characteristics; for the other politics is a founding principle. Even if they overcame the initial perception as a weird off-brand, two parallel institutions serving the same population with the only distinguishing factor being a largely-irrelevant political bent isn’t likely to be a stable equilibrium.
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On December 14 2020 03:40 Mohdoo wrote:
Remember when Nettles talked about pizzagate being real? Uranium one? Why in the world do you guys even respond to him Because some people are terrible at refuting him and act like he whatever he writes is a legitimate discussion.
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Red states succeeding would be a nightmare with how interdependent the nations would have to be. Brexit is a clear example of the most microscopic version of it.
Getting things from red to blue to red and vice versa would never be negotiable and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot that shouldn't be listened to.
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Brexit is also a clear example of how something being a nightmarishly poor non-solution to a problem is no obstacle for it to be the one chosen by broad swaths of the populace. Heck, so is Trump; some people thought he would actually improve healthcare (and believe he still will!).
That said, the current faction huffing and puffing about leaving the US has no real will to tolerate personal danger and personal inconvenience-they really just want to preen for the base, and have no plans to put the logistical wheels in motion necessary.
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On December 14 2020 11:25 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Brexit is also a clear example of how something being a nightmarishly poor non-solution to a problem is no obstacle for it to be the one chosen by broad swaths of the populace. Heck, so is Trump; some people thought he would actually improve healthcare (and believe he still will!).
That said, the current faction huffing and puffing about leaving the US has no real will to tolerate personal danger and personal inconvenience-they really just want to preen for the base, and have no plans to put the logistical wheels in motion necessary.
I mean, your second paragraph is precisely what people said about the Brexiteers and look how that worked out... xd
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Well yeah. The awful thing was that the Brexiteers actually put the logistical wheels in motion with the referendum. It remains to be seen whether the morons in charge of the GOP will make the same mistake to preen for Trump-the saving grace is that the only true believers seem too out of touch with how the government functions to even know what levers they would have to push (e.g. Trump doesn't know what a referendum is or how you would get one on the ballot in the relevant states).
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On December 14 2020 07:34 ChristianS wrote:
I mean, we’ve had AMAC and Conservapedia before, but the problem with that type of scheme is that you don’t get “two products, one conservative one liberal.” You get “the product, and the conservative-only alternative.” One exists primarily for the product’s purpose and maybe takes on secondary political characteristics; for the other politics is a founding principle. Even if they overcame the initial perception as a weird off-brand, two parallel institutions serving the same population with the only distinguishing factor being a largely-irrelevant political bent isn’t likely to be a stable equilibrium.
There's also the fact that these media platforms don't exist independently, but rather many of them are part of a larger suite of web services offered by a large tech corporation, and many of those services are inherently apolitical in nature. A politically-slanted version of that media platform could not replicate those other services.
The obvious example here is Youtube, where Youtube exists in the context of the wider suite of services that Google provides. "Conservative Youtube" would never have a chance as a legitimate competitor to Youtube because Youtube is fed traffic by literally everything else Google does. Transitioning from one to the other isn't a matter of changing one platform, it changes how you interact with the internet as a whole (e.g. Google Video Search being essentially useless to you if you only care about seeing content from "Conservative Youtube").
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Sure, but I think it’s true even outside of tech platforms. It seems unlikely that communities will have conservative and liberal grocery stores, conservative and liberal dry cleaners, etc. I don’t get the impression that XFL has been especially successful in its rebirth as football for Trump supporters (though admittedly I don’t exactly follow sports league financial news very closely).
Where large markets are already choosing from dozens of options, political bent can certainly be one distinguishing factor (e.g. colleges or news channels). But as a rule, if politics isn’t very important to a business then two parallel institutions is inefficient. And if it is important (e.g. Twitter), a niche splinter platform inhabited only by people who agree with you tends to be boring.
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I’m excited for Trump to tweet something about how electors don’t decide elections, newsmax does
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I see You guys talk about split/secession but i havent seen any news regarding that. Does this have any real traction or is it just talked about on political boards?
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On December 14 2020 17:22 Silvanel wrote:
I see You guys talk about split/secession but i havent seen any news regarding that. Does this have any real traction or is it just talked about on political boards?
Secession has been a political talking point for a long time, particularly in Texas.
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Yeah, i know. But it is still only a talking point, right? Noone has actually taken any steps towards it?
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