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farvacola
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Sadist
United States7227 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21667 Posts
On December 01 2020 01:11 Sadist wrote: He might go with that angle yes.Anyone think he wants to run in 2024 to avoid potential legal troubles/charges? Like if he states his intent now to run in 2024 hell pull the government is corrupt and shouldnt be investigating political opponents/candidates card. Its clearly bullshit but that seems to be a possible plan if you declare now that you will run again in 2024. But I expect prosecutors to not give a shit. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 01 2020 01:11 Sadist wrote: Anyone think he wants to run in 2024 to avoid potential legal troubles/charges? Like if he states his intent now to run in 2024 hell pull the government is corrupt and shouldnt be investigating political opponents/candidates card. Its clearly bullshit but that seems to be a possible plan if you declare now that you will run again in 2024. Wouldn't work. The actual Presidency is the only office in the country with the bullshit "can't be prosecuted" policy. Which, btw, is from Nixon's DoJ. Every court in the land who has gotten a say on it has knocked it aside as nonsense. If Biden wanted, he could overturn it day 1. He won't because it only protects the sitting president, but he could. Running for presidency is no legal shield at all or every criminal in the country would be doing it. | ||
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Sadist
United States7227 Posts
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Nevuk
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Yurie
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On December 01 2020 02:20 TheTenthDoc wrote: The answer, as with most things Trump, is money. He wants to keep the grifts going. He wants to keep soliciting donations "for 2020" he can use, thanks to fine print, to offset his current huge campaign debts and upcoming legal costs. Would make much more sense to strike a deal with Russia or North Korea. Sell all his US property for pennies on the dollar and then leave. His debt would be even higher but he would also have millions in assets and be able to ignore it. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Per ABC reporter. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On December 01 2020 03:21 Yurie wrote: Would make much more sense to strike a deal with Russia or North Korea. Sell all his US property for pennies on the dollar and then leave. His debt would be even higher but he would also have millions in assets and be able to ignore it. Por que no los dos? After all, it's not like Russia/NK want Trump physically there-they'd rather just pick his mushy brain for intel and leave him in the US to run again and hopefully continue pushing his narratives. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 01 2020 03:58 Nevuk wrote: AZ has certified their vote. In the midst of Trump's hearing to complain about it, amusingly. The senate balance will be 52-48 instead of 53-47 as of tomorrow. Per ABC reporter. https://twitter.com/Meg_Cunn/status/1333476098701713409 You must mean 48-50. Neither Georgia Republican senatorial candidate won over 50% of the vote, so they both must compete in a runoff election in January. The possibilities are 50-50 Democratic or 51-49 52-48 Republican. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 01 2020 04:32 Danglars wrote: You must mean 48-50. Neither Georgia Republican senatorial candidate won over 50% of the vote, so they both must compete in a runoff election in January. The possibilities are 50-50 Democratic or 51-49 52-48 Republican. No, I mean 52-48. I'm referring strictly to the period from now until the runoffs are done. The AZ senator, Mark Kelly, gets seated tomorrow as it was a special election. I'm not really sure if it matters THAT much, since it's only a month, but it does narrow the margin McConnell can whip votes with. (You're correct on after January though). | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 01 2020 04:34 Nevuk wrote: No, I mean 52-48. I'm referring strictly to the period from now until the runoffs are done. The AZ senator, Mark Kelly, gets seated tomorrow as it was a special election. I'm not really sure if it matters THAT much, since it's only a month, but it does narrow the margin McConnell can whip votes with. (You're correct on after January though). Oh ok you’re talking the lame duck season. Alright, two months of that lead for Republicans, and possibly two years if all goes well for my party. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
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farvacola
United States18825 Posts
On December 01 2020 05:21 iamthedave wrote: Biden seems set to be in a rough position going into his Presidency. Does he have an avenue to actually get anything done? His single biggest point of leverage is student loans. Even if he's not keen on the dramatic kind of forgiveness that would actually make a difference, he can validly threaten to cancel every dollar of federal student loan debt and work from there. Will he do that? Ehh, his choice of Neera Tanden for OMB does not augur towards yes, but at this point I think everything possible by executive action is on the table. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On December 01 2020 05:25 farvacola wrote: His single biggest point of leverage is student loans. Even if he's not keen on the dramatic kind of forgiveness that would actually make a difference, he can validly threaten to cancel every dollar of federal student loan debt and work from there. Will he do that? Ehh, his choice of Neera Tanden for OMB does not augur towards yes, but at this point I think everything possible by executive action is on the table. It's definitely much easier to cancel student loans that aren't being paid than ones that are, e.g. by executive order. To cancel the latter, you have to either squeeze more money out of Congress or accept a huge new hole in the budget - in this context, I believe student loan income funds further federal student aid. Not only is that questionable policy in general, but also that sounds like more than Biden would be willing to do. More than he promised as well. Some folks just dream of their student loans disappearing one day, like a miracle, but Biden is not that miracle. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Imagine a Republican president deciding certain kinds of taxes were too high or unfair and dictating to the IRS to cease collecting them (let’s say payroll tax) or issue no penalties for nonpayment. I don’t think it’s even desirable to give presidents that kind of power, assuming some court decides it’s constitutionally allowable. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
On December 01 2020 01:09 Nevuk wrote: You just lie on your card at the end. On top of moving the ball around like Yurie said. While your opponent does watch you, it's not like they're really recording every single swing you make, and if they are, you just say "oh, I guess I miscounted" and accuse them of being a poor sport. Golfer stepping in to answer this: yeah pretty much. You "miscount" strokes, you improve your lie, you avoid penalties by "finding" your ball when in reality it went out of bounds or into a hazard. There's no doubt with Trump's swing that he's a liar, just like he's a liar in the White House. A golfer's personality translates directly to their playstyle, case in point: Patrick Reed is an asshole who has cheated many times on the tour (improving lie many times). The fact that he's not banned still pisses me off. On December 01 2020 05:57 Danglars wrote: Canceling student loan debt would be unlikely to survive legal challenge if made by the president and not by act of Congress. Imagine a Republican president deciding certain kinds of taxes were too high or unfair and dictating to the IRS to cease collecting them (let’s say payroll tax) or issue no penalties for nonpayment. I don’t think it’s even desirable to give presidents that kind of power, assuming some court decides it’s constitutionally allowable. Rather than just say that it wouldn't survive a legal challenge, would you care to submit to us the Constitutional section or relevant USC rule that states the president cannot do something like cancel student loan debt via executive powers? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11507 Posts
On December 01 2020 05:57 Danglars wrote: Canceling student loan debt would be unlikely to survive legal challenge if made by the president and not by act of Congress. Imagine a Republican president deciding certain kinds of taxes were too high or unfair and dictating to the IRS to cease collecting them (let’s say payroll tax) or issue no penalties for nonpayment. I don’t think it’s even desirable to give presidents that kind of power, assuming some court decides it’s constitutionally allowable. As opposed to just making sure that the IRS doesn't have enough money to actually collect the taxes of the superrich, despite that being both fair and a net positive? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On December 01 2020 05:59 FlaShFTW wrote: Golfer stepping in to answer this: yeah pretty much. You "miscount" strokes, you improve your lie, you avoid penalties by "finding" your ball when in reality it went out of bounds or into a hazard. There's no doubt with Trump's swing that he's a liar, just like he's a liar in the White House. A golfer's personality translates directly to their playstyle, case in point: Patrick Reed is an asshole who has cheated many times on the tour (improving lie many times). The fact that he's not banned still pisses me off. Rather than just say that it wouldn't survive a legal challenge, would you care to submit to us the Constitutional section or relevant USC rule that states the president cannot do something like cancel student loan debt via executive powers? Simply put, the power of the purse is in Congress. Tax, spend, appropriations, subsidies. You can appeal to some of the lawyers around these parts for the argument that something in the Higher Education Act can be twisted to support this. You should know when asking a conservative that it involves where in the constitution and its amendments that it grants the executive branch the power to do it, rather than deny him/her the power. The executive powers are not expansive such that they must be specifically constrained or the authority rests in that branch. | ||
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