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On October 17 2020 23:55 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2020 23:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 17 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Do people remember The Guardian was a tabloid when it ran that fictional Manafort meets Assange story that Democrats didn't immediately write off as tabloid trash? That's nothing to do with whether or not the Guardian is tabloid though (it isn't) It does/is? The Guardian newspaper adopts tabloid format You MUST know that "tabloid" in that context has nothing to do with the format and that the Guardian is not what we call "tabloid press" regardless of what size it's printed?
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On October 17 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Do people remember The Guardian was a tabloid when it ran that fictional Manafort meets Assange story that Democrats didn't immediately write off as tabloid trash? I do recall it being pointed out at the time, that the guardian wasn't quite as reputable as, say, the NYT or your average local paper. Especially once other papers started refusing to confirm the story.
This is all just sort of semantics, though. The Guardian not being as reputable as the NYT doesn't mean it's trash. The NY Post is very trashy and one of the less reputable newspapers around. Even its normal stories need extra confirmation. That doesn't mean they can't break a story or do good reporting, just that it's a good idea to wait for outside confirmation on something very controversial (which we've not gotten yet. This is a sign of something being weird with the story - if it were easy to prove or disprove it should have happened by now).
Generally, super controversial stories need outside confirmation, even if they're done by someone with a flawless record.
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On October 17 2020 23:57 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2020 23:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 17 2020 23:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 17 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Do people remember The Guardian was a tabloid when it ran that fictional Manafort meets Assange story that Democrats didn't immediately write off as tabloid trash? That's nothing to do with whether or not the Guardian is tabloid though (it isn't) It does/is? The Guardian newspaper adopts tabloid format Shows what I know lol. I guess that's how dead the newspaper industry is. The last time I saw a Guardian newspaper it was a broadsheet. Like you said shows what you know. I doubt the last time you saw a newspaper was 2 years ago, so surely some cognitive dissonance should have occured when you read what Gh wrote. It's tabloid format, as in the newspaper is physically printed on smaller pages, whereas broadsheets are printed on large pages. The Guardian is not regarded as tabloid trash. You'll think you would have learnt not to take GH at face value anymore, but apparently not.
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I did have a good laugh though
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Insert something about the meaning of words and its importance in communicating ideas and the manipulation on the easily influenced by twisting words around.
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On October 18 2020 00:07 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Do people remember The Guardian was a tabloid when it ran that fictional Manafort meets Assange story that Democrats didn't immediately write off as tabloid trash? I do recall it being pointed out at the time, that the guardian wasn't quite as reputable as, say, the NYT or your average local paper. Especially once other papers started refusing to confirm the story. There was usually a "if true" when other outlets ran their clickbait headlines about it. That was partially because the story had no credibility to begin with but fit a narrative.
I was just reading on about the definition of tabloid and their audience and I thought it of note. Aside from the literal definition of tabloid I think cable/broadcast news is largely of the same ilk. It's sensationalist yellow journalism. Russiagate is a fair example of Democrats falling for the same sensationalism washed through a format that makes them feel like intelligent discerning people.
Note how C-Span fired (I guess he was "suspended indefinitely", so we'll see if it sticks) the guy for lying about being hacked whereas MSNBC gave Joy Reid a promotion after her time traveling Russian hackers nonsense.
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On October 17 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Do people remember The Guardian was a tabloid when it ran that fictional Manafort meets Assange story that Democrats didn't immediately write off as tabloid trash?
A marvelous second American restating tabloid in the pejorative and the literal sense.
On October 18 2020 00:16 GreenHorizons wrote: I was just reading on about the definition of tabloid and their audience and I thought it of note. Aside from the literal definition of tabloid I think cable/broadcast news is largely of the same ilk. It's sensationalist yellow journalism. Russiagate is a fair example of Democrats falling for the same sensationalism washed through a format that makes them feel like intelligent discerning people.
Note how C-Span fired the guy for lying about being hacked whereas MSNBC gave Joy Reid a promotion after her time traveling Russian hackers nonsense. Good luck with the Democratic party and the revolution. Your dialogues are much more preferable to using Russian conspiracies in place of actual scandal and criticism.
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On October 17 2020 22:53 Uldridge wrote:Sometimes I wonder how far astray you guys are from the average joe when talking in here. Things like Show nested quote +On October 17 2020 21:01 Belisarius wrote: I have wondered that myself for a very long time. I don't know who the target audience is for this trash, but it's not me.
There are dozens of these rags in every country, though, so that audience clearly exists. and Show nested quote +On October 17 2020 19:46 Simberto wrote: Looking at those NYP front pages, i really have to wonder what kind of person looks at that and thinks "Yeah, this is where i want to get my news from. This is surely high quality journalism". I really wonder who the kind of people are who read that kind of trash. Doesn't this set off peoples bullshit detectors? Because mine is going into overdrive just looking at those pages. At least 50% of people are not trained in critical thought. It's a skill that's developed. Sure, there's some innate critical thought you might have before cultivating it, but when you're locked into an echo chamber microcosm (parents, peers, teachers, colleagues, ..) that can be quickly stifled. It seems like there's a HUGE market for these tabloid things and pop bs journalism, because that's clearly a market that's profitable or people wouldn't consume it like they do. You're overestimating the general population because of confirmation bias in your own social sphere. The echo chamber in this case is everybody telling themselves that the average joe that disagrees with you are not trained in critical thought and dwelling in their own echo chambers. I don't think forming this echo chamber is justified or even elevated above the echo chambers it purports to combat.
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I think poor sourcing, unethical anonymity, sensationalist presentation, etc are all important things to keep in mind when ingesting 'news' regardless of the publication.
Remember it was publications like the NYT that helped deceive people into the Iraq war by acting as stenographers and propagandists for the Bush Administration (the most egregious and fatal journalistic failure of the last 20 years maybe?) .
It's not about finding a publication free from an agenda/perspective/bias, it's about recognizing the ones whatever you're reading/watching has and accounting for them in your interpretation of whatever information is mixed in imo.
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It happened. This thread became an echo chamber chamber.
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Good thing that now we now know that a quality newspaper printed in small format stating a neutral fact is "a tabloid spreading propaganda" since "propaganda" means "any information at all" in the "marxist sense" and that we are going to totally disregard the fact that when people talk about tabloids it has nothing to do with the format.
But details, details! Behold the magic of the thread operating in front of your eyes gentlemen.
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On October 18 2020 00:16 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2020 00:07 Nevuk wrote:On October 17 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Do people remember The Guardian was a tabloid when it ran that fictional Manafort meets Assange story that Democrats didn't immediately write off as tabloid trash? I do recall it being pointed out at the time, that the guardian wasn't quite as reputable as, say, the NYT or your average local paper. Especially once other papers started refusing to confirm the story. There was usually a "if true" when other outlets ran their clickbait headlines about it. That was partially because the story had no credibility to begin with but fit a narrative. I was just reading on about the definition of tabloid and their audience and I thought it of note. Aside from the literal definition of tabloid I think cable/broadcast news is largely of the same ilk. It's sensationalist yellow journalism. Russiagate is a fair example of Democrats falling for the same sensationalism washed through a format that makes them feel like intelligent discerning people. Russiagate got sensationalized, sure, but it is a thing that definitely happened. Russia really did hack the DNC and release Podesta's emails in order to influence the election. Trump Jr definitely tried to arrange for collusion, but failed at it due to his own incompetence.
It wasn't just democrats who thought that, btw. Remember when Kevin Mccarthy, house GOP leader, was caught on hot mic saying he thought two people were on Putin's payroll - Trump and Dana Rohrbacher?
With all the facts we have now, it's far stranger that Trump really was ignorant of it all, given his open deference to Putin. It's probably explained by some of his mysterious financing instead of any quid pro quo in the campaign, or by his preference for strongman dictators.
Note how C-Span fired (I guess he was "suspended indefinitely", so we'll see if it sticks) the guy for lying about being hacked whereas MSNBC gave Joy Reid a promotion after her time traveling Russian hackers nonsense.
We're definitely in agreement here. C-Span is quite possibly the only 24/7 network worth watching, and that's partially because it's boring as hell.
I'd call all the others entertainment masquerading as news. MSNBC is awful, with a huge pro-corporate bias. I do like a couple of their personalities, but their historical record as a channel is pretty bad. CNN was possibly Trump's largest campaign contributor in 2015 and 2016. Fox is well, entertainment, not news, by their own admission (a couple hours a day they pretend to be news, but even then they'll report on the things said by their opinion shows as items of import).
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Dear diary, Saturday the 17th October 2020. My takeaways in my pursuit of knowledge from today’s browsing of the US Politics Megathread.
The New York Post is not a tabloid. The Guardian is a tabloid.
Add to mental notes.
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Hunter (as a self-admitted cocaine/crack addict) got a lucrative no-show job for a foreign company that wanted to buy influence/access. That happened.
A common form of rudimentary corruption we've come to normalize (though Trump reminded us it can be far more egregious and the justice system is largely incapable of confronting it).
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On October 18 2020 00:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2020 23:57 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 17 2020 23:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 17 2020 23:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 17 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Do people remember The Guardian was a tabloid when it ran that fictional Manafort meets Assange story that Democrats didn't immediately write off as tabloid trash? That's nothing to do with whether or not the Guardian is tabloid though (it isn't) It does/is? The Guardian newspaper adopts tabloid format Shows what I know lol. I guess that's how dead the newspaper industry is. The last time I saw a Guardian newspaper it was a broadsheet. Like you said shows what you know. I doubt the last time you saw a newspaper was 2 years ago, so surely some cognitive dissonance should have occured when you read what Gh wrote. It's tabloid format, as in the newspaper is physically printed on smaller pages, whereas broadsheets are printed on large pages. The Guardian is not regarded as tabloid trash. You'll think you would have learnt not to take GH at face value anymore, but apparently not. You're telling me this isn't the paper size mega-thread?
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On October 18 2020 00:50 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2020 00:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2020 00:07 Nevuk wrote:On October 17 2020 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Do people remember The Guardian was a tabloid when it ran that fictional Manafort meets Assange story that Democrats didn't immediately write off as tabloid trash? I do recall it being pointed out at the time, that the guardian wasn't quite as reputable as, say, the NYT or your average local paper. Especially once other papers started refusing to confirm the story. There was usually a "if true" when other outlets ran their clickbait headlines about it. That was partially because the story had no credibility to begin with but fit a narrative. I was just reading on about the definition of tabloid and their audience and I thought it of note. Aside from the literal definition of tabloid I think cable/broadcast news is largely of the same ilk. It's sensationalist yellow journalism. Russiagate is a fair example of Democrats falling for the same sensationalism washed through a format that makes them feel like intelligent discerning people. Russiagate got sensationalized, sure, but it is a thing that definitely happened. Russia really did hack the DNC and release Podesta's emails in order to influence the election. Trump Jr definitely tried to arrange for collusion, but failed at it due to his own incompetence. It wasn't just democrats who thought that, btw. Remember when Kevin Mccarthy, house GOP leader, was caught on hot mic saying he thought two people were on Putin's payroll - Trump and Dana Rohrbacher? With all the facts we have now, it's far stranger that Trump really was ignorant of it all, given his open deference to Putin. It's probably explained by some of his mysterious financing instead of any quid pro quo in the campaign, or by his preference for strongman dictators. Show nested quote + Note how C-Span fired (I guess he was "suspended indefinitely", so we'll see if it sticks) the guy for lying about being hacked whereas MSNBC gave Joy Reid a promotion after her time traveling Russian hackers nonsense.
We're definitely in agreement here. C-Span is quite possibly the only 24/7 network worth watching, and that's partially because it's boring as hell. I'd call all the others entertainment masquerading as news. MSNBC is awful, with a huge pro-corporate bias. I do like a couple of their personalities, but their historical record as a channel is pretty bad. CNN was possibly Trump's largest campaign contributor in 2015 and 2016. Fox is well, entertainment, not news, by their own admission (a couple hours a day they pretend to be news, but even then they'll report on the things said by their opinion shows as items of import). I just want to point out that Podesta got fooled by an email and gave Russians his password. He and his team were imbeciles, and I don’t want Russia to get too much credit for the hack.
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The real danger for biden here is if he engaged in profit sharing with hunter while he was VP. Hunter's people are apparently starting to turn on him, so more could come out. For all we know the FBI has an active investigation on this, considering the FBI seized the contents of the computer shop laptop.
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On October 18 2020 01:47 Doodsmack wrote: The real danger for biden here is if he engaged in profit sharing with hunter while he was VP. Hunter's people are apparently starting to turn on him, so more could come out. For all we know the FBI has an active investigation on this, considering the FBI seized the contents of the computer shop laptop.
Yeah, nice of you to leave out that its supposedly an investigation into whether this is a Russian disinformation campaign rather then investigating Hunter Biden for some sort of crime.
Makes it all sound a lot different...
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Do you have any other source than the mouthpiece of dt ?
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