EPTAlso like how that AP story described the NY Post as a "tabloid." It would appear that AP is another anti-Trump outlet.
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Also like how that AP story described the NY Post as a "tabloid." It would appear that AP is another anti-Trump outlet. | ||
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WombaT
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 17 2020 09:46 WombaT wrote: Giuliani really is a worm of a human being. Can I say the same about Kamala? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
Did kamala lead a lynching ? Or is it just a bait on race/women ? | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On October 17 2020 09:21 Doodsmack wrote: Also like how that AP story described the NY Post as a "tabloid." It would appear that AP is another anti-Trump outlet. The number of acceptable news sources is rapidly dwindling eh dood. Whatever happened to journalistic standards? At least we still have Breitbart. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 17 2020 03:15 Starlightsun wrote: In addition to all the stuff already listed, I'd like to know how much money (much of it taxpayer) Trump has funneled into his Maralago property via his office. Also the nature of the business deals Jared Kushner, who has huge amounts of debt, has brokered during his "Middle East Peace Plan" and other high level assignments he had no qualifications for. I think the assassination of a high ranking Iranian general on foreign soil when we are not even at war with them should be tried as a crime internationally. The intentionally brutal and inhumane treatment of migrants at the southern border should also be a crime but I don't know if these last two could be prosecuted. State dept said it was going to release info on this today, but instead only released two pages out of a reported 450 and is trying to delay the release of the rest to after the election. Per David Farenthold, who has done a ton of investigation on trump's conflicts of interests in the past. And even what we do know from it is pretty damning as far as overcharging goes. This isn't earth shattering news or anything, just confirmation of what we all already suspected (I assume even Danglars thought that Trump was charging more than his stated 50$/night for government stays at his properties. Which, nothing wrong with that, and 650 could be perfectly reasonable. Depends on a lot of factors. It is wildly different from what was described, though). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45937 Posts
On October 17 2020 09:21 Doodsmack wrote: Also like how that AP story described the NY Post as a "tabloid." It would appear that AP is another anti-Trump outlet. The New York Post is literally a tabloid, by definition. If you're unsure of what a tabloid is, or why the New York Post is a tabloid, please refer to Exhibits A-E in the spoiler below. + Show Spoiler + A ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/rrHKqp3.png) B ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/qNPyLC4.png) C ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pWvpakZ.png) D ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/EW4XZKf.jpg) E ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/b1K3a9u.png) | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On October 17 2020 11:20 Nevuk wrote: State dept said it was going to release info on this today, but instead only released two pages out of a reported 450 and is trying to delay the release of the rest to after the election. Per David Farenthold, who has done a ton of investigation on trump's conflicts of interests in the past. And even what we do know from it is pretty damning as far as overcharging goes. https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1317208544731664384 A you can do is laugh at this point at how blatant it all is. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On October 17 2020 11:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The New York Post is literally a tabloid, by definition. If you're unsure of what a tabloid is, or why the New York Post is a tabloid, please refer to Exhibits A-E in the spoiler below. + Show Spoiler + A B C D E I dunno, "Bezos Exposes Pecker" is a pretty hard-hitting headline. Though I guess one could be charitable and see Dood confusing it with NYT? That's not the one being labeled a tabloid though. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 17 2020 09:21 Doodsmack wrote: The FBI is certainly familiar with Russian disinfo, being purveyors of the Steele dossier and all. Why aren't they investigating the NYT for being potentially tied to Chinese disinfo? I'm betting that, as bizarre as it is, Giuliani is actually in possession of a legit hard drive from the computer shop. Also like how that AP story described the NY Post as a "tabloid." It would appear that AP is another anti-Trump outlet. https://twitter.com/tombevanrcp/status/1315254934812659712 Just so you understand some more of why they're called a tabloid, this is their best ten covers. Highlights include "Bimbo summit," "Axis of Weasel," "Holy Shiite," "Madamn!" That's what I expect from my news sources. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Also like how that AP story described the NY Post as a "tabloid." It would appear that AP is another anti-Trump outlet. More in its dictionary definition style. Not in the pejorative sense. It’s a top-5 newspaper in the United States. Which is one of the reasons why its censorship on twitter was the stupidest battle to pick. Joe Biden was asked for comment for the NY Post Hunter Biden story at the center of the censorship discussion and it wasn’t so good: I don’t expect a lot of the typical posters to also note how awful it is for Biden to go after the media for just doing their jobs. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 17 2020 12:06 Danglars wrote: More in its dictionary definition style. Not in the pejorative sense. It’s a top-5 newspaper in the United States. Which is one of the reasons why its censorship on twitter was the stupidest battle to pick. Readership does not make something less of a tabloid. I mean, are you saying Daily Mail isn't a tabloid? It's the most read newspaper in the UK. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 17 2020 12:07 TheTenthDoc wrote: Readership does not make something less of a tabloid. I mean, are you saying Daily Mail isn't a tabloid? It's the most read newspaper in the UK. I know a little of the Daily Mail, but the NY Post has a ton of great writers and investigative journalism alongside the big photos and short stories. Maybe this is more of a US thing, but there’s a pejorative sense of the word as well as a more literal sense. Which is why Doodsmack’s comment makes sense, since it’s natural that some people only hear it to demean (for example) accurate reporting that you want to insult and diminish. New York Times, in that sense, has a lot of tabloid trash masquerading as serious news articles by poor excuses for journalists. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Zooper31
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Introvert
United States4951 Posts
On October 17 2020 12:06 Danglars wrote: More in its dictionary definition style. Not in the pejorative sense. It’s a top-5 newspaper in the United States. Which is one of the reasons why its censorship on twitter was the stupidest battle to pick. Joe Biden was asked for comment for the NY Post Hunter Biden story at the center of the censorship discussion and it wasn’t so good: https://twitter.com/boknowsnews/status/1317275294194085888 I don’t expect a lot of the typical posters to also note how awful it is for Biden to go after the media for just doing their jobs. Biden responds to any hard, or even fair, question the same way Pelosi does. They always atteck the person asking or just get angry. These people are so used to having the media on their side they can't handle anything moderately difficult. Even for all Hillary's excuse making, I don't know that I ever saw her respond the way some of these other Democrats do. Prob her experience in the 90s. As for the story , we'll see. Seems totally plausible and the statements coming from the Biden side seem carefully worded? The big tech blackout is certainly making this worse too. | ||
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m4ini
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On October 17 2020 12:12 Danglars wrote: I know a little of the Daily Mail, but the NY Post has a ton of great writers and investigative journalism alongside the big photos and short stories. Maybe this is more of a US thing, but there’s a pejorative sense of the word as well as a more literal sense. Which is why Doodsmack’s comment makes sense, since it’s natural that some people only hear it to demean (for example) accurate reporting that you want to insult and diminish. New York Times, in that sense, has a lot of tabloid trash masquerading as serious news articles by poor excuses for journalists. They also have a track record of having to settle defamation lawsuits for falsely accusing (sometimes even flat out stating) brown people for being terrorists, so their "investigative journalism" is to be taken with a healthy dose of salt. There's no bias if someone calls the NYP a tabloid. Calling it just "newspaper" is actually much more misleading. Of course, the fact that it's also rated the least-credible major news outlet in NY is.. not helping. What you could call it is "YAMT", or yet another murdoch tabloid. It's not a secret that since murdoch took over, it's a sensationalist tabloid riddled with advocacy. What you and Doodsmack are talking about is "yellow press". I'm not sure you should expect people to twist their (correct) definition of Tabloid because you feel offended by it, especially considering that yellow press is an american term. TMZ is a great example for that. But wait, there's more. Yellow journalism and the yellow press are American terms for journalism and associated newspapers that present little or no legitimate, well-researched news while instead using eye-catching headlines for increased sales. Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism. + Show Spoiler + Yeah.. It's a murdoch paper. Nothing else. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
They're a not for profit conglomeration of various media outlets, and set many of the journalistic standards regarding which terminology should be used in the US. They allow any paper to republish their articles with the paper's own editing. This helps cut down on duplicate work on bog standard stories about things like sports scores - if a story needs nothing but the plain facts, the AP is the group who writes it. The quoted part, where they say "critics of the plan reference it as court packing" is a factual statement. It expresses no opinion whatsoever. The truth is that court packing is such a new topic that its style guide probably hasn't been updated to deal with the terminology. There are definitely conservatives on their board of directors, which includes explicitly non-political media organizations such as ESPN. Basically, it's the hardest news org you could have picked to try to smear as being biased on a partisan basis. NPR is required due to their funding to be non-partisan and it would be easier to make the case for them than it is for the AP. On October 17 2020 12:55 Introvert wrote: Biden responds to any hard, or even fair, question the same way Pelosi does. They always atteck the person asking or just get angry. These people are so used to having the media on their side they can't handle anything moderately difficult. Even for all Hillary's excuse making, I don't know that I ever saw her respond the way some of these other Democrats do. Prob her experience in the 90s. As for the story , we'll see. Seems totally plausible and the statements coming from the Biden side seem carefully worded? The big tech blackout is certainly making this worse too. The irony here is staggering, considering that this is EXACTLY the way conservatives respond to their sources being questioned, especially if said sources have massive issues. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4416 Posts
On October 17 2020 12:37 Doodsmack wrote: Yeah I didn't realize the dictionary definition of tabloid. Clearly the AP used that term in order to bring to discredit the NYP by bringing to mind an outlet like the enquirer (celebrity grocery store tabloids). Bottom line though is that if an outlet has the documents in its possession, then that outlet has news. E.g. I credit the NYT fred trump story because of the documents (proof). For that story the NYT actually revealed and published the documents. The stuff released so far is tabloid worthy (Hunter with crack pipe in his mouth etc), but if what i have heard from Giuliani in interviews is correct and there are illegal photos and videos on the laptop + Show Spoiler + During FNC’s “Fox & Friends,” Giuliani said he and his lawyer were sent Hunter’s hard drive. The former mayor then claimed the “confidential information” and photos on the hard drive are “disgusting” and will “shock the hell out of you.” “It’s authentic as hell,” Giuliani claimed. “Those photographs are disgusting, and they make him a national security risk for the United States of America because every photograph I have, China has plus a lot more,” he said. “They reveal federal crimes, they reveal disgusting sexual behavior..." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-emails-hunter-joe-rudy-giuliani-photos-texts-emails | ||
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Starlightsun
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