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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On September 24 2020 04:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: How much of Louisville and other cities burn tonight and through the rest of the week? Hard to tell. Could add new fire to the BLM protests, could see them fizzle out. Hopefully the former. Obviously the cops took one look at the ruling, were well aware that it wouldn't be received well, and decided to play on the side of caution. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/23/us/breonna-taylor-police-shooting-invs/index.html Edit since latest post: Chad wolf confirmed to congress today that white nationalists were the most potent and durable threat to the elections overall, but in some cities, there were a few events by extreme left organisations. Sounds mostly fair from DHS. Also, this : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/oregon-portland-pro-trump-protests-violence-texts Very nice people indeed, planning how to do the most damage with their paintballs, plotting political assassinations and other events, some of which they have actually been caught doing doing protests. “Yes, going after them at night is the solution… Like we do in other states, tactical ambushes at night while backing up the police are key. You get the leaders and the violent ones and the police are happy to shut their mouths and cameras.” | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 24 2020 06:16 Nouar wrote: The boyfriend called 911 immediately after and said “I don’t know what’s happening,” Walker said in the call. “Somebody kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend.” Maybe they whispered it ? Doesn't look like he heard their identification. Hard without bodycams. Strength of testimony is ONE witness corroborating. Do you really still trust police reports ? Take them with a grain of salt. Listen to it here to see if it sounds untruthful : https://soundcloud.com/wfplnews/911-call-in-shooting-death-of-breonna-taylor-released I'll wait to hear more discussion of corroborating witness testimony. The news articles I've read aren't clear on the number of (ear)witnesses saying the police clearly identified themselves, versus the ones that said they didn't hear that part and just the breaking/entering. The guy that had just shot someone saying he didn't know on the 911 call after the fact is not dispositive, just as you bring up with officer testimony that they waited 45 seconds to a minute after announcement to enter. It's the officer's words against his words, some witnesses against other witnesses ... and people were expecting the officers to be charged on that kind of evidence? | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
I seem to recall that but it’s been a while, not sure how reputable that reporting was, perhaps it rings a bell with others here. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On September 24 2020 07:08 Danglars wrote: I'll wait to hear more discussion of corroborating witness testimony. The news articles I've read aren't clear on the number of (ear)witnesses saying the police clearly identified themselves, versus the ones that said they didn't hear that part and just the breaking/entering. The guy that had just shot someone saying he didn't know on the 911 call after the fact is not dispositive, just as you bring up with officer testimony that they waited 45 seconds to a minute after announcement to enter. It's the officer's words against his words, some witnesses against other witnesses ... and people were expecting the officers to be charged on that kind of evidence? The cnn link in my previous post explains both testimonies and who the witness is. I think both versions can be true simultaneously, depending on the type of door and where the bedroom was located relative to the door. I personally don't hear voices through my entrance door though I can hear some noises... No, they are expecting charges against officers who manage to hit 5 times an unarmed woman lying on the floor, and miss the guy who shot at them. At least a wanton killing of taylor or something. I mean, the investigation couldn't even decide whose bullets were 4 out of the 5 that hit her. They could only identify the killing blow. It's a tough case but it seems the warrant itself is not really 100% based on accurate elements. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 24 2020 07:15 WombaT wrote: Wasn’t there talk that the boyfriend got offered a plea bargain if he’d testify that Taylor was in his gang? I seem to recall that but it’s been a while, not sure how reputable that reporting was, perhaps it rings a bell with others here. It wasn't the boyfriend. The boyfriend had all his charges dropped. It was some other person that was being charged with drug offenses (that supposedly knew her in some capacity), and the reporting was reputable. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
It’s such a no-brainer to implement. That it’s so frequently absent does not speak well to police wanting to be accountable | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27236 Posts
On September 24 2020 07:20 Stratos_speAr wrote: It wasn't the boyfriend. The boyfriend had all his charges dropped. It was some other person that was being charged with drug offenses (that supposedly knew her in some capacity), and the reporting was reputable. Thanks for the clarification. Been too busy of late to keep proper track of much of the outside world! | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
news.yahoo.com | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 24 2020 07:16 Nouar wrote: The cnn link in my previous post explains both testimonies and who the witness is. I think both versions can be true simultaneously, depending on the type of door and where the bedroom was located relative to the door. I personally don't hear voices through my entrance door though I can hear some noises... No, they are expecting charges against officers who manage to hit 5 times an unarmed woman lying on the floor, and miss the guy who shot at them. At least a wanton killing of taylor or something. I mean, the investigation couldn't even decide whose bullets were 4 out of the 5 that hit her. They could only identify the killing blow. It's a tough case but it seems the warrant itself is not really 100% based on accurate elements. The CNN link is a narrative style that makes no claims as to all witnesses called in grand jury. I suspect we'll learn more as time goes on. That's why I said I'll wait to hear more on that count. In the case that both are true, then it is neither officers nor boyfriend who are guilty of any crime (setting aside single officer wantonly firing bullets everywhere). The boyfriend shot the cops, the cops returned fire, and no grand jury is going to find the officers guilty for any crimes there. You sound like inaccuracy in a gunfight is a chargeable crime. Maybe they'll release a 3d apartment model and every shot tracing so you can pull it apart like the JFK assassination. This should lead to reforms in the way the Louisville police serve search warrants, and it already has stopped the no-knock warrants. Police officers don't have to go to jail out of anger just to get things done. | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
How little respect do we have for cops that they can murder someone and then get away with nothing because it’s “theoretically legal”? | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 24 2020 08:50 StalkerTL wrote: Only the US police can get away with being shit at their job. Any other profession that you do the same type of shit that results in the death of another person because of your incompetence would result in your ass being grass. How little respect do we have for cops that they can murder someone and then get away with nothing because it’s “theoretically legal”? This point really needs to be emphasized. The police have the legal authority to brutally infringe on civilians' rights and even end their life in certain situations, yet the standard of competence that we hold them to is astoundingly low, particularly when compared to other professions. There are a lot of historical points that explain this, but it pretty much boils down to the police being horrifically corrupt and oppressive for most of American history. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On September 24 2020 08:34 Danglars wrote: The CNN link is a narrative style that makes no claims as to all witnesses called in grand jury. I suspect we'll learn more as time goes on. That's why I said I'll wait to hear more on that count. In the case that both are true, then it is neither officers nor boyfriend who are guilty of any crime (setting aside single officer wantonly firing bullets everywhere). The boyfriend shot the cops, the cops returned fire, and no grand jury is going to find the officers guilty for any crimes there. You sound like inaccuracy in a gunfight is a chargeable crime. Maybe they'll release a 3d apartment model and every shot tracing so you can pull it apart like the JFK assassination. This should lead to reforms in the way the Louisville police serve search warrants, and it already has stopped the no-knock warrants. Police officers don't have to go to jail out of anger just to get things done. Nonetheless, manslaughter is manslaughter. A woman died, and nobody's been held accountable. That's the root problem. No way should this be a murder charge, but it's ridiculous that everyone walks away. And it points to the problem of the second amendment again; it did nothing to protect the citizen, and in fact got his girlfriend killed (assuming he's telling the truth of course). Frankly it's amazing he survived. Looking at the reports of the amount of shots poured into the apartment I picture the scene in Pulp Fiction where a perfect body outline of Samuel L Jackson gets shot in the wall. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
Trump can’t even do that between actively trying to kill us for political football/self dealing and getting away with white collar crime after white collar crime like insider trading. He’s more Putin than Xi. He can’t even legitimise the rule of law since him and his best supporters consistently show that they’re above the law and no one is there to do anything about it. The current America isn’t built for the 21st century, either Democrats get their fingers out of their ears and do a mass cleansing of America’s institutions or we become a more economically successful Russia. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 24 2020 09:12 iamthedave wrote: Nonetheless, manslaughter is manslaughter. A woman died, and nobody's been held accountable. That's the root problem. No way should this be a murder charge, but it's ridiculous that everyone walks away. And it points to the problem of the second amendment again; it did nothing to protect the citizen, and in fact got his girlfriend killed (assuming he's telling the truth of course). Frankly it's amazing he survived. Looking at the reports of the amount of shots poured into the apartment I picture the scene in Pulp Fiction where a perfect body outline of Samuel L Jackson gets shot in the wall. It didn’t look like even manslaughter would be appropriate, pending additional details. Just because a woman died doesn’t mean someone should be punished for it. The man inside could’ve accidentally shot and killed an officer, and it shouldn’t be automatic that somebody must be held responsible for him either. And then increase police budget for more gun training and change rules regarding serving warrants. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 24 2020 10:05 Danglars wrote: It didn’t look like even manslaughter would be appropriate, pending additional details. Just because a woman died doesn’t mean someone should be punished for it. The man inside could’ve accidentally shot and killed an officer, and it shouldn’t be automatic that somebody must be held responsible for him either. According to my ethics, people with authority to kill should be held to extremely high standards and also extremely accountable. To me, a mistake of this nature is simply not acceptable and needs to be severely punished. Where do we disagree? | ||
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