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On September 24 2020 02:50 Zambrah wrote:
Another gross miscarriage of justice in this shitheap of a country.
Every day the US appears less and less worth salvaging, not that many Americans even want to bother trying.
Starting to realize talking more with people from the global south this is a realization it takes much longer for westerners to make than much of the world. Takes but a moment looking at the US from the perspective of the global south to see how hopeless this place is. People on the left anyway, the global south has its share of capitalist sycophants too.
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On September 24 2020 02:50 Zambrah wrote:
Another gross miscarriage of justice in this shitheap of a country.
Every day the US appears less and less worth salvaging, not that many Americans even want to bother trying.
To be as generous as possible to other parts of the country, this is Kentucky. Expectations were pretty low to begin with.
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On September 24 2020 03:03 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2020 02:50 Zambrah wrote:
Another gross miscarriage of justice in this shitheap of a country.
Every day the US appears less and less worth salvaging, not that many Americans even want to bother trying. To be as generous as possible to other parts of the country, this is Kentucky. Expectations were pretty low to begin with.
How many states are there in the US where expectations would be much higher though? :/
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United States44352 Posts
Finding that the only thing the cops did wrong was the property damage to a neighbours house was a slap in the face.
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On September 24 2020 03:08 KwarK wrote:
Finding that the only thing the cops did wrong was the property damage to a neighbours house was a slap in the face.
sheer luck they didn't also kill a man, pregnant woman, and/or a young child in the next apartment
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Northern Ireland27448 Posts
Un-fucking believable. Well, sadly all-too believable.
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Grand juries should be abolished or dramatically changed, particularly when cops are at issue.
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Doesn't qualified immunity prevent them from being charged?
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Qualified immunity is a civil doctrine that’s used to dispose of 1983 actions at summary judgment, the things standing in the way of criminal charges for cops are grand juries, normal juries, and prosecutors.
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United States44352 Posts
On September 24 2020 03:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Doesn't qualified immunity prevent them from being charged?
Only for doing their jobs. There's been some seriously creative expansion of what policing looks like so pretty much anything they do while in uniform is considered to be part of their job function.
What should be happening is "sure, you did that in uniform while at work but you should have recognized it wasn't legal and therefore wasn't policework and therefore you did it on your own behalf, not on behalf of your employer". Instead what we're getting is "he can't be held accountable for punching that protester in the face because that's just part of good policework".
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On September 24 2020 03:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Doesn't qualified immunity prevent them from being charged? it should protect an officer from facing a murder charge if he shoots an active shooter, aka did his job as a police officer.
It should not protect an officer who acted against police policy. (and if it does, it needs to change).
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It is impressive how predictable this shit is.
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United States44352 Posts
On September 24 2020 03:51 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2020 03:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Doesn't qualified immunity prevent them from being charged? it should protect an officer from facing a murder charge if he shoots an active shooter, aka did his job as a police officer. It should not protect an officer who acted against police policy. (and if it does, it needs to change).
There's basically nothing the police can do these days which isn't policy. Suffocation holds, rough rides (putting someone in the back of a police van with no seat belt and hands cuffed behind their back, then driving aggressively), common assault on members of the press, unwarranted cavity searches on nonconsenting women, flashbangs tossed into the cribs of babies, and so forth have all been found to be police policy.
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How much of Louisville and other cities burn tonight and through the rest of the week?
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On September 24 2020 04:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
How much of Louisville and other cities burn tonight and through the rest of the week?
Less than would be reasonable imo
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On September 24 2020 04:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
How much of Louisville and other cities burn tonight and through the rest of the week?
We'll have to see, but I'm just waiting to see all of the "my support ends at rioting and looting" flood my social media again...
And of course a lot of the headlines of news outlets are incredibly misleading and make it sound like he's facing charges for her death.
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As details emerge, the Breonna Taylor case came down to:
Strength of testimony indicating that it was not a "no-knock" warrant. Officers announced their presence loudly.
The boyfriend inside the apartment fired first at police (at the door in his testimony). The first shot fired in the police raid was by an occupant of the apartment shooting a police officer in the leg.
(Also, judges rule on qualified immunity, so don't act like the grand jury failed to indict on that basis)
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On September 24 2020 05:51 Danglars wrote:
As details emerge, the Breonna Taylor case came down to:
Strength of testimony indicating that it was not a "no-knock" warrant. Officers announced their presence loudly.
The boyfriend inside the apartment fired first at police (at the door in his testimony). The first shot fired in the police raid was by an occupant of the apartment shooting a police officer in the leg.
(Also, judges rule on qualified immunity, so don't act like the grand jury failed to indict on that basis)
The boyfriend called 911 immediately after and said “I don’t know what’s happening,” Walker said in the call. “Somebody kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend.”
Maybe they whispered it ? Doesn't look like he heard their identification. Hard without bodycams. Strength of testimony is ONE witness corroborating.
Do you really still trust police reports ? Take them with a grain of salt.
Listen to it here to see if it sounds untruthful : https://soundcloud.com/wfplnews/911-call-in-shooting-death-of-breonna-taylor-released
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It’s worth noting that none of the facts here were tried, they were presented in a setting that lacks many of the safeguards inherent to trials. Thus, references to what “actually” happened should be taken for what they are, unilateral presentations of evidence with no adversarial examination. Which is why the grand jury system is clearly insufficient.
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