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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 23 2018 01:16 GMT
#501
Ah good, I found a link to Bolton's 2015 peice about bombing Iran first.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html

The inescapable conclusion is that Iran will not negotiate away its nuclear program. Nor will sanctions block its building a broad and deep weapons infrastructure. The inconvenient truth is that only military action like Israel’s 1981 attack on Saddam Hussein’s Osirak reactor in Iraq or its 2007 destruction of a Syrian reactor, designed and built by North Korea, can accomplish what is required. Time is terribly short, but a strike can still succeed.

Rendering inoperable the Natanz and Fordow uranium-enrichment installations and the Arak heavy-water production facility and reactor would be priorities. So, too, would be the little-noticed but critical uranium-conversion facility at Isfahan. An attack need not destroy all of Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, but by breaking key links in the nuclear-fuel cycle, it could set back its program by three to five years. The United States could do a thorough job of destruction, but Israel alone can do what’s necessary. Such action should be combined with vigorous American support for Iran’s opposition, aimed at regime change in Tehran.

Mr. Obama’s fascination with an Iranian nuclear deal always had an air of unreality. But by ignoring the strategic implications of such diplomacy, these talks have triggered a potential wave of nuclear programs. The president’s biggest legacy could be a thoroughly nuclear-weaponized Middle East.


Notice how Bolton skips right over the Iraq war in this story where he was 100% wrong about WMDs. This man is all about bombing first and asking questions later.
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TL+ Member
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4682 Posts
March 23 2018 01:25 GMT
#502
On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:
On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."

A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.

The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.

The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.

The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election.

Washington Free Beacon

I'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know.

Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies.


Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22991 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 01:27:01
March 23 2018 01:26 GMT
#503
We would be remiss to not point out Bolton's Ambitions of rekindling the nuclear arms race with Russia.

I know Trump is supposed to be a Russian puppet, but we also know he goes with whatever the last person said, wouldn't be hard to find bipartisan support for escalations with Russia, and Bolton is the right person to talk him into it.

His first briefing he was wondering why we can't just use nukes iirc.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 23 2018 01:28 GMT
#504
On March 23 2018 10:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
We would be remiss to not point out Bolton's Ambitions of rekindling the nuclear arms race with Russia.

I know Trump is supposed to be a Russian puppet, but we also know he goes with whatever the last person said, wouldn't be hard to find bipartisan support for escalations with Russia, and Bolton is the right person to talk him into it.

His first briefing he was wondering why we can't just use nukes iirc.

Bolton is a pure Yes Man and won't do anything to anger Trump. It will be Iran and North Korea all day with him just to make sure Trump is happy.
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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
March 23 2018 01:29 GMT
#505
On March 23 2018 10:25 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:
On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."

A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.

The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.

The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.

The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election.

Washington Free Beacon

I'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know.

Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies.


Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal.

Could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 01:30:34
March 23 2018 01:30 GMT
#506
On March 23 2018 10:16 Plansix wrote:
Ah good, I found a link to Bolton's 2015 peice about bombing Iran first.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html

Show nested quote +
The inescapable conclusion is that Iran will not negotiate away its nuclear program. Nor will sanctions block its building a broad and deep weapons infrastructure. The inconvenient truth is that only military action like Israel’s 1981 attack on Saddam Hussein’s Osirak reactor in Iraq or its 2007 destruction of a Syrian reactor, designed and built by North Korea, can accomplish what is required. Time is terribly short, but a strike can still succeed.

Rendering inoperable the Natanz and Fordow uranium-enrichment installations and the Arak heavy-water production facility and reactor would be priorities. So, too, would be the little-noticed but critical uranium-conversion facility at Isfahan. An attack need not destroy all of Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, but by breaking key links in the nuclear-fuel cycle, it could set back its program by three to five years. The United States could do a thorough job of destruction, but Israel alone can do what’s necessary. Such action should be combined with vigorous American support for Iran’s opposition, aimed at regime change in Tehran.

Mr. Obama’s fascination with an Iranian nuclear deal always had an air of unreality. But by ignoring the strategic implications of such diplomacy, these talks have triggered a potential wave of nuclear programs. The president’s biggest legacy could be a thoroughly nuclear-weaponized Middle East.


Notice how Bolton skips right over the Iraq war in this story where he was 100% wrong about WMDs. This man is all about bombing first and asking questions later.


A man who was a member of the Project for a New American Century is definitely not a neoconservative. And we all know how closely Trump's campaign aligns with neoconservatism.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
March 23 2018 01:34 GMT
#507
On March 23 2018 10:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
We would be remiss to not point out Bolton's Ambitions of rekindling the nuclear arms race with Russia.

I know Trump is supposed to be a Russian puppet, but we also know he goes with whatever the last person said, wouldn't be hard to find bipartisan support for escalations with Russia, and Bolton is the right person to talk him into it.

His first briefing he was wondering why we can't just use nukes iirc.


Has this man dedicated his life to willingly writing out, in public media, the most thorough case for why he should never be given power? Like most of the time the press has to find these reasons themselves. Bolton is just writing them himself and asking papers to publish it.

There's gonna be a bad nick cage - esque movie about this in two decades or so isn't there?

Also, big cyber-law announcement tomorrow morning:
http://www.wlns.com/ap-top-news/apdaybookfriupdate/1070100194


10 a.m. - Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and other law enforcement officials will hold a press conference for a major cyber law enforcement announcement.


So much happens in a week. This year has been crazy.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States22991 Posts
March 23 2018 01:35 GMT
#508
On March 23 2018 10:28 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 10:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
We would be remiss to not point out Bolton's Ambitions of rekindling the nuclear arms race with Russia.

I know Trump is supposed to be a Russian puppet, but we also know he goes with whatever the last person said, wouldn't be hard to find bipartisan support for escalations with Russia, and Bolton is the right person to talk him into it.

His first briefing he was wondering why we can't just use nukes iirc.

Bolton is a pure Yes Man and won't do anything to anger Trump. It will be Iran and North Korea all day with him just to make sure Trump is happy.


You presume Trump would know that updating our nuclear arsenal would be an escalation with Russia. I'm not sure he would make that connection. Remember Bolton controls what Trump hears via national security. He can pick and choose what Trump hears which is nearly as good as controlling what he does so long as you explain to him how it makes him richer/more powerful/greater.

That's why the caps thing failed. If they would have told him "Obama congratulated Putin and we all thought he was a Pu**y for it" Trump would have cursed Putin out and hung up on him.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4682 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 01:40:49
March 23 2018 01:36 GMT
#509
On March 23 2018 10:29 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 10:25 Introvert wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:
On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."

A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.

The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.

The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.

The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election.

Washington Free Beacon

I'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know.

Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies.


Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal.

Could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say.


Well we are trying to interpret what the article says, yes? The report perhaps doesn't view Flynn's plea as "real" in the sense that he's admitting guilt. And I'm inclined to agree, Flynn made some mistakes in his memory, the FBI thought nothing of it, but Mueller used it to get...something.

edit: I think "FBI" is not what was meant in that piece.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
March 23 2018 02:04 GMT
#510
So Bolton is NSA now?

I can only hope when the nukes start dropping the final words of this planet are "But her emails"
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Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
March 23 2018 02:26 GMT
#511
Speaking of emails, The Daily Beast is claiming that Guccifer 2.0 is a GRU officer.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13816 Posts
March 23 2018 02:29 GMT
#512
Jesus there has been 3 posting of the guccifer is a GRU officer. read the thread people.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 02:33:45
March 23 2018 02:32 GMT
#513
On March 23 2018 11:26 Womwomwom wrote:
Speaking of emails, The Daily Beast is claiming that Guccifer 2.0 is a GRU officer.


I wonder if this is what Rosenstein and co are planning on discussing in their cyber-law announcement tomorrow. Seems plausible that we'll get a lot of information on this soonish.

On March 23 2018 11:29 Sermokala wrote:
Jesus there has been 3 posting of the guccifer is a GRU officer. read the thread people.


To be fair this thread balloons fast as hell
At any given time I only catchup on the previous 2 pages.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13816 Posts
March 23 2018 02:49 GMT
#514
On March 23 2018 11:32 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 11:26 Womwomwom wrote:
Speaking of emails, The Daily Beast is claiming that Guccifer 2.0 is a GRU officer.


I wonder if this is what Rosenstein and co are planning on discussing in their cyber-law announcement tomorrow. Seems plausible that we'll get a lot of information on this soonish.

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 11:29 Sermokala wrote:
Jesus there has been 3 posting of the guccifer is a GRU officer. read the thread people.


To be fair this thread balloons fast as hell
At any given time I only catchup on the previous 2 pages.

It was on the last page.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 23 2018 03:00 GMT
#515
On March 23 2018 10:36 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 10:29 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:25 Introvert wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:
On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."

A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.

The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.

The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.

The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election.

Washington Free Beacon

I'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know.

Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies.


Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal.

Could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say.


Well we are trying to interpret what the article says, yes? The report perhaps doesn't view Flynn's plea as "real" in the sense that he's admitting guilt. And I'm inclined to agree, Flynn made some mistakes in his memory, the FBI thought nothing of it, but Mueller used it to get...something.

edit: I think "FBI" is not what was meant in that piece.


What’s your source that says it was only errors of memory? He did plead guilty.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 03:10:33
March 23 2018 03:09 GMT
#516
Some good news in this craphole portion of the budget. NASA got an extra billion and a half dollars than it was asking for. Also the White House wanted to slash Renewable R&D, and funding for clean energy. It was ignored. Makes one wonder if Midwestern Republicans are the ones that will force the GOP to somehow accept renewable's, and maybe even Climate Change.

The $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill that needs to pass this week to avert a government shutdown increases spending on clean energy and keeps the Environmental Protection Agency funded at current levels.

That’s despite the White House suggestion that Congress cut EPA’s budget by one-third and make drastic reductions in clean energy research.

Tarak Shah, a former chief of staff in the science and energy office at the US Department of Energy, told Vox the bill was an “utter repudiation of the Trump budget!”

The EPA will keep its $8.1 billion budget with a few changes, including $66 million allocated toward the Superfund program for cleaning up highly contaminated sites.

The Department of Energy’s high-risk, high-reward research incubator, the Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy, or ARPA-E, can also breathe easy. Trump’s budget proposal recommended eliminating the popular program, but Congress gave it a $47 million boost up to $353 million.

The DOE’s Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy office, which the White House wanted to gut by $1.3 billion, also got a 15 percent increase to a new total of $2.3 billion.


Source
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42260 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 04:58:31
March 23 2018 04:15 GMT
#517
On March 23 2018 11:26 Womwomwom wrote:
Speaking of emails, The Daily Beast is claiming that Guccifer 2.0 is a GRU officer.

New Republican strategy. One smoking gun is a problem, dozens of smoking guns and you have yourself a smokescreen.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4682 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 07:55:40
March 23 2018 07:55 GMT
#518
On March 23 2018 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 10:36 Introvert wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:29 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:25 Introvert wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:
On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."

A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.

The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.

The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.

The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election.

Washington Free Beacon

I'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know.

Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies.


Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal.

Could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say.


Well we are trying to interpret what the article says, yes? The report perhaps doesn't view Flynn's plea as "real" in the sense that he's admitting guilt. And I'm inclined to agree, Flynn made some mistakes in his memory, the FBI thought nothing of it, but Mueller used it to get...something.

edit: I think "FBI" is not what was meant in that piece.


What’s your source that says it was only errors of memory? He did plead guilty.


The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.

Flynn was fired by President Donald Trump earlier this week after it was revealed that he withheld information from Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations with Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the US. A US official confirmed to CNN last week that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions, among other matters, during a December call.
Flynn initially told investigators sanctions were not discussed. But FBI agents challenged him, asking if he was certain that was his answer. He said he didn't remember.
The FBI interviewers believed Flynn was cooperative and provided truthful answers. Although Flynn didn't remember all of what he talked about, they don't believe he was intentionally misleading them, the officials say.


https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/fbi-not-expected-to-pursue-charges-against-flynn/index.html

and from a source you may nmot like but has been well connected

So in March, lawmakers wanted Comey to tell them what was up. And what they heard from the director did not match what they were hearing in the media.

According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged with a crime pertaining to the Jan. 24 interview.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-comey-told-congress-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-lied

and

A Congressional source also tells us that former FBI director James Comey told the House Intelligence Committee on March 2 that his agents had concluded that Mr. Flynn hadn’t lied but had forgotten what had been discussed. Perhaps the FBI changed its view.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-information-1512172863

At any rate, the FBI didn't believe anything was amiss. To me it's pretty obvious that Flynn simply couldn't afford to fight any more and gave in for that deal Mueller gave him. Remember all the reports about him having to sell his house?
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Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 08:00:32
March 23 2018 07:58 GMT
#519
On March 23 2018 10:30 Doodsmack wrote:
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On March 23 2018 10:16 Plansix wrote:
Ah good, I found a link to Bolton's 2015 peice about bombing Iran first.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html

The inescapable conclusion is that Iran will not negotiate away its nuclear program. Nor will sanctions block its building a broad and deep weapons infrastructure. The inconvenient truth is that only military action like Israel’s 1981 attack on Saddam Hussein’s Osirak reactor in Iraq or its 2007 destruction of a Syrian reactor, designed and built by North Korea, can accomplish what is required. Time is terribly short, but a strike can still succeed.

Rendering inoperable the Natanz and Fordow uranium-enrichment installations and the Arak heavy-water production facility and reactor would be priorities. So, too, would be the little-noticed but critical uranium-conversion facility at Isfahan. An attack need not destroy all of Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, but by breaking key links in the nuclear-fuel cycle, it could set back its program by three to five years. The United States could do a thorough job of destruction, but Israel alone can do what’s necessary. Such action should be combined with vigorous American support for Iran’s opposition, aimed at regime change in Tehran.

Mr. Obama’s fascination with an Iranian nuclear deal always had an air of unreality. But by ignoring the strategic implications of such diplomacy, these talks have triggered a potential wave of nuclear programs. The president’s biggest legacy could be a thoroughly nuclear-weaponized Middle East.


Notice how Bolton skips right over the Iraq war in this story where he was 100% wrong about WMDs. This man is all about bombing first and asking questions later.


A man who was a member of the Project for a New American Century is definitely not a neoconservative. And we all know how closely Trump's campaign aligns with neoconservatism.


During January 2009 at the end of President George W. Bush's second term in office, Jonathan Clarke, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs, proposed the following as the "main characteristics of neoconservatism": "a tendency to see the world in binary good/evil terms", a "low tolerance for diplomacy", a "readiness to use military force", an "emphasis on US unilateral action", a "disdain for multilateral organizations" and a "focus on the Middle East".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#Notable_people_associated_with_neoconservatism

Doesn't sound drastically different to Bolton.

And #resistance hero Bill Kristol, McCain etc certainly see eye-to-eye with Bolton when it comes to bombing Iran.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-23 08:06:35
March 23 2018 08:06 GMT
#520
Really interested in what will come out of the Nasa budget change, technology wise.

I've been reading some interesting things regarding fines aimed at facebook, with some so high as to immediately end the company, is this realistic or just modern journalistic hyperbole?
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