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On March 23 2018 16:55 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:On March 23 2018 10:36 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:29 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:25 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."
A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.
The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.
The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.
The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election. Washington Free BeaconI'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know. Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies. Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal. Could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. Well we are trying to interpret what the article says, yes? The report perhaps doesn't view Flynn's plea as "real" in the sense that he's admitting guilt. And I'm inclined to agree, Flynn made some mistakes in his memory, the FBI thought nothing of it, but Mueller used it to get...something. edit: I think "FBI" is not what was meant in that piece. What’s your source that says it was only errors of memory? He did plead guilty. Show nested quote +The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.
Flynn was fired by President Donald Trump earlier this week after it was revealed that he withheld information from Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations with Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the US. A US official confirmed to CNN last week that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions, among other matters, during a December call.
Flynn initially told investigators sanctions were not discussed. But FBI agents challenged him, asking if he was certain that was his answer. He said he didn't remember.
The FBI interviewers believed Flynn was cooperative and provided truthful answers. Although Flynn didn't remember all of what he talked about, they don't believe he was intentionally misleading them, the officials say. https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/fbi-not-expected-to-pursue-charges-against-flynn/index.htmland from a source you may nmot like but has been well connected Show nested quote +So in March, lawmakers wanted Comey to tell them what was up. And what they heard from the director did not match what they were hearing in the media.
According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged with a crime pertaining to the Jan. 24 interview. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-comey-told-congress-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-liedand Show nested quote +A Congressional source also tells us that former FBI director James Comey told the House Intelligence Committee on March 2 that his agents had concluded that Mr. Flynn hadn’t lied but had forgotten what had been discussed. Perhaps the FBI changed its view. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-information-1512172863At any rate, the FBI didn't believe anything was amiss. To me it's pretty obvious that Flynn simply couldn't afford to fight any more and gave in for that deal Mueller gave him. Remember all the reports about him having to sell his house?
Those first two articles are from February 2017, and the guilty plea came 10 months after. That's quite a lot of time for new information to be uncovered.
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On March 23 2018 17:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 16:55 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:On March 23 2018 10:36 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:29 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:25 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."
A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.
The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.
The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.
The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election. Washington Free BeaconI'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know. Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies. Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal. Could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. Well we are trying to interpret what the article says, yes? The report perhaps doesn't view Flynn's plea as "real" in the sense that he's admitting guilt. And I'm inclined to agree, Flynn made some mistakes in his memory, the FBI thought nothing of it, but Mueller used it to get...something. edit: I think "FBI" is not what was meant in that piece. What’s your source that says it was only errors of memory? He did plead guilty. The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.
Flynn was fired by President Donald Trump earlier this week after it was revealed that he withheld information from Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations with Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the US. A US official confirmed to CNN last week that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions, among other matters, during a December call.
Flynn initially told investigators sanctions were not discussed. But FBI agents challenged him, asking if he was certain that was his answer. He said he didn't remember.
The FBI interviewers believed Flynn was cooperative and provided truthful answers. Although Flynn didn't remember all of what he talked about, they don't believe he was intentionally misleading them, the officials say. https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/fbi-not-expected-to-pursue-charges-against-flynn/index.htmland from a source you may nmot like but has been well connected So in March, lawmakers wanted Comey to tell them what was up. And what they heard from the director did not match what they were hearing in the media.
According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged with a crime pertaining to the Jan. 24 interview. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-comey-told-congress-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-liedand A Congressional source also tells us that former FBI director James Comey told the House Intelligence Committee on March 2 that his agents had concluded that Mr. Flynn hadn’t lied but had forgotten what had been discussed. Perhaps the FBI changed its view. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-information-1512172863At any rate, the FBI didn't believe anything was amiss. To me it's pretty obvious that Flynn simply couldn't afford to fight any more and gave in for that deal Mueller gave him. Remember all the reports about him having to sell his house? Those first two articles are from February 2017, and the guilty plea came 10 months after. That's quite a lot of time for new information to be uncovered.
And yet we know of none. This is the same interview all the way through. Either they thought he was lying intentionally or no. So far it is more reasonable to believe that the Mueller team decided to use that interview to their own ends than any new information was uncovered.
I'm not sure why it's hard to believe that Flynn gave up when he had no money left. Given the way the special counsel has behaved so far this sort of thing should hardly surprise anyone.
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On March 23 2018 17:53 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 17:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 23 2018 16:55 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:On March 23 2018 10:36 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:29 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:25 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."
A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.
The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.
The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.
The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election. Washington Free BeaconI'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know. Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies. Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal. Could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. Well we are trying to interpret what the article says, yes? The report perhaps doesn't view Flynn's plea as "real" in the sense that he's admitting guilt. And I'm inclined to agree, Flynn made some mistakes in his memory, the FBI thought nothing of it, but Mueller used it to get...something. edit: I think "FBI" is not what was meant in that piece. What’s your source that says it was only errors of memory? He did plead guilty. The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.
Flynn was fired by President Donald Trump earlier this week after it was revealed that he withheld information from Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations with Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the US. A US official confirmed to CNN last week that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions, among other matters, during a December call.
Flynn initially told investigators sanctions were not discussed. But FBI agents challenged him, asking if he was certain that was his answer. He said he didn't remember.
The FBI interviewers believed Flynn was cooperative and provided truthful answers. Although Flynn didn't remember all of what he talked about, they don't believe he was intentionally misleading them, the officials say. https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/fbi-not-expected-to-pursue-charges-against-flynn/index.htmland from a source you may nmot like but has been well connected So in March, lawmakers wanted Comey to tell them what was up. And what they heard from the director did not match what they were hearing in the media.
According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged with a crime pertaining to the Jan. 24 interview. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-comey-told-congress-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-liedand A Congressional source also tells us that former FBI director James Comey told the House Intelligence Committee on March 2 that his agents had concluded that Mr. Flynn hadn’t lied but had forgotten what had been discussed. Perhaps the FBI changed its view. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-information-1512172863At any rate, the FBI didn't believe anything was amiss. To me it's pretty obvious that Flynn simply couldn't afford to fight any more and gave in for that deal Mueller gave him. Remember all the reports about him having to sell his house? Those first two articles are from February 2017, and the guilty plea came 10 months after. That's quite a lot of time for new information to be uncovered. And yet we know of none. This is the same interview all the way through. Either they thought he was lying intentionally or no. So far it is more reasonable to believe that the Mueller team decided to use that interview to their own ends than any new information was uncovered. I'm not sure why it's hard to believe that Flynn gave up when he had no money left. Given the way the special counsel has behaved so far this sort of thing should hardly surprise anyone. Its not unlikely for Mueller to find something in his investigations that conflicts with Flynn's statements.
And we would never hear about it because we know nothing about what Mueller has found.
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On March 23 2018 08:24 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:11 Danglars wrote:On March 23 2018 08:01 Excludos wrote:
Why do people think Iran over North Korea? Trump seems to have had a beef with "little rocket man" for some time now. NK is less about funding terrorists that attack Israelis. Their missiles are literally found in planned attacks or intercepted attacks. Israel is our ally. NK has more of the vibe of the country always starving, using the brinkmanship for goodies, and big brother China with the hand on and off the shoulder. Anyways, three cheers for Bolton and congratulations to Trump. When hundreds of thousands, if not many more, die or suffer indirectly as a result of whatever the sam-hell it is this madman intends to do, please remember your cheers. And when you remember, please use the fullest extent of your imagination. Imagine a mother hearing their child was killed by an explosive in a fight they weren't involved in, and how they'd process that. How every single day they'd wake up and think to check on them, make breakfast, whatever it is, only to realise their child is gone. Now imagine that for a different mother every single night for the rest of your life, because it's not even a blip on the radar compared to the potential damage someone like Bolton might do. I must admit fault here, I literally cannot understand your value system. To cheer for Bolton seems antithetical to any notion of one I could imagine having. I mean this as a serious inquiry, what is it that makes you cheer for this? What do you imagine coming of it that you perceive as good, and why is that good? And how does it mitigate the obvious evil?
The fact that Danglar cheers is the most worrying thing I’ve read in this thread. You can pretty much use him as some kind of divine, flawless reverted compass of what’s morally acceptable and / or a smart thing to do.
So if he cheers three times, I guess we are on the brink of extinction.
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Where dat snitch at?37061 Posts
If possible, PLEASE try to keep the discussions limited to talking about politics. Stop taking jabs at each other.
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On March 23 2018 17:53 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 17:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 23 2018 16:55 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:On March 23 2018 10:36 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:29 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:25 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."
A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.
The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.
The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.
The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election. Washington Free BeaconI'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know. Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies. Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal. Could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. Well we are trying to interpret what the article says, yes? The report perhaps doesn't view Flynn's plea as "real" in the sense that he's admitting guilt. And I'm inclined to agree, Flynn made some mistakes in his memory, the FBI thought nothing of it, but Mueller used it to get...something. edit: I think "FBI" is not what was meant in that piece. What’s your source that says it was only errors of memory? He did plead guilty. The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.
Flynn was fired by President Donald Trump earlier this week after it was revealed that he withheld information from Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations with Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the US. A US official confirmed to CNN last week that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions, among other matters, during a December call.
Flynn initially told investigators sanctions were not discussed. But FBI agents challenged him, asking if he was certain that was his answer. He said he didn't remember.
The FBI interviewers believed Flynn was cooperative and provided truthful answers. Although Flynn didn't remember all of what he talked about, they don't believe he was intentionally misleading them, the officials say. https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/fbi-not-expected-to-pursue-charges-against-flynn/index.htmland from a source you may nmot like but has been well connected So in March, lawmakers wanted Comey to tell them what was up. And what they heard from the director did not match what they were hearing in the media.
According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged with a crime pertaining to the Jan. 24 interview. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-comey-told-congress-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-liedand A Congressional source also tells us that former FBI director James Comey told the House Intelligence Committee on March 2 that his agents had concluded that Mr. Flynn hadn’t lied but had forgotten what had been discussed. Perhaps the FBI changed its view. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-information-1512172863At any rate, the FBI didn't believe anything was amiss. To me it's pretty obvious that Flynn simply couldn't afford to fight any more and gave in for that deal Mueller gave him. Remember all the reports about him having to sell his house? Those first two articles are from February 2017, and the guilty plea came 10 months after. That's quite a lot of time for new information to be uncovered. And yet we know of none. This is the same interview all the way through. Either they thought he was lying intentionally or no. So far it is more reasonable to believe that the Mueller team decided to use that interview to their own ends than any new information was uncovered. I'm not sure why it's hard to believe that Flynn gave up when he had no money left. Given the way the special counsel has behaved so far this sort of thing should hardly surprise anyone.
Iirc, didn't we learn about some foreign agent stuff since then, as well as some weird kidnapping plot he was part of? You keep talking about Flynn like he's some poor innocent guy who couldn't pay his legal bills any more because Mueller trumped up some "lying to the FBI" charge. Doesn't it seem at least as plausible that they were pursuing other, bigger charges against him and reduced all that to a lying to the FBI charge when he decided to cooperate?
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If all trump is doing by firing everyone and placing Bolton as head of NSA to knock Stormy Daniels off the news cycle. it hasn't worked. Her 60 Minutes Interview is this Sunday night, and he lawyer tweeted this.
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Seems like a poorly taken photo one way or another lol
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On March 23 2018 22:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:If all trump is doing by firing everyone and placing Bolton as head of NSA to knock Stormy Daniels off the news cycle. it hasn't worked. Her 60 Minutes Interview is this Sunday night, and he lawyer tweeted this. https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/977015170231885825
On one hand, "let there be tapes".
On the other, no one wants to hear/see Trump getting it on.
ps.
Considering all the shit Trump has done and his known previous affairs. Why even worry about this? There is no real reason to assume this will do anything to his approval numbers or his supporters.
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So Veto the Bill, he won't of course. The Government would shut down and over DACA which he ended in a half ass attempt to make the Dems play defense.
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I love how he is now demanding the trade that was offered several times last month. The same deal Trump blew up. Now he wants it.
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Every time Trump tries to use DACA as leverage, I wanna poke myself in the eye because there are plenty of people who buy it without a second thought.
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On March 23 2018 22:09 Gorsameth wrote:On one hand, "let there be tapes". On the other, no one wants to hear/see Trump getting it on. ps. Considering all the shit Trump has done and his known previous affairs. Why even worry about this? There is no real reason to assume this will do anything to his approval numbers or his supporters.
Guilty pleasure. I’d love to know what’s going on in the heads of the countless devot christians who voted for him and keep supporting him. At one point, his conduct will end up hurting him, i believe. People’s ability to contradict themselves is always surprising but it’s not infinite.
Meanwhike, getting my popcorns ready. That Stormy Daniel woman must be having the time of her life. Looks like being in the spotlight is what she enjoys, and it looks like she would love to make as much damage as she can...
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On March 23 2018 21:20 Seeker wrote:
If possible, PLEASE try to keep the discussions limited to talking about politics. Stop taking jabs at each other.
Sorry, will do my best.
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On March 23 2018 22:39 farvacola wrote:
Every time Trump tries to use DACA as leverage, I wanna poke myself in the eye because there are plenty of people who buy it without a second thought.
Of course if it was in the bill he would be vetoing it saying that the mythical chain migration needed to be solved first.
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On March 23 2018 22:09 Gorsameth wrote:On one hand, "let there be tapes". On the other, no one wants to hear/see Trump getting it on. ps. Considering all the shit Trump has done and his known previous affairs. Why even worry about this? There is no real reason to assume this will do anything to his approval numbers or his supporters.
I agree it won't have much effect; but oddly enough I actually met someone on another forum for whom THIS was the "straw that broke the camel's back" and made him unwilling to keep supporting trump. they were otherwise a very trumpist person and had been supporting him since 2015.
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On March 23 2018 22:38 Plansix wrote:
I love how he is now demanding the trade that was offered several times last month. The same deal Trump blew up. Now he wants it.
All part of his grand strategic vision.
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DoJ Press Conference going live like now:
www.justice.gov
This is the one at which Rosenstein should speak.
Given that nothing has happened yet with the source, it is going live, I have no analysis to add.
EDIT: Rosenstein speaking first in 2 minutes.
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On March 23 2018 17:53 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 17:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 23 2018 16:55 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:On March 23 2018 10:36 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:29 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:25 Introvert wrote:On March 23 2018 10:10 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 23 2018 10:04 Danglars wrote:On the former DNI, the report says that Clapper, now a contributor to CNN as a national security analyst "provided inconsistent testimony to the committee about his contacts with the media, including CNN."
A CNN spokeswoman did not return an email seeking comment. Clapper could not be reached for comment.
The report also states that leaks of classified information about Russian intentions to sow discord in the U.S. presidential election began prior to Election Day. The disclosures of U.S. secrets alleging Russia was working to help elect Trump "increased dramatically" after the Nov. 8, 2016 election.
The panel suggested that the leaks "correlate to specific language" in a U.S. intelligence community assessment of Russian election meddling.
The finding suggests that leaks of classified information were politically motivated to undermine Trump after he won the election. Washington Free BeaconI'm wondering just what kind of evidence they cite to conclude Clapper lied/mislead Congress during his testimony. We know he lied in the past about breaking into Senate computers. He's also the one that claimed the NSA was not collecting data on millions of Americans. Lately, the FBI has been shown to be a very political entity, organizing opposition to the duly elected president of the United States and his campaign through leaks and FISA abuse and lying under oath to Congress. I wonder if there will be any revelations in the Intel committee report that we don't already know. Is this the report that was written only by the Republicans on the committee? I didn't see the article clarify that one way or another. The article also states that the report claims that the FBI improperly charged Flynn with lying to the FBI, because no deception took place in the interview. Except there is the not so small detail that Flynn was never charged; instead, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, which means that Flynn himself confesses to the lies. Given such a glaring falsehood, I am inclined to view everything else in that report as pack of lies. Maybe he means Mueller probe? It is true that when the FBI interviewed Flynn they thought any mistakes he made were not intending to deceive but were errors of memory. Wasn't until Mueller came around eating away at bankrolls that Flynn took a deal. Could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. Well we are trying to interpret what the article says, yes? The report perhaps doesn't view Flynn's plea as "real" in the sense that he's admitting guilt. And I'm inclined to agree, Flynn made some mistakes in his memory, the FBI thought nothing of it, but Mueller used it to get...something. edit: I think "FBI" is not what was meant in that piece. What’s your source that says it was only errors of memory? He did plead guilty. The FBI is not expected to pursue any charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn regarding a phone call with Russia's ambassador, barring new information that changes what they know, law enforcement officials told CNN Thursday.
Flynn was fired by President Donald Trump earlier this week after it was revealed that he withheld information from Vice President Mike Pence about his conversations with Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the US. A US official confirmed to CNN last week that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions, among other matters, during a December call.
Flynn initially told investigators sanctions were not discussed. But FBI agents challenged him, asking if he was certain that was his answer. He said he didn't remember.
The FBI interviewers believed Flynn was cooperative and provided truthful answers. Although Flynn didn't remember all of what he talked about, they don't believe he was intentionally misleading them, the officials say. https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/fbi-not-expected-to-pursue-charges-against-flynn/index.htmland from a source you may nmot like but has been well connected So in March, lawmakers wanted Comey to tell them what was up. And what they heard from the director did not match what they were hearing in the media.
According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged with a crime pertaining to the Jan. 24 interview. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-comey-told-congress-fbi-agents-didnt-think-michael-flynn-liedand A Congressional source also tells us that former FBI director James Comey told the House Intelligence Committee on March 2 that his agents had concluded that Mr. Flynn hadn’t lied but had forgotten what had been discussed. Perhaps the FBI changed its view. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-information-1512172863At any rate, the FBI didn't believe anything was amiss. To me it's pretty obvious that Flynn simply couldn't afford to fight any more and gave in for that deal Mueller gave him. Remember all the reports about him having to sell his house? Those first two articles are from February 2017, and the guilty plea came 10 months after. That's quite a lot of time for new information to be uncovered. And yet we know of none. This is the same interview all the way through. Either they thought he was lying intentionally or no. So far it is more reasonable to believe that the Mueller team decided to use that interview to their own ends than any new information was uncovered. I'm not sure why it's hard to believe that Flynn gave up when he had no money left. Given the way the special counsel has behaved so far this sort of thing should hardly surprise anyone.
At the very least you're asserting something that's uncertain. Flynn apparently affirmatively stated that he did not have the phone call, and only said "I don't remember" when pressed by the FBI. The agents who pressed him may well have drawn the wrong legal conclusion. And then there's the intervening 10 months which may have demonstrated that Flynn definitely did remember outside of the FBI interview.
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How many Trump towers are in Turkey again?
The U.S. has dropped criminal charges against nearly all of the Turkish security officers accused of viciously beating American demonstrators last year in Washington, D.C., as Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan sat in a car nearby.
Most of the charges were dropped last month, a day before now-outgoing Secretary of State Rex Tillerson met in Turkey with Erdogan, who was furious about the arrest warrants that had been issued against his men, The Wall Street Journal reported.
The attack in May outraged the American public and politicians after the foreign security guards beat up protesters in the nation’s capital. Members of Erdogan’s security entourage, many in suits and some spotted wearing Turkish security badges, can be seen on a Voice of America video rushing into the peaceful demonstration and punching and kicking protesters in the head. Demonstrators were protesting Erdogan’s human rights violations soon after he met with President Donald Trump in the White House.
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