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United States44389 Posts
On June 16 2026 01:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2026 23:31 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2026 23:24 r00ty wrote:On June 15 2026 21:57 Simberto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2026 18:29 Jankisa wrote:
Let's imagine the nightmare world of Hillary winning instead of Trump.
It's 2020 and she just got re-elected in an overwhelming victory because Trump couldn't let 2016 go and had just enough grips over the Republican party for them to stay in a mutually destructive death spiral.
She coasted on Obama's recovering economy, kept the pandemic responses teams in place and handled the pandemic quite well, considering the circumstances, USA is the most vaccinated country and they got it first, she extended a helping hand to North Korea and Iran and shipped them vaccines as well. Since Netanyahu was ousted in 2018 and then indicted, the more moderate Israel scaled back the West Bank settlements and made concessions in Gaza, resulting in a normalization of relations between most of the Arab world and them.
The Iranian 2020 elections are basically an inverse of what they were in this fucked timeline where JCPOE remained in place and orange war criminal didn't blow up their most popular general on tarmac in Iraq, so reformists, instead of theocrats win 76 % of the vote, and in a historic move their first order of business is to sign the accords of normalization of relations with Israel and ask for Hesbolah and Hamas to come to the table.
That's just a fantasy world of mine that some time I like to think about, unfortunately, due to the inherent racism and brainwashed hatred people like oBlade have for immigrants, we get to live in the world of perpetual war and destruction. I can offen an even better fantasy world, and it requires much less change. Al Gore wins against Bush in 2001. A few votes in Florida is all that is necessary. Gore is president when 9/11 happens, and doesn't totally destabilize the middle east for no good reason with pointless wars. In my opinion, that was ultimately when stuff started to go downwards. But yeah, sadly we got stuck in the bad timeline. Bernie 2016. When the democrats actually cheated (themselves out of the better choice). Hillary 2016 and Biden 2024 were awful candidates. In addition to not winning the superdelegates in 2016 Bernie also didn't win the regulardelegates. He just didn't win. Setting aside the carnival game style rigging of a primary that they argued they legally wouldn't have to let Sanders be the nominee of even if he did win, the key point there is that Democrats denied themselves of the better choice. Instead they stubbornly chose the candidate that literally helped intentionally elevate Trump as a leader of the pack/representative of mainstream Republicans. Instead of forcing Republican voters (who actually liked Bernie more than any other viable Dem nominee in our lives) to deny the country of a Bernie Sanders presidency, Democrats sabotaged themselves, the country, and effectively the world because they believe it would make Republicans seem bad enough to mean Democrats could win while still being trash.
Weird take. Instead of going with the conspiracy take of the Democratic Party denied the will of the voters by forcing Clinton you're going the other direction, it was the rank and file members of the Democratic Party who denied themselves the obviously superior candidate by voting for their preferred candidate. So for you the problem isn't that the Party forced a candidate on the voters, it is that the voters forced a candidate on the Party.
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On June 16 2026 02:20 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 02:02 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 01:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2026 23:31 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2026 23:24 r00ty wrote:On June 15 2026 21:57 Simberto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2026 18:29 Jankisa wrote:
Let's imagine the nightmare world of Hillary winning instead of Trump.
It's 2020 and she just got re-elected in an overwhelming victory because Trump couldn't let 2016 go and had just enough grips over the Republican party for them to stay in a mutually destructive death spiral.
She coasted on Obama's recovering economy, kept the pandemic responses teams in place and handled the pandemic quite well, considering the circumstances, USA is the most vaccinated country and they got it first, she extended a helping hand to North Korea and Iran and shipped them vaccines as well. Since Netanyahu was ousted in 2018 and then indicted, the more moderate Israel scaled back the West Bank settlements and made concessions in Gaza, resulting in a normalization of relations between most of the Arab world and them.
The Iranian 2020 elections are basically an inverse of what they were in this fucked timeline where JCPOE remained in place and orange war criminal didn't blow up their most popular general on tarmac in Iraq, so reformists, instead of theocrats win 76 % of the vote, and in a historic move their first order of business is to sign the accords of normalization of relations with Israel and ask for Hesbolah and Hamas to come to the table.
That's just a fantasy world of mine that some time I like to think about, unfortunately, due to the inherent racism and brainwashed hatred people like oBlade have for immigrants, we get to live in the world of perpetual war and destruction. I can offen an even better fantasy world, and it requires much less change. Al Gore wins against Bush in 2001. A few votes in Florida is all that is necessary. Gore is president when 9/11 happens, and doesn't totally destabilize the middle east for no good reason with pointless wars. In my opinion, that was ultimately when stuff started to go downwards. But yeah, sadly we got stuck in the bad timeline. Bernie 2016. When the democrats actually cheated (themselves out of the better choice). Hillary 2016 and Biden 2024 were awful candidates. In addition to not winning the superdelegates in 2016 Bernie also didn't win the regulardelegates. He just didn't win. Setting aside the carnival game style rigging of a primary that they argued they legally wouldn't have to let Sanders be the nominee of even if he did win, the key point there is that Democrats denied themselves of the better choice. Instead they stubbornly chose the candidate that literally helped intentionally helped elevate Trump as a leader of the pack/representative of mainstream Republicans. Instead of forcing Republican voters (who actually liked Bernie more than any other viable Dem nominee in our lives) to deny the country of a Bernie Sanders presidency, Democrats sabotaged themselves, the country, and effectively the world because they believe it would make Republicans seem bad enough to mean Democrats could win while still being trash. Yep, the 15 million Democratic primary voters that thought Clinton was a better choice than Sanders in 2016 literally did so because they cognizantly wanted to betray their kin, country, and world. That's a hinged take that corresponds to reality. Of course not. It's easier to build and destroy your own strawman than actually reconcile reality with your worldview though, so we get a shitpost like that from you instead. I didn't even say anything about the fact that you're still repeating the "Clinton elevated Trump" disinformation that was already debunked for you weeks ago. I guess borrowing fascist rhetoric about the enemy simultaneously being weak but all-powerful is just too tempting to let facts get in the way of. Congratulations! You demolished another one of your strawmen.
It made sense not to mention it because it isn't a fact and you didn't debunk anything. You tried to dismiss/minimize/rationalize the Clinton campaign's unambiguous efforts (thankfully we have the email or you'd be gaslighting even harder) to intentionally help elevate Trump as "a leader of the pack" and someone that "actually represent[s] the mainstream of the Republican Party".
The Democrat primary in 2016 was a collection of catastrophic choices by Democrats leading to them handing power to Trump and letting him and his absurdly corrupt/incompetent administrations run amok.
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None of that is true and you even admitted it before you changed your mind and started saying it again.
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On June 16 2026 05:29 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 05:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 02:20 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 02:02 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 01:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2026 23:31 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2026 23:24 r00ty wrote:On June 15 2026 21:57 Simberto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2026 18:29 Jankisa wrote:
Let's imagine the nightmare world of Hillary winning instead of Trump.
It's 2020 and she just got re-elected in an overwhelming victory because Trump couldn't let 2016 go and had just enough grips over the Republican party for them to stay in a mutually destructive death spiral.
She coasted on Obama's recovering economy, kept the pandemic responses teams in place and handled the pandemic quite well, considering the circumstances, USA is the most vaccinated country and they got it first, she extended a helping hand to North Korea and Iran and shipped them vaccines as well. Since Netanyahu was ousted in 2018 and then indicted, the more moderate Israel scaled back the West Bank settlements and made concessions in Gaza, resulting in a normalization of relations between most of the Arab world and them.
The Iranian 2020 elections are basically an inverse of what they were in this fucked timeline where JCPOE remained in place and orange war criminal didn't blow up their most popular general on tarmac in Iraq, so reformists, instead of theocrats win 76 % of the vote, and in a historic move their first order of business is to sign the accords of normalization of relations with Israel and ask for Hesbolah and Hamas to come to the table.
That's just a fantasy world of mine that some time I like to think about, unfortunately, due to the inherent racism and brainwashed hatred people like oBlade have for immigrants, we get to live in the world of perpetual war and destruction. I can offen an even better fantasy world, and it requires much less change. Al Gore wins against Bush in 2001. A few votes in Florida is all that is necessary. Gore is president when 9/11 happens, and doesn't totally destabilize the middle east for no good reason with pointless wars. In my opinion, that was ultimately when stuff started to go downwards. But yeah, sadly we got stuck in the bad timeline. Bernie 2016. When the democrats actually cheated (themselves out of the better choice). Hillary 2016 and Biden 2024 were awful candidates. In addition to not winning the superdelegates in 2016 Bernie also didn't win the regulardelegates. He just didn't win. Setting aside the carnival game style rigging of a primary that they argued they legally wouldn't have to let Sanders be the nominee of even if he did win, the key point there is that Democrats denied themselves of the better choice. Instead they stubbornly chose the candidate that literally helped intentionally helped elevate Trump as a leader of the pack/representative of mainstream Republicans. Instead of forcing Republican voters (who actually liked Bernie more than any other viable Dem nominee in our lives) to deny the country of a Bernie Sanders presidency, Democrats sabotaged themselves, the country, and effectively the world because they believe it would make Republicans seem bad enough to mean Democrats could win while still being trash. Yep, the 15 million Democratic primary voters that thought Clinton was a better choice than Sanders in 2016 literally did so because they cognizantly wanted to betray their kin, country, and world. That's a hinged take that corresponds to reality. Of course not. It's easier to build and destroy your own strawman than actually reconcile reality with your worldview though, so we get a shitpost like that from you instead. I didn't even say anything about the fact that you're still repeating the "Clinton elevated Trump" disinformation that was already debunked for you weeks ago. I guess borrowing fascist rhetoric about the enemy simultaneously being weak but all-powerful is just too tempting to let facts get in the way of. Congratulations! You demolished another one of your strawmen. It made sense not to mention it because it isn't a fact and you didn't debunk anything. You tried to dismiss/minimize/rationalize the Clinton campaign's unambiguous efforts (thankfully we have the email or you'd be gaslighting even harder) to intentionally help elevate Trump as "a leader of the pack" and someone that "actually represent[s] the mainstream of the Republican Party". The Democrat primary in 2016 was a collection of catastrophic choices by Democrats leading to them handing power to Trump and letting him and his absurdly corrupt/incompetent administrations run amok. None of that is true + Show Spoiler +and you even admitted it before you changed your mind and started saying it again.
For the people that say some variation of that they post here in part for the "persuadable lurkers" types, you realize this level of denial comes off as delusional (in much the same way Trump supporters denialism seems to you) to them?
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Honestly, I never expected anyone to argue that Clinton campaign officials/Clinton allies/Clinton herself wanted Trump as her opponent, thinking he'd be easier than a more mainstream candidate, and sought to make him the candidate or use him to weaken the "harder" candidates by pushing them to the right. They emailed back and forth about it. It was conventional wisdom for everybody else too ... cue the clips of the zillion Clinton supporters saying Trump didn't even have a chance.
The case for rigging against Bernie is a little less clear on impact ... but the DNC chairwoman (the illustrious Wasserman Schultz) resigned over the scandal of not remaining neutral in the Democratic primary. Then DNC's Donna Brazile leaked questions/information to the Clinton campaign during the debating/town hall circuit parts of the primary (against Bernie). You can be an honest person and think Bernie loses the primary anyway, but I don't think you can honestly claim the DNC didn't favor and unethically help Clinton defeat Bernie.
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On June 16 2026 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 05:29 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 05:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 02:20 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 02:02 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 01:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2026 23:31 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2026 23:24 r00ty wrote:On June 15 2026 21:57 Simberto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2026 18:29 Jankisa wrote:
Let's imagine the nightmare world of Hillary winning instead of Trump.
It's 2020 and she just got re-elected in an overwhelming victory because Trump couldn't let 2016 go and had just enough grips over the Republican party for them to stay in a mutually destructive death spiral.
She coasted on Obama's recovering economy, kept the pandemic responses teams in place and handled the pandemic quite well, considering the circumstances, USA is the most vaccinated country and they got it first, she extended a helping hand to North Korea and Iran and shipped them vaccines as well. Since Netanyahu was ousted in 2018 and then indicted, the more moderate Israel scaled back the West Bank settlements and made concessions in Gaza, resulting in a normalization of relations between most of the Arab world and them.
The Iranian 2020 elections are basically an inverse of what they were in this fucked timeline where JCPOE remained in place and orange war criminal didn't blow up their most popular general on tarmac in Iraq, so reformists, instead of theocrats win 76 % of the vote, and in a historic move their first order of business is to sign the accords of normalization of relations with Israel and ask for Hesbolah and Hamas to come to the table.
That's just a fantasy world of mine that some time I like to think about, unfortunately, due to the inherent racism and brainwashed hatred people like oBlade have for immigrants, we get to live in the world of perpetual war and destruction. I can offen an even better fantasy world, and it requires much less change. Al Gore wins against Bush in 2001. A few votes in Florida is all that is necessary. Gore is president when 9/11 happens, and doesn't totally destabilize the middle east for no good reason with pointless wars. In my opinion, that was ultimately when stuff started to go downwards. But yeah, sadly we got stuck in the bad timeline. Bernie 2016. When the democrats actually cheated (themselves out of the better choice). Hillary 2016 and Biden 2024 were awful candidates. In addition to not winning the superdelegates in 2016 Bernie also didn't win the regulardelegates. He just didn't win. Setting aside the carnival game style rigging of a primary that they argued they legally wouldn't have to let Sanders be the nominee of even if he did win, the key point there is that Democrats denied themselves of the better choice. Instead they stubbornly chose the candidate that literally helped intentionally helped elevate Trump as a leader of the pack/representative of mainstream Republicans. Instead of forcing Republican voters (who actually liked Bernie more than any other viable Dem nominee in our lives) to deny the country of a Bernie Sanders presidency, Democrats sabotaged themselves, the country, and effectively the world because they believe it would make Republicans seem bad enough to mean Democrats could win while still being trash. Yep, the 15 million Democratic primary voters that thought Clinton was a better choice than Sanders in 2016 literally did so because they cognizantly wanted to betray their kin, country, and world. That's a hinged take that corresponds to reality. Of course not. It's easier to build and destroy your own strawman than actually reconcile reality with your worldview though, so we get a shitpost like that from you instead. I didn't even say anything about the fact that you're still repeating the "Clinton elevated Trump" disinformation that was already debunked for you weeks ago. I guess borrowing fascist rhetoric about the enemy simultaneously being weak but all-powerful is just too tempting to let facts get in the way of. Congratulations! You demolished another one of your strawmen. It made sense not to mention it because it isn't a fact and you didn't debunk anything. You tried to dismiss/minimize/rationalize the Clinton campaign's unambiguous efforts (thankfully we have the email or you'd be gaslighting even harder) to intentionally help elevate Trump as "a leader of the pack" and someone that "actually represent[s] the mainstream of the Republican Party". The Democrat primary in 2016 was a collection of catastrophic choices by Democrats leading to them handing power to Trump and letting him and his absurdly corrupt/incompetent administrations run amok. None of that is true + Show Spoiler +and you even admitted it before you changed your mind and started saying it again. For the people that say some variation of that they post here in part for the "persuadable lurkers" types, you realize this level of denial comes off as delusional (in much the same way Trump supporters denialism seems to you) to them?
So this is the part where I link directly to the post of you saying the thing you're crying is a strawman, and then you say "lolwut" again and hope people forget this conversation happened before you go back to repeating it, right?
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On June 16 2026 07:31 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 05:29 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 05:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 02:20 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 02:02 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 01:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2026 23:31 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2026 23:24 r00ty wrote:
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Bernie 2016. When the democrats actually cheated (themselves out of the better choice). Hillary 2016 and Biden 2024 were awful candidates. In addition to not winning the superdelegates in 2016 Bernie also didn't win the regulardelegates. He just didn't win. Setting aside the carnival game style rigging of a primary that they argued they legally wouldn't have to let Sanders be the nominee of even if he did win, the key point there is that Democrats denied themselves of the better choice. Instead they stubbornly chose the candidate that literally helped intentionally helped elevate Trump as a leader of the pack/representative of mainstream Republicans. Instead of forcing Republican voters (who actually liked Bernie more than any other viable Dem nominee in our lives) to deny the country of a Bernie Sanders presidency, Democrats sabotaged themselves, the country, and effectively the world because they believe it would make Republicans seem bad enough to mean Democrats could win while still being trash. Yep, the 15 million Democratic primary voters that thought Clinton was a better choice than Sanders in 2016 literally did so because they cognizantly wanted to betray their kin, country, and world. That's a hinged take that corresponds to reality. Of course not. It's easier to build and destroy your own strawman than actually reconcile reality with your worldview though, so we get a shitpost like that from you instead. I didn't even say anything about the fact that you're still repeating the "Clinton elevated Trump" disinformation that was already debunked for you weeks ago. I guess borrowing fascist rhetoric about the enemy simultaneously being weak but all-powerful is just too tempting to let facts get in the way of. Congratulations! You demolished another one of your strawmen. It made sense not to mention it because it isn't a fact and you didn't debunk anything. You tried to dismiss/minimize/rationalize the Clinton campaign's unambiguous efforts (thankfully we have the email or you'd be gaslighting even harder) to intentionally help elevate Trump as "a leader of the pack" and someone that "actually represent[s] the mainstream of the Republican Party". The Democrat primary in 2016 was a collection of catastrophic choices by Democrats leading to them handing power to Trump and letting him and his absurdly corrupt/incompetent administrations run amok. None of that is true + Show Spoiler +and you even admitted it before you changed your mind and started saying it again. For the people that say some variation of that they post here in part for the "persuadable lurkers" types, you realize this level of denial comes off as delusional (in much the same way Trump supporters denialism seems to you) to them? So this is the part where I link directly to the post of you saying the thing you're crying is a strawman, and then you say "lolwut" again and hope people forget this conversation happened before you go back to repeating it, right?
Responding directly to claims made in 2026 is strawmanning, sorry I don’t make the rules…
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On June 16 2026 07:31 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 05:42 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 05:29 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 05:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 02:20 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 16 2026 02:02 LightSpectra wrote:On June 16 2026 01:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 15 2026 23:31 KwarK wrote:On June 15 2026 23:24 r00ty wrote:
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Bernie 2016. When the democrats actually cheated (themselves out of the better choice). Hillary 2016 and Biden 2024 were awful candidates. In addition to not winning the superdelegates in 2016 Bernie also didn't win the regulardelegates. He just didn't win. Setting aside the carnival game style rigging of a primary that they argued they legally wouldn't have to let Sanders be the nominee of even if he did win, the key point there is that Democrats denied themselves of the better choice. Instead they stubbornly chose the candidate that literally helped intentionally helped elevate Trump as a leader of the pack/representative of mainstream Republicans. Instead of forcing Republican voters (who actually liked Bernie more than any other viable Dem nominee in our lives) to deny the country of a Bernie Sanders presidency, Democrats sabotaged themselves, the country, and effectively the world because they believe it would make Republicans seem bad enough to mean Democrats could win while still being trash. Yep, the 15 million Democratic primary voters that thought Clinton was a better choice than Sanders in 2016 literally did so because they cognizantly wanted to betray their kin, country, and world. That's a hinged take that corresponds to reality. Of course not. It's easier to build and destroy your own strawman than actually reconcile reality with your worldview though, so we get a shitpost like that from you instead. I didn't even say anything about the fact that you're still repeating the "Clinton elevated Trump" disinformation that was already debunked for you weeks ago. I guess borrowing fascist rhetoric about the enemy simultaneously being weak but all-powerful is just too tempting to let facts get in the way of. Congratulations! You demolished another one of your strawmen. It made sense not to mention it because it isn't a fact and you didn't debunk anything. You tried to dismiss/minimize/rationalize the Clinton campaign's unambiguous efforts (thankfully we have the email or you'd be gaslighting even harder) to intentionally help elevate Trump as "a leader of the pack" and someone that "actually represent[s] the mainstream of the Republican Party". The Democrat primary in 2016 was a collection of catastrophic choices by Democrats leading to them handing power to Trump and letting him and his absurdly corrupt/incompetent administrations run amok. None of that is true + Show Spoiler +and you even admitted it before you changed your mind and started saying it again. For the people that say some variation of that they post here in part for the "persuadable lurkers" types, you realize this level of denial comes off as delusional (in much the same way Trump supporters denialism seems to you) to them? So this is the part where I link directly to the post + Show Spoiler +of you saying the thing you're crying is a strawman, and then you say "lolwut" again and hope people forget this conversation happened before you go back to repeating it, right?
Except you didn't. Probably because you're wilfully (or obliviously maybe) misinterpreting something that would be obvious if/when people read it again.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On June 16 2026 06:07 dyhb wrote:
Honestly, I never expected anyone to argue that Clinton campaign officials/Clinton allies/Clinton herself wanted Trump as her opponent, thinking he'd be easier than a more mainstream candidate, and sought to make him the candidate or use him to weaken the "harder" candidates by pushing them to the right. They emailed back and forth about it. It was conventional wisdom for everybody else too ... cue the clips of the zillion Clinton supporters saying Trump didn't even have a chance.
The case for rigging against Bernie is a little less clear on impact ... but the DNC chairwoman (the illustrious Wasserman Schultz) resigned over the scandal of not remaining neutral in the Democratic primary. Then DNC's Donna Brazile leaked questions/information to the Clinton campaign during the debating/town hall circuit parts of the primary (against Bernie). You can be an honest person and think Bernie loses the primary anyway, but I don't think you can honestly claim the DNC didn't favor and unethically help Clinton defeat Bernie.
Aye can’t really disagree with much here.
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United States44389 Posts
The memorandum of intent to hold future peace talks seems to involve some concessions from both sides. The US will have to pay reparations to Iran but in return Iran has indicated that they will allow a 60 day grace period before imposing tolls on their strait. None of it is real in any case though, the memorandum includes commitments for Israel which were agreed to by the US without asking Israel and Iran have no intention of handing over uranium.
The whole thing is literally fake news. It’s not a peace deal, the two sides are still irreconcilably apart.
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On June 16 2026 08:47 KwarK wrote:
The memorandum of intent to hold future peace talks seems to involve some concessions from both sides. The US will have to pay reparations to Iran but in return Iran has indicated that they will allow a 60 day grace period before imposing tolls on their strait. None of it is real in any case though, the memorandum includes commitments for Israel which were agreed to by the US without asking Israel and Iran have no intention of handing over uranium.
The whole thing is literally fake news. It’s not a peace deal, the two sides are still irreconcilably apart.
I dunno. Sounds like a peace deal to me. It says "we'll go back to how things were before the US started bombing except that the US has to pay reparations (not enough), Iran might charge toll on the Strait, and they will return to negotiating exactly what they were negotiating in February too, but now Iran's government is more hardline and the US is covered in egg. Capitulation is also peace.
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United States44389 Posts
On June 16 2026 08:55 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 08:47 KwarK wrote:
The memorandum of intent to hold future peace talks seems to involve some concessions from both sides. The US will have to pay reparations to Iran but in return Iran has indicated that they will allow a 60 day grace period before imposing tolls on their strait. None of it is real in any case though, the memorandum includes commitments for Israel which were agreed to by the US without asking Israel and Iran have no intention of handing over uranium.
The whole thing is literally fake news. It’s not a peace deal, the two sides are still irreconcilably apart. I dunno. Sounds like a peace deal to me. It says "we'll go back to how things were before the US started bombing except that the US has to pay reparations (not enough), Iran might charge toll on the Strait, and they will return to negotiating exactly what they were negotiating in February too, but now Iran's government is more hardline and the US is covered in egg. Capitulation is also peace.
But normally in a peace deal the shooting stops. In this one it won't. Also normally in a deal there's a deal, this is an agreement to hold talks.
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@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in?
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In not surprising news of the day. A mega church pastor and Trump endorsed Rev. Jackson Lahmeyer got busted by his wife two days before the primary desperately trying to sleep with an ex miss oklahoma who was working on his campaign, she was not interested.
Don’t worry I’m sure no one in the Republican Party or at his church will care, because he’s on their team and therefore morals don’t matter. In fact they just get in the way.
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On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in?
How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad.
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I'm thinking that if there was anything good about this deal, we would've heard it leaked before now. That's going to be my default presumption, but it's not definitive.
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United States44389 Posts
On June 16 2026 10:12 Billyboy wrote:
In not surprising news of the day. A mega church pastor and Trump endorsed Rev. Jackson Lahmeyer got busted by his wife two days before the primary desperately trying to sleep with an ex miss oklahoma who was working on his campaign, she was not interested.
Don’t worry I’m sure no one in the Republican Party or at his church will care, because he’s on their team and therefore morals don’t matter. In fact they just get in the way. She wasn’t even underage or a rent boy, just a woman he had power over who he wasn’t married to. How embarrassing for them to discover that their candidate was a Democrat at this point in the campaign. If only she’d been 17 or, if he couldn’t manage that, his own daughter. Guy was only pretending to be Republican but it turned out he had nothing in common with them.
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United States44389 Posts
On June 16 2026 13:32 dyhb wrote:
I'm thinking that if there was anything good about this deal, we would've heard it leaked before now. That's going to be my default presumption, but it's not definitive.
https://x.com/atrupar/status/2066512023232381379
Vance seems to think that Iran could be getting $300b.
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On June 16 2026 13:52 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 13:32 dyhb wrote:
I'm thinking that if there was anything good about this deal, we would've heard it leaked before now. That's going to be my default presumption, but it's not definitive. https://x.com/atrupar/status/2066512023232381379Vance seems to think that Iran could be getting $300b.
Nothing says you have won a war quite like having to pay reparations. Sadly the US only won half as hard as Germany did in 1918, where we had to pay about $600 billion in todays money.
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United States44389 Posts
On June 16 2026 13:55 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 13:52 KwarK wrote:On June 16 2026 13:32 dyhb wrote:
I'm thinking that if there was anything good about this deal, we would've heard it leaked before now. That's going to be my default presumption, but it's not definitive. https://x.com/atrupar/status/2066512023232381379Vance seems to think that Iran could be getting $300b. Nothing says you have won a war quite like having to pay reparations. Sadly the US only won half as hard as Germany did in 1918, where we had to pay about $600 billion in todays money.
Fun fact, the US paid that one too. Net cash actually flowed into Germany. US banks loaned money to Germany which gave it to Britain and France which sent it to the US to repay war loans. But new US loans actually exceeded the cash outflows in reparations. Those loans from US banks were later repudiated by the Nazis.
Post WW1 the countries getting drained of cash were Britain and France which were heavily indebted to the US, not Germany.
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