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On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad.
Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday.
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In before Trump just had the concept of a deal.
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On June 16 2026 22:41 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad. Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday.
Between now and Saturday is not 60 days.
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On June 16 2026 23:28 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 22:41 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad. Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday. Between now and Saturday is not 60 days.
Normally that's just 4 days away, sure, but if you decide to multiply that number by 1500%* to balance out Trump's magical reductions on drug prices, I think we can get to 60 
* "Trump said in late August: “We have something coming up, favored nations, where I’m going to be reducing drug prices by 1400 to 1500%.” " https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/23/politics/fact-check-drug-prices-trump
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On June 16 2026 23:28 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 22:41 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad. Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday. Between now and Saturday is not 60 days.
Oh you want to wait until the final deal is signed. Smart dodge, because it’s very unlikely to be signed in 60 days as well.
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I forget if I've mentioned this before, but I was highly amused to realize that of the three major wars in the United States' history that we've unequivocally lost, Trump surrendered two of them (Afghanistan, Iran) and draft dodged the third (Vietnam).
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On June 17 2026 00:19 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2026 23:28 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 22:41 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad. Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday. Between now and Saturday is not 60 days. Oh you want to wait until the final deal is signed. Smart dodge, because it’s very unlikely to be signed in 60 days as well.
...What did you think was happening on Saturday?
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On June 17 2026 00:26 LightSpectra wrote:
I forget if I've mentioned this before, but I was highly amused to realize that of the three major wars in the United States' history that we've unequivocally lost, Trump surrendered two of them (Afghanistan, Iran) and draft dodged the third (Vietnam).
There's not a hardline Islamic Republic in the world that he hasn't surrendered to.
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On June 17 2026 00:28 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2026 00:19 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 23:28 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 22:41 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad. Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday. Between now and Saturday is not 60 days. Oh you want to wait until the final deal is signed. Smart dodge, because it’s very unlikely to be signed in 60 days as well. ...What did you think was happening on Saturday?
What your dear leader is calling a peace deal, but apparently you like the rest of the world don’t consider it one, was to be formally signed on Friday. And apparently virtually signed yesterday. But again this is news from the Donald Trump administration so it is more than likely wrong.
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On June 17 2026 00:26 LightSpectra wrote:
I forget if I've mentioned this before, but I was highly amused to realize that of the three major wars in the United States' history that we've unequivocally lost, Trump surrendered two of them (Afghanistan, Iran) and draft dodged the third (Vietnam). You should really drop "major" when you are comparing an 8 year war and a 20 year war (well, war and occupation) with a 3-4 month war (if you want to declare it lost, it has to have ended, so good luck defining that). Wars with 500k and 100k troops deployed on the ground are major compared to 40k total and under 1,000 troops actually engaged on the ground (pilot rescue). You're really bending credibility to group them all together as major wars. Which maybe you know you strain credibility, but you're happy to make silly exaggerations and call everybody fascists for pointing them out.
The Iran war is most likely an unequivocal loss once we have confirmation of the terms of the ceasefire, with the caveat that it could resume at any time since ... well, have you seen the ceasefires lately?
Trump must share credit for losing the occupation and pacification of Afghanistan with Biden, who changed the terms of Trump's agreed-upon troop pullout from May to September 11th. As Biden had the power to change or reverse such an agreement on his own authority, and did change it, he stands on that surrender podium alongside Trump. Biden could have said that the Taliban is not honoring its commitment to a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, or engaged faithfully in the intra-Afghan negotiations, and thus the Doha agreement is abridged and American troops stay.
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Don't get me wrong, surrendering to the Taliban was one of the best things adjudicated rapist Donald Trump did, the war was arguably already lost while George W. Bush was president. The only shame is that he left the Defense and State Departments in such a bad state understaffed or with incompetent appointments that Biden wasn't able to fix before the pullout date, resulting in numerous unnecessary deaths.
Don't really feel much point in quibbling about the term "major". If we're paying more reparations than the Weimar Republic did after World War I even after adjusting for inflation, that's a major loss.
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On June 17 2026 02:10 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2026 00:28 oBlade wrote:On June 17 2026 00:19 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 23:28 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 22:41 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad. Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday. Between now and Saturday is not 60 days. Oh you want to wait until the final deal is signed. Smart dodge, because it’s very unlikely to be signed in 60 days as well. ...What did you think was happening on Saturday? What your dear leader is calling a peace deal, but apparently you like the rest of the world don’t consider it one, was to be formally signed on Friday. And apparently virtually signed yesterday. But again this is news from the Donald Trump administration so it is more than likely wrong.
Okay among all your babbling I managed to figure out you're confusing a supposed 2 month ceasefire extension and some future potential permanent deal as the same thing.
Since you repeatedly want me to opine on something now, or within 1 week, or within 2 months, even though you think the thing you in utter good faith want my opinion on won't even have begun to exist by then, I can indulge you: The value of Iran not having a nuclear weapon exceeds even an entire year's gas costs for you. But there's no guarantee that's in a permanent deal you say? Then again it's back to why are you babbling to me with questions about something that doesn't exist. There is just not a chance of the administration agreeing to any framework that lets them get close to a nuclear weapon.
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On June 17 2026 03:16 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2026 02:10 Billyboy wrote:On June 17 2026 00:28 oBlade wrote:On June 17 2026 00:19 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 23:28 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 22:41 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad. Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday. Between now and Saturday is not 60 days. Oh you want to wait until the final deal is signed. Smart dodge, because it’s very unlikely to be signed in 60 days as well. ...What did you think was happening on Saturday? What your dear leader is calling a peace deal, but apparently you like the rest of the world don’t consider it one, was to be formally signed on Friday. And apparently virtually signed yesterday. But again this is news from the Donald Trump administration so it is more than likely wrong. Okay among all your babbling I managed to figure out you're confusing a supposed 2 month ceasefire extension and some future potential permanent deal as the same thing. Since you repeatedly want me to opine on something now, or within 1 week, or within 2 months, even though you think the thing you in utter good faith want my opinion on won't even have begun to exist by then, I can indulge you: The value of Iran not having a nuclear weapon exceeds even an entire year's gas costs for you. But there's no guarantee that's in a permanent deal you say? Then again it's back to why are you babbling to me with questions about something that doesn't exist. There is just not a chance of the administration agreeing to any framework that lets them get close to a nuclear weapon.
You and your dear leader disagree. I agree there is no peace deal.
"This Great Deal will bring Peace and Security to the whole Region," Trump wrote June 14 on Truth Social. "Many presidents have tried to make Peace with Iran, and all have failed before me. The Leaders of the Region have, for the first time, found a President who can help them achieve real Peace."
But like I said of you want to wait for the ink to dry on the next one so you have time to come up with how this obvious massive loss is a win, take your time.
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On June 17 2026 03:40 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2026 03:16 oBlade wrote:On June 17 2026 02:10 Billyboy wrote:On June 17 2026 00:28 oBlade wrote:On June 17 2026 00:19 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 23:28 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 22:41 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad. Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday. Between now and Saturday is not 60 days. Oh you want to wait until the final deal is signed. Smart dodge, because it’s very unlikely to be signed in 60 days as well. ...What did you think was happening on Saturday? What your dear leader is calling a peace deal, but apparently you like the rest of the world don’t consider it one, was to be formally signed on Friday. And apparently virtually signed yesterday. But again this is news from the Donald Trump administration so it is more than likely wrong. Okay among all your babbling I managed to figure out you're confusing a supposed 2 month ceasefire extension and some future potential permanent deal as the same thing. Since you repeatedly want me to opine on something now, or within 1 week, or within 2 months, even though you think the thing you in utter good faith want my opinion on won't even have begun to exist by then, I can indulge you: The value of Iran not having a nuclear weapon exceeds even an entire year's gas costs for you. But there's no guarantee that's in a permanent deal you say? Then again it's back to why are you babbling to me with questions about something that doesn't exist. There is just not a chance of the administration agreeing to any framework that lets them get close to a nuclear weapon. You and your dear leader disagree. I agree there is no peace deal. Show nested quote + "This Great Deal will bring Peace and Security to the whole Region," Trump wrote June 14 on Truth Social. "Many presidents have tried to make Peace with Iran, and all have failed before me. The Leaders of the Region have, for the first time, found a President who can help them achieve real Peace." But like I said of you want to wait for the ink to dry on the next one so you have time to come up with how this obvious massive loss is a win, take your time.
They're both deals buddy. Everything two parties agree to is a deal. Yeah I'm going to wait for the actual thing not a tweet. You should too. You should do the same before you go "durr this is a massive loss." "ok what is?" "The thing that doesn't exist." The front and back of your own words don't even match. Turn off the TV, eat breakfast, go to work, lower your blood pressure, etc. The world's going to be fine.
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On June 17 2026 03:49 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2026 03:40 Billyboy wrote:On June 17 2026 03:16 oBlade wrote:On June 17 2026 02:10 Billyboy wrote:On June 17 2026 00:28 oBlade wrote:On June 17 2026 00:19 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 23:28 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 22:41 Billyboy wrote:On June 16 2026 12:29 oBlade wrote:On June 16 2026 09:40 Billyboy wrote:
@oBlade how does this line up with Rubio’s 11 or was it 14 points? Did the US accomplish its mission? Was it worth the cost?
Or do you want wait the 60 days to weigh in? How does the memorandum of understanding none of us has read because it's neither leaked nor released for a deal that hasn't been negotiated or signed or written or read by us yet line up with the Secretary of State? Normally I'd say to read it before having an opinion but in this case the answer is clear and unequivocal: Drumpf Bad. Ok, let’s wait. Seems like lots of information out there, but if you want to wait that is your call. Let me know on Saturday. Between now and Saturday is not 60 days. Oh you want to wait until the final deal is signed. Smart dodge, because it’s very unlikely to be signed in 60 days as well. ...What did you think was happening on Saturday? What your dear leader is calling a peace deal, but apparently you like the rest of the world don’t consider it one, was to be formally signed on Friday. And apparently virtually signed yesterday. But again this is news from the Donald Trump administration so it is more than likely wrong. Okay among all your babbling I managed to figure out you're confusing a supposed 2 month ceasefire extension and some future potential permanent deal as the same thing. Since you repeatedly want me to opine on something now, or within 1 week, or within 2 months, even though you think the thing you in utter good faith want my opinion on won't even have begun to exist by then, I can indulge you: The value of Iran not having a nuclear weapon exceeds even an entire year's gas costs for you. But there's no guarantee that's in a permanent deal you say? Then again it's back to why are you babbling to me with questions about something that doesn't exist. There is just not a chance of the administration agreeing to any framework that lets them get close to a nuclear weapon. You and your dear leader disagree. I agree there is no peace deal. "This Great Deal will bring Peace and Security to the whole Region," Trump wrote June 14 on Truth Social. "Many presidents have tried to make Peace with Iran, and all have failed before me. The Leaders of the Region have, for the first time, found a President who can help them achieve real Peace." But like I said of you want to wait for the ink to dry on the next one so you have time to come up with how this obvious massive loss is a win, take your time. They're both deals buddy. Everything two parties agree to is a deal. Yeah I'm going to wait for the actual thing not a tweet. You should too. You should do the same before you go "durr this is a massive loss." "ok what is?" "The thing that doesn't exist." The front and back of your own words don't even match. Turn off the TV, eat breakfast, go to work, lower your blood pressure, etc. The world's going to be fine.
I’m feeling really confident that it is a big loss. I’m not worried that Iran is going to 180 and give the IS what they want. They are in the better position that just keeps getting better.
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On June 17 2026 03:00 LightSpectra wrote:
Don't get me wrong, surrendering to the Taliban was one of the best things adjudicated rapist Donald Trump did, the war was arguably already lost while George W. Bush was president. The only shame is that he left the Defense and State Departments in such a bad state understaffed or with incompetent appointments that Biden wasn't able to fix before the pullout date, resulting in numerous unnecessary deaths.
Don't really feel much point in quibbling about the term "major". If we're paying more reparations than the Weimar Republic did after World War I even after adjusting for inflation, that's a major loss. You can have major financial consequences from non-major wars. Or major concessions for that matter.
And the Biden team, for all their failures, was not so incompetent as to be incapable of staffing the Defense and State Departments 3+ months after office. He had the same career civil servants as previous administrations. His top advisors that had key roles in Afghanistan, Lloyd Austin and Tony Blinken, were quickly appointed. His national security cabinet was in place. We don't have to bemoan the vacant deputy and assistant secretaries in order to get the full story on Afghanistan. I'd look to those vacancies if we were seeking to explain problems in defense accounting or problems in reforming visa processing systems.
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On June 17 2026 03:00 LightSpectra wrote:
Don't get me wrong, surrendering to the Taliban was one of the best things adjudicated rapist Donald Trump did, the war was arguably already lost while George W. Bush was president. The only shame is that he left the Defense and State Departments in such a bad state understaffed or with incompetent appointments that Biden wasn't able to fix before the pullout date, resulting in numerous unnecessary deaths.
Don't really feel much point in quibbling about the term "major". If we're paying more reparations than the Weimar Republic did after World War I even after adjusting for inflation, that's a major loss.
USAfghanistan collapsed at lightspeed.
No amount of preperation would have prevented this. Afghanistan would have needed at least 200 years of occupation and re-education to nut succumb to the clan and warlord structure again.
It's a shithole that is suprisingly having much in common with MAGA and what rightwing populists want for europe
- isolationism
- racism
- underage marriage
- religious fundametalism dictating everyday rules
- no tolerance of other religions
- opression of women
- science and education are perceived as evil and ungodly
It's basicly the "Hegseth" recipe of how the world should be made for weak men with fragile egos.
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Are you actually subscribed to the NYT and Vanity Fair and all this stuff or you just Google and insta paste whatever comes up without reading as far as to see if there's paywalls?
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On June 17 2026 04:34 KT_Elwood wrote:
It's basicly the "Hegseth" recipe of how the world should be made for weak men with fragile egos.
I distinctly remember headlines like " US anti-vaxxers offer support of the Taliban" around when the withdrawal in 2021 happened.
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