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We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community.
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On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
What's remarkable is because our history is so terribly taught and completely white washed the people saying this stuff (that you're responding to, not your post) have no idea they are 60+ year old talking points that have been long since dismantled by reasoned people.
I think exemplified (intentionally or not) with the reference to John Adams and the Boston Massacre which was basically the foundational "the police were justified in shooting that aggressive negro and his rabble-rousers" of the country. An event which was unsurprisingly exploited by the founders to gin up support for the ensuing revolutionary war that followed.
It also means people are given far too much benefit of the doubt that they aren't intentionally propagating racist propaganda.
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Here's a cut of some of the state repression of political dissidents compiled from the last few days.
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Bringing numbers to show that black people commits more crimes is just the usual stupidity of white incels/rascits/internet troll. Steve Bannon and Trump took care of influencing those fragile and insecure people since a long time.
Quite suprise that team liquid is bringing this kind of discussion in a moderate way where 4chan and reddit are just around the corner with massives post going completely crazy and propagating tons of far right propaganda.
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On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community.
And how is rioting going to help any of this?
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Well, it's not like the problem hasn't been known for decades (at least)? Nothing else worked so, maybe this does? At least its too big to ignore.
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And how is rioting going to help any of this?
It will not, and the poor shops owner are just victims. But people and specialy the poor black community in Minneapolis is just being sick to see cops being untouchable.
After Los Angeles riots in 1992 nothing has changed.
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On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this?
It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?").
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It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?").
Well said.
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On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?").
That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that.
When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it.
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On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it.
Explain us why they are rioting. You seem convinced by something but you are not tellling us what is it.
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On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it.
You've moved the goalpost from "helping" to "a solution". You are failing to recognize what a riot is if you're looking for a solution in it. Others have already explained that point, and referenced others who explained it decades ago and has been repeated consistently for those intervening decades.
At some point people have to see such obtuse obstinance for what it is.
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On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that.
Rioting is a solution when all other solutions have been exhausted.
Birmingham some many decades ago didn’t occur because MLK started a riot. It happened organically when the black people of the area just had enough and torched their own community.
JFK tried to shut it down by straddling the line by trying to stop the riots while appeasing the white population by not directly engaging with MLK. It didn’t do anything since New York, North Carolina and Mississippi started burning.
Racial strife was intensifying and wasn’t going to end. So JFK eventually did the right thing and announced on TV that he was going to push through civil rights legislation.
Peaceful protests didn’t do anything during the civil rights movement, it was only when cities started burning that the people in charge moved proactively. Riots do not happen for no reason, they are always an emotional explosion in reaction to something.
It is like looking at the Russian people trash St Petersburg during the February Revolution and concluding that they’re all stupid people who are wrecking the lives of innocent people and fantastic historical architecture just because of a few bad years in Russia. No, it was a huge organic outpouring of emotion from serfs who have had been subjugated by an upper class for centuries.
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On May 31 2020 16:27 rekoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it. Explain us why they are rioting. You seem convinced by something but you are not tellling us what is it.
My take is that the riots are an emotional response borne out of frustration. But that's not the point. People in this thread were defending the riots, as if they were reasonable because "there is no other option". And that is just wrong. Even if there were "no other option", which is obviously not true, this line of reasoning assumes that riots are an "option" to tackle the problem of abuse of power by the police. And that's simply not the case. Riots don't solve anything and are not an "option". So stop defending riots.
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On May 31 2020 16:45 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:27 rekoJ wrote:On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it. Explain us why they are rioting. You seem convinced by something but you are not tellling us what is it. My take is that the riots are an emotional response borne out of frustration. But that's not the point. People in this thread were defending the riots, as if they were reasonable because "there is no other option". And that is just wrong. Even if there were "no other option", which is obviously not true, this line of reasoning assumes that riots are an "option" to tackle the problem of abuse of power by the police. And that's simply not the case. Riots don't solve anything and are not an "option". So stop defending riots.
What other goddamn option is there. Black Lives Matter have been protesting peacefully only to have people in this very thread whine that they are un-American for kneeling during the anthem and that black lives matter divides America because blue lives and all lives also matter.
Peaceful methods have been tried for decades. Police officers have still killed black people without punishment for decades, even with adequate evidence of intentional harm being done. Riots are the only solution left for a people who have tried peaceful protests and strategic voting.
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On May 31 2020 16:45 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:27 rekoJ wrote:On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it. Explain us why they are rioting. You seem convinced by something but you are not tellling us what is it. My take is that the riots are an emotional response borne out of frustration. But that's not the point. People in this thread were defending the riots, as if they were reasonable because "there is no other option". And that is just wrong. Even if there were "no other option", which is obviously not true, this line of reasoning assumes that riots are an "option" to tackle the problem of abuse of power by the police. And that's simply not the case. Riots don't solve anything and are not an "option". So stop defending riots.
Thanks Sr18 for your answer. So you understand that riots are caused by frustration. And if I may link it to the end of your statement, it is caused by the frustration of the abuse of power of the police.
Now lets forget a bit about the people here trying to defend the rioters and try to answer a second question, if you were victim of the power of the police, what would you do to have justice and prevent stuff like this happen again ?
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On May 31 2020 16:47 StalkerTL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:27 rekoJ wrote:On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it. Explain us why they are rioting. You seem convinced by something but you are not tellling us what is it. My take is that the riots are an emotional response borne out of frustration. But that's not the point. People in this thread were defending the riots, as if they were reasonable because "there is no other option". And that is just wrong. Even if there were "no other option", which is obviously not true, this line of reasoning assumes that riots are an "option" to tackle the problem of abuse of power by the police. And that's simply not the case. Riots don't solve anything and are not an "option". So stop defending riots. Riots are the only solution left for a people who have tried peaceful protests and strategic voting.
Which leads back to the question: how are riots a solution?
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On May 31 2020 16:55 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:47 StalkerTL wrote:On May 31 2020 16:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:27 rekoJ wrote:On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it. Explain us why they are rioting. You seem convinced by something but you are not tellling us what is it. My take is that the riots are an emotional response borne out of frustration. But that's not the point. People in this thread were defending the riots, as if they were reasonable because "there is no other option". And that is just wrong. Even if there were "no other option", which is obviously not true, this line of reasoning assumes that riots are an "option" to tackle the problem of abuse of power by the police. And that's simply not the case. Riots don't solve anything and are not an "option". So stop defending riots. Riots are the only solution left for a people who have tried peaceful protests and strategic voting. Which leads back to the question: how are riots a solution?
It's easy to criticize, harder to be constructive. What are your solutions for the black people there then?
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On May 31 2020 16:55 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:47 StalkerTL wrote:On May 31 2020 16:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:27 rekoJ wrote:On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it. Explain us why they are rioting. You seem convinced by something but you are not tellling us what is it. My take is that the riots are an emotional response borne out of frustration. But that's not the point. People in this thread were defending the riots, as if they were reasonable because "there is no other option". And that is just wrong. Even if there were "no other option", which is obviously not true, this line of reasoning assumes that riots are an "option" to tackle the problem of abuse of power by the police. And that's simply not the case. Riots don't solve anything and are not an "option". So stop defending riots. Riots are the only solution left for a people who have tried peaceful protests and strategic voting. Which leads back to the question: how are riots a solution?
They force those in power to actually do something to propose a solution in good faith. It happened in Russia by forcing a complete change in government and ending dynastic rule. It happened in Birmingham by forcing JFK to announce that he was going to push civil rights legislation rather than try to maintain the status quo of keeping black peoples calm and white business owners happy and safe.
The successes of the civil rights movement only happened when the protests stopped being peaceful and started get violent. So there is historical proof of them achieving change. If America didn’t want riots, they could have overhauled the justice system that they know is wrong decades ago rather than trying “slow progress” all while black people get choked to death.
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On May 31 2020 17:00 StalkerTL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 16:55 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:47 StalkerTL wrote:On May 31 2020 16:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:27 rekoJ wrote:On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it. Explain us why they are rioting. You seem convinced by something but you are not tellling us what is it. My take is that the riots are an emotional response borne out of frustration. But that's not the point. People in this thread were defending the riots, as if they were reasonable because "there is no other option". And that is just wrong. Even if there were "no other option", which is obviously not true, this line of reasoning assumes that riots are an "option" to tackle the problem of abuse of power by the police. And that's simply not the case. Riots don't solve anything and are not an "option". So stop defending riots. Riots are the only solution left for a people who have tried peaceful protests and strategic voting. Which leads back to the question: how are riots a solution? They force those in power to actually do something to propose a solution in good faith. It happened in Russia by forcing a complete change in government and ending dynastic rule. It happened in Birmingham by forcing JFK to announce that he was going to push civil rights legislation rather than try to maintain the status quo of keeping black peoples calm and white business owners happy and safe. The successes of the civil rights movement only happened when the protests stopped being peaceful and started get violent. So there is historical proof of them achieving change.
Not so much, in history, pacific protest also lead to change. Most extreme were protest such as hunger strikes. Pacific protests can sometimes be successful, and violent ones sometimes also. But there is never a 100% viable solution.
Edit : check the Salt March and the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. Two pacific success.
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On May 31 2020 17:06 rekoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2020 17:00 StalkerTL wrote:On May 31 2020 16:55 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:47 StalkerTL wrote:On May 31 2020 16:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:27 rekoJ wrote:On May 31 2020 16:21 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 16:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 31 2020 15:45 Sr18 wrote:On May 31 2020 14:45 StalkerTL wrote:
We’ve already been through this.
You say that they’re breeding resentment from this. People already think blacks people are “thugs”, just look at this thread where people post statistics then run away with the claim that they’re just posting facts. The same people want “peaceful” protests because they can just ignore it.
Truth of the matter is that this guy is getting charged with only third degree murder because it’s probably the only thing that will stick. There’s no evidence that there’s going to be any police reformation, only this guy is going to be made an example of because of the outcry and the fact he got caught on camera slowly choking someone out.
Convincing white moderates through peaceful protest has done nothing at all but have them whine about how all lives matter and how divisive the black lives matter protests are. They don’t want to listen to peaceful protests in good faith so what’s the solution now?
That’s why there’s a riot, the fact that people can’t comprehend why riots occur is amazing to me. They do not occur out of thin air, they are always a reaction to something. Peaceful protesting and strategic voting hasn’t stopped the crimes of the US justice system towards minorities because the majority of non-minorities just do not care. This was the case during the civil rights movement and it is still the case now.
It must be highlighted that this police officer had a large chunk of the police department stand in solidarity outside of his house before he got arrested. Everyone should be able to understand what message this sends to the black community. And how is rioting going to help any of this? It is demonstrative that the status quo is unsustainable and demands immediate remedy. Problem is, agents of racism/those in power are far more concerned with stopping the riots (even if that means massive violent repression against peaceful protesters by the state) than the conditions that spawn them (which are exacerbated by remedial questions like "how is rioting going to help?"). That still doesn't address the fact that rioting is not a solution and will not solve the problem. It only creates more problems. Someone else took the time to spell it out more on the last page so I'll just refer to that. When you can't think of a good reason for an otherwise obviously bad action, maybe it becomes time to stop defending it. Explain us why they are rioting. You seem convinced by something but you are not tellling us what is it. My take is that the riots are an emotional response borne out of frustration. But that's not the point. People in this thread were defending the riots, as if they were reasonable because "there is no other option". And that is just wrong. Even if there were "no other option", which is obviously not true, this line of reasoning assumes that riots are an "option" to tackle the problem of abuse of power by the police. And that's simply not the case. Riots don't solve anything and are not an "option". So stop defending riots. Riots are the only solution left for a people who have tried peaceful protests and strategic voting. Which leads back to the question: how are riots a solution? They force those in power to actually do something to propose a solution in good faith. It happened in Russia by forcing a complete change in government and ending dynastic rule. It happened in Birmingham by forcing JFK to announce that he was going to push civil rights legislation rather than try to maintain the status quo of keeping black peoples calm and white business owners happy and safe. The successes of the civil rights movement only happened when the protests stopped being peaceful and started get violent. So there is historical proof of them achieving change. Not so much, in history, pacific protest also lead to change. Most extreme were protest such as hunger strikes. Pacific protests can sometimes be successful, and violent ones sometimes also. But there is never a 100% viable solution.
That only works when people are willing to accept those protests in good faith.
Americans as a whole have tried to silence the black lives movement and misrepresenting their protest by asking why all lives don’t matter.
That’s why there are riots.
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