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Belisarius
Australia6231 Posts
You're kind of arguing with a strawman. Flynn's not going to be going "teeeechnically it wasn't treason" because he should never be given that out in the first place. The people saying "technically it's not treason" are the ones going after him, because if they put him in a position where he can say it they have massively bungled the case. | ||
KwarK
United States42960 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21783 Posts
On May 30 2018 09:41 Danglars wrote: I certainly disagree. We already know enough to conclude that the initial investigations into people around Trump was justifiable.NY Post This treatment is about the due deference that should be allowed people that think covertly informing for the justice department without the knowledge of the person surveilled isn’t spying. The full piece is worth a read. And Trump’s not going to be careful with his words to distinguish this from the FISA matter or others—he’s definitely his own worst enemy. From the quoted NYT piece, he eavesdropped on Trump affiliates. But in no way may you call that spying on the Trump campaign. The DoJ has been leaking like crazy to friendly media outlets ahead of the IG report of the covert counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign (counterintelligence division using informants not to be confused with spying). The Washington Post leaks also described national security letters, secret subpoenas, against Trump campaign personnel. Just wiretaps on aides has turned into wiretaps, national security letters, and at least one informant in a counterintelligence investigation. This amount of covert surveillance is properly called spying and I don’t care which way you slice it. The IG report on the investigation of the Trump campaign must be fairly radical to have all these leaks try to spin it into something more tame. They spied on Trump and they better have more than what we know up to now to justify it. In 2015 the former head of US military intelligence has a private dinner with with Putin. That alone gets you investigated. Carter Page has been in the sights since 2013 when Russian communication mentioned he could possibly be turned. Papadopoulos came into sights when he blabbed off to an Australian ambassador that Russia had Hillary's emails. Foreign intelligence agencies caught communications between Trump associates and Russia back in 2015. I draw parallels to Berlusconi's allegations that the police was wire-tapping him when instead he was repeatedly calling known mafia figures who were under surveillance. If you repeatedly hang out with 'people of interest' your going to get yourself investigated. The start of the investigation into the people around Trump is firmly rooted in counter-intelligence and not political espionage. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44585 Posts
Kim Kardashian to visit White House to discuss prison reform https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/politics/kim-kardashian-jared-kushner-white-house/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2018-05-30T13:32:33&utm_source=fbCNNWashington (CNN) - Kim Kardashian West will meet with officials, including senior adviser Jared Kushner, at the White House on Wednesday to discuss prison reform, a person familiar with the plans says. It's not clear if Kardashian West will meet with President Donald Trump. The entrepreneur and reality television star has advocated for a pardon for a low-level drug offender named Alice Marie Johnson, who has served more than 20 years in prison. Prison reform has been a key issue for Kushner. Earlier this month, the White House-backed First Step Act, which would expand programs for prisoners and allow for more home confinement, was approved by the House Judiciary Committee. Kardashian West has said she supported Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election, but her husband, Kanye West, has signaled his support for Trump. In 2016, West met with the President-elect at Trump Tower in New York. And last month, after releasing a photograph wearing a "Make America Great Again" cap, West released a song defending his praise of the President. Kardashian West's White House visit was earlier reported by Vanity Fair. Turns out that when Trump said he'd make a deal with Kim, he wasn't talking about Jong-un. Prison reform is definitely needed in this country; it's a pity that Kim and Kushner are discussing it instead of experts. | ||
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brian
United States9625 Posts
hell, kimye has all the same qualifications. either of them could be president. they even have the more successful show, so some could argue they’re better qualified. I heard Dash just became a failed business enterprise too, the similarities are really adding up. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On May 31 2018 02:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: I don't think she's even been in jail, how can she discuss something she has no idea about? Truly extraordinary. Small point do you mean in A jail? Or just in jail? I don't think your point is that you have to have been a prisoner at one time to talk about reform.... but I want to make sure | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21783 Posts
On May 31 2018 02:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: In a jail, even then, I don't know her stance or what she's trying to discuss, so I'd have to wait and see, but there is definitely better people out there that can discuss prison reform. I don't know, I just personally can see her saying "put poor people in jail because they smell funny" type of reform from the personality she's broadcasted over all these years. Actually she is apparently advocating for the pardoning of someone convicted for life on non-violent drug charges, as mentioned in the article. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15713 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
I'm all for public personalities using the immense wealth and influence they are given/earn to try and do some lasting good. Good on Kim if she's trying to make some positive change. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23294 Posts
In three chilling cellphone video clips, at least one of which appears to have been recorded on the day of the Feb. 14 shooting, Dickbag, 19, calmly outlines his plans. “When you see me on the news you’ll know who I am,” he says, chuckling. “You’re all going to die. Pew pew pew pew pew. Ah yeah. Can’t wait.” “My name is Dickbag, and I’m going to be the next school shooter of 2018,” he said. “My goal is at least 20 people.” “Today is the day. The day that it all begins. The day of my massacre shall begin,” Dickbag says. “All the kids in school will run in fear and hide. From the wrath of my power they will know who I am.” “I’ve had enough being told what to do and when to do. ... Telling me I’m an idiot and a dumbass,” he says. “In real life, you’re all the dumbass. You’re all stupid and brainwashed.” www.sun-sentinel.com What he's expressing there isn't unique, if we don't address why there's a growing number of people who think killing random people at school is an appropriate response to being 'bullied' for being an idiot and a bigot/racist, we'll keep seeing these incidents rise. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23294 Posts
On May 31 2018 08:58 ShoCkeyy wrote: The good ole bullying, the schools don't help either. I recall when I tried to stop a fight that was started through bullying, and I got in trouble as well. So there needs to be a better system started at the school. I also grew up in a FL school, and I can attest that bullying here is done at all levels. From teachers, parents, to students. It's not like he didn't like bullying though. He just didn't like people pointing out he was an idiot racist, the few people who knew of him anyway. I mean obviously we need better conflict resolution/human decency taught at every level, but this isn't just an unfortunate outcast who got bullied. He was a shitty person who people didn't like and he felt entitled to them liking him despite being a shitty person. Given I believe his shittyness is largely a result of our society rather than specific personal defects. When they didn't, he decided he should shoot random people that represented stand-ins for them. It's a frequent enough occurrence that it speaks to something more specific than "bullying". It's also fair to presume that this often manifests in less dramatic/tragic ways than mass shootings. Outcast cliques (namely white supremacist groups) are scooping these people up wherever they can and they are being emboldened everywhere, all the way up to the President. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 31 2018 07:26 iamthedave wrote: Kim might not know much about prison... but what the fuck did Dennis Rodman know about North Korea? I'm all for public personalities using the immense wealth and influence they are given/earn to try and do some lasting good. Good on Kim if she's trying to make some positive change. what did dennis rodman actually try to do in North Korea? | ||
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PeTraSoHot
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On May 22 2018 03:23 PeTraSoHot wrote: Unrelated note: My ban period has expired but I'm still unable to send PMs. Can some mod look into that for me plz? Hi, my ban expired over a week ago and I'm still unable to send PMs. Can some mod plz look into this for me? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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KwarK
United States42960 Posts
On May 31 2018 12:47 PeTraSoHot wrote: Hi, my ban expired over a week ago and I'm still unable to send PMs. Can some mod plz look into this for me? It was taken away from you. Edit: This is the US Politics topic and you're the guy who was asking about this a week ago in here who I told to ask in website feedback. Have a 2 day. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2018 10:50 KwarK wrote: Your PM function is disabled. Presumably a mod did so on purpose. Take it to website feedback but I'm guessing you know what you did. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4731 Posts
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