EPTOn February 06 2020 14:12 Gahlo wrote:
If you can't look at those posts and can't piece it together then I can't help you.
If you can't look at those posts and can't piece it together then I can't help you.
Cool, good chat
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ChristianS
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Cool, good chat | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24264 Posts
On February 06 2020 14:13 Nebuchad wrote: Still not updated on NY Times (edit: now it is) but I'm gonna post this anyway ^-^ Still no correction on Des Moines 14 This was basically all due to the 3rd satellite caucus and he still has the 1st satellite caucus after that, he's got it. If it is the caucus I think it is, it will be a rather fitting cap to what has been 3 days of CIA style electoral propaganda. EDIT: I've learned not to underestimate Democrats willingness to self-immolate though, so anything can happen. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
You’re that “trivial legalities > common sense” kinda guy aren’t you? | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On February 06 2020 15:40 TentativePanda wrote: You’re that “trivial legalities > common sense” kinda guy aren’t you? Uh... not sure what you’re referring to? | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On February 06 2020 14:30 GreenHorizons wrote: If it is the caucus I think it is, it will be a rather fitting cap to what has been 3 days of CIA style electoral propaganda. EDIT: I've learned not to underestimate Democrats willingness to self-immolate though, so anything can happen. Lol yeah with each update he’s gaining a greater and greater share of the updated results. To be fair he will end with a lead that’s effectively a tie; also to be fair buttigieg claimed victory with 0% reporting haha (among all the other nefarious deeds done between the dnc and his campaign) | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On February 06 2020 15:41 ChristianS wrote: Uh... not sure what you’re referring to? I’m referring to your stubbornness to not accept a perfectly fine paraphrasing of a legal situation | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On February 06 2020 15:43 TentativePanda wrote: I’m referring to your stubbornness to not accept a perfectly fine paraphrasing of a legal situation Sorry, did we converse about this some time a while ago, or are you just referring to my interaction with Gahlo? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24264 Posts
On February 06 2020 15:48 ChristianS wrote: Sorry, did we converse about this some time a while ago, or are you just referring to my interaction with Gahlo? Are you being rhetorically obtuse or are you actually not following? | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
Edit: Ah, I misread. I thought TentativePanda said You’re that “legal trivialities > common sense” guy, aren’t you Thought he was referring to some previous interaction I had forgotten. In that case... uh... no, I don’t think that’s an accurate characterization of my position | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24264 Posts
On February 06 2020 15:55 ChristianS wrote: Not being intentionally obtuse, but feel kinda like I’m being gaslighted? I would say that is what it feels like when we confront our most deeply held hegemonic beliefs/worldviews. Lean into it imo. Edit: Ah, I misread. I thought TentativePanda said Thought he was referring to some previous interaction I had forgotten. In that case... uh... no, I don’t think that’s an accurate characterization of my position What Panda, Gahlo, Gors, and myself now are getting at is that this is something about your political firmware, not about the instance. The tragedy is, it intrinsically prevents you from recognizing the argument they are making. You're prepared (EDIT: looks like you did it before I got this edit in) to argue against it in a manner perfectly demonstrating their point and you literally can't see it and won't no matter how long or many ways they try. It is because you are making base assumptions about how the world functions that they don't agree with and you accept as immutable. No one can make you, but that only changes when you start to challenge the hegemonic assumptions at the root of your worldview for better or worse. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
The DNC’s argument in that case, as I recall, was that while they did administer a fair election, there is no law requiring them to do so. That obligation is political and moral, not legal. Therefore the case need not proceed to discovery, etc. I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know if that argument was right, but it’s certainly a far sight from “we only like election tampering when we do it” or w/e you guys think they were saying. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On February 06 2020 16:01 GreenHorizons wrote: I would say that is what it feels like when we confront our most deeply held hegemonic beliefs/worldviews. Lean into it imo. What Panda, Gahlo, Gors, and myself now are getting at is that this is something about your political firmware, not about the instance. The tragedy is, it intrinsically prevents you from recognizing the argument they are making. You're prepared (EDIT: looks like you did it before I got this edit in) to argue against it in a manner perfectly demonstrating their point and you literally can't see it and won't no matter how long or many ways they try. It is because you are making base assumptions about how the world functions that they don't agree with and you accept as immutable. No one can make you, but that only changes when you start to challenge the hegemonic assumptions at the root of your worldview for better or worse. Uh... okay. Well I’m gonna go to bed now. Good luck with all that | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
It's likely that the process has been this disastrous the whole time, and it's only coming out now because of the recent transparency rules. That's fine. The thing that's unforgivable, though, is that as far as I can see, nearly every error has systematically disadvantaged Sanders and boosted the candidate closer to the center. If it were just random deviation due to a ridiculous and archaic process managed by monkeys, one would expect it to go both ways. It almost never has.The monkeys are not just incompetent, they are deeply biased, and that is appalling for a party that is trying to position itself as the defender of democracy in the Trump era. The Republicans have spent the last four years nakedly doing the it's-fine-when-it's-my-guy dance while the dems sat on a high horse. The dems have now been caught doing the exact same thing at the very first opportunity. Everyone involved needs to be called out, and thrown out. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1964 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
They are not. The errors seem to consistently disadvantage Sanders and assist the centrists. That is a problem. Also, daily reminder that a random, unheard-of company with close ties to one of the actual candidates was chosen to manage the results. This is banana-republic stuff. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12502 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On February 06 2020 17:30 Belisarius wrote: This is banana-republic stuff. That's so ironic. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
We consistently elect morons, but damn it those morons are fairly elected to represent our population of morons. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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