EPTPeople still think the order of precinct data reporting is being manipulated to hurt Bernie, or...?
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
People still think the order of precinct data reporting is being manipulated to hurt Bernie, or...? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On February 06 2020 07:21 ChristianS wrote: Personally I’d think the term “popular vote” more accurately refers to first alignment, which is still pretty solidly for Sanders. People still think the order of precinct data reporting is being manipulated to hurt Bernie, or...? they fixed the issue but obviously that doesn't stop people going crazy Edit: NYT Needles ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/sPqqusr.png) | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24061 Posts
On February 06 2020 07:00 StasisField wrote: What an absolute shit show. After delaying results for over 24 hours for "quality control", they post incorrect results. What an absolute embarrassment to democracy this has been. It is not like they will be held accountable. Imagine believing they've been meticulously ensuring the results they post are accurate (taking longer than anyone can reasonably explain) then continuing to believe that when they screw up just the posting of information they meticulously triple checked. It begs a belief in a level of incompetence that demands an explanation for why such incompetent people should be trusted with any power. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22440 Posts
On February 06 2020 07:21 ChristianS wrote: No, they are strait up changing the results now...Personally I’d think the term “popular vote” more accurately refers to first alignment, which is still pretty solidly for Sanders. People still think the order of precinct data reporting is being manipulated to hurt Bernie, or...? I mean I was skeptical of GH's accusations but these wrong results? Its not even 1 wrong number entered, its multiple and if this one was wrong and changed because the precinct itself posted the 'real' results it calls into question every single result from every single precinct. In a paper ballot election this would qualify for a full recount. But hey, its a caucus so that's impossible... Nullify the results, reschedule a new date for a new primary. Cause this shit is fucked. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
big chance nobody wins outright now before the convention. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On February 06 2020 07:54 Gorsameth wrote: No, they are strait up changing the results now... I mean I was skeptical of GH's accusations but these wrong results? Its not even 1 wrong number entered, its multiple and if this one was wrong and changed because the precinct itself posted the 'real' results it calls into question every single result from every single precinct. In a paper ballot election this would qualify for a full recount. But hey, its a caucus so that's impossible... Nullify the results, reschedule a new date for a new primary. Cause this shit is fucked. Everything I’ve read suggests there are paper “preference cards” to go back to for every precinct, should someone care to audit it. Any reason you’re calling for a redo rather than an audit? Edit: btw when you say “now” are you implying that before they were manipulating the reporting order but they stopped? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11907 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22440 Posts
On February 06 2020 08:06 ChristianS wrote: If there are official paper numbers from the precincts to audit the results then yes, I think they should be audited and in a transparent way like with representatives of the candidates present.Everything I’ve read suggests there are paper “preference cards” to go back to for every precinct, should someone care to audit it. Any reason you’re calling for a redo rather than an audit? Edit: btw when you say “now” are you implying that before they were manipulating the reporting order but they stopped? I assumed such an official paper trail might not exist with all the problems they are having. Because surely once the app fails you go strait for the paper and don't take 48 hours to have results... | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12474 Posts
On February 06 2020 08:06 ChristianS wrote: Everything I’ve read suggests there are paper “preference cards” to go back to for every precinct, should someone care to audit it. Any reason you’re calling for a redo rather than an audit? Edit: btw when you say “now” are you implying that before they were manipulating the reporting order but they stopped? The public should see those cards. Even the one for Black Hawk that was corrected is still not exactly matching the data, the results are close enough that I doubt it matters but it makes me want to see the other cards. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24061 Posts
On February 06 2020 08:12 Simberto wrote: Its amazing how hard you can fuck up an election that you have been doing for decades. What if I told you they've been fucking it up like this for decades and the transparency rules that were added after 2016's debacle is the only reason we can see it? | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On February 06 2020 08:13 Nebuchad wrote: The public should see those cards. Even the one for Black Hawk that was corrected is still not exactly matching the data, the results are close enough that I doubt it matters but it makes me want to see the other cards. I’m all in favor! Or if there are personal identifying info-type considerations with just making them public, at least get qualified independent auditors involved. Hell, have the UN audit this for all I care. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 06 2020 08:24 ChristianS wrote: I’m all in favor! Or if there are personal identifying info-type considerations with just making them public, at least get qualified independent auditors involved. Hell, have the UN audit this for all I care. This would be helpful if you were Tom Perez. Assuming you're not, but I really hope you are. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24061 Posts
On February 06 2020 08:12 Gorsameth wrote: If there are official paper numbers from the precincts to audit the results then yes, I think they should be audited and in a transparent way like with representatives of the candidates present. I assumed such an official paper trail might not exist with all the problems they are having. Because surely once the app fails you go strait for the paper and don't take 48 hours to have results... We're supposed to believe that they didn't immediately go to an audit of the paper with representatives from the campaigns there to observe as anyone running an election should know is just incompetence, not malice. That they are taking 3+ days to do it, again incompetence, not malice. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On February 06 2020 08:34 Mohdoo wrote: This would be helpful if you were Tom Perez. Assuming you're not, but I really hope you are. Oh no, I’ve been found out! *aides scrambling to create fake social media profiles named “ChristianS”* | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
for the ultimate anime twist | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On February 06 2020 10:56 Mohdoo wrote: Sanders Romney 2020 for the ultimate anime twist The heel turn. "I was just getting started with Romneycare." | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 06 2020 11:12 Gahlo wrote: The heel turn. "I was just getting started with Romneycare." Their hybrid would be something like everyone gets Medicare, but you have to pay $40 per month. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27072 Posts
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Introvert
United States4999 Posts
On February 06 2020 10:56 Mohdoo wrote: Sanders Romney 2020 for the ultimate anime twist romney is an experienced flip-flopper and weather-vane of a politician. he'd at least consider it. | ||
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