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On February 06 2020 00:33 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 00:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 06 2020 00:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:08 Mohdoo wrote:
I just remembered pelosi tore up that pile of shit speech. Now I'm grinning again. Judging by internet hysteria, this is perhaps the thing that has upset trumpers more than anything else. It's funny to think how this was never obvious before. Conservative culture is REALLY into undue respect as a function of position. It's a part of why they protect billionaires. Blatantly shitting on Trump and showing he is viewed as trash on TV legitimately shook them. Man I love it. Turning their weakness against them. She invited him to give the speech and signed off on some of the legislation he was touting on trade and military spending. It is a spectacle like professional wrestling imo. Considering professional wrestling performances can be used to describe modern conservative political strategy, a large part of what inspired Trump's movement, I fully support us doing the same. Shit on Trump, show people he isn't even worthy of basic respect. I'm all for it. The bit is that they are fighting while actually collaborating on the show so we maintain our willing suspension of disbelief when they work together to accomplish a "devastating" move against the other. The more they can get us to buy into the fight, the more distracted we are from the absurdity of interpreting their collaboration as conflict. Well if Bernie gets the nom, this kinda philosophy being seeded will likely serve us well. I'd love to see a campaign based around "I hate all those guys and wish they weren't here". Democrats hating Republicans as much as they hate us would be a good thing. We've always struggled to hate. I want that to end.
"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
Some sage general advice from auld Yoda there but I’m not sure he was overly familiar with the practical workings of the US political system.
I do feel it’s a bit of a trap depending how it’s directed, too much energy expended into hating and opposing the GOP can take away from energy being expanded into other solutions.
I think Bernie appeals to people because he doesn’t sugar coat things as to where the problems lie, but he largely bypasses things by going straight to advocating what he actually wants to do. Which makes him more palatable (to me anyway) than others who present themselves merely as being better than Trump is.
If being better than Trump is the bar I mean I could be bloody present, it’s not much to enthuse people.
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On February 06 2020 00:33 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 00:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 06 2020 00:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:08 Mohdoo wrote:
I just remembered pelosi tore up that pile of shit speech. Now I'm grinning again. Judging by internet hysteria, this is perhaps the thing that has upset trumpers more than anything else. It's funny to think how this was never obvious before. Conservative culture is REALLY into undue respect as a function of position. It's a part of why they protect billionaires. Blatantly shitting on Trump and showing he is viewed as trash on TV legitimately shook them. Man I love it. Turning their weakness against them. She invited him to give the speech and signed off on some of the legislation he was touting on trade and military spending. It is a spectacle like professional wrestling imo. Considering professional wrestling performances can be used to describe modern conservative political strategy, a large part of what inspired Trump's movement, I fully support us doing the same. Shit on Trump, show people he isn't even worthy of basic respect. I'm all for it. The bit is that they are fighting while actually collaborating on the show so we maintain our willing suspension of disbelief when they work together to accomplish a "devastating" move against the other. The more they can get us to buy into the fight, the more distracted we are from the absurdity of interpreting their collaboration as conflict. Well if Bernie gets the nom, this kinda philosophy being seeded will likely serve us well. I'd love to see a campaign based around "I hate all those guys and wish they weren't here". Democrats hating Republicans as much as they hate us would be a good thing. We've always struggled to hate. I want that to end.
I appreciate the sentiment but I think your better angels would prevail. It isn't about hate but it is important that people that want things to change for the better are prepared to fight, and not the choreographed stuff like Trump and Pelosi.
It isn't a coincidence their exchange is functionally meaningless yet profoundly popular among their supporters/unpopular among their critics.
Nothing wrong with enjoying professional wrestling (like any other entertainment media) the problem is when you think the show is really real, not allegorical and when it distracts you from noticing the bomb she dropped on Trump was 1 of 1000 planned to be dropped on innocent civilians around the world with both of their approval.
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On February 06 2020 00:33 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 00:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 06 2020 00:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:08 Mohdoo wrote:
I just remembered pelosi tore up that pile of shit speech. Now I'm grinning again. Judging by internet hysteria, this is perhaps the thing that has upset trumpers more than anything else. It's funny to think how this was never obvious before. Conservative culture is REALLY into undue respect as a function of position. It's a part of why they protect billionaires. Blatantly shitting on Trump and showing he is viewed as trash on TV legitimately shook them. Man I love it. Turning their weakness against them. She invited him to give the speech and signed off on some of the legislation he was touting on trade and military spending. It is a spectacle like professional wrestling imo. Considering professional wrestling performances can be used to describe modern conservative political strategy, a large part of what inspired Trump's movement, I fully support us doing the same. Shit on Trump, show people he isn't even worthy of basic respect. I'm all for it. The bit is that they are fighting while actually collaborating on the show so we maintain our willing suspension of disbelief when they work together to accomplish a "devastating" move against the other. The more they can get us to buy into the fight, the more distracted we are from the absurdity of interpreting their collaboration as conflict. Well if Bernie gets the nom, this kinda philosophy being seeded will likely serve us well. I'd love to see a campaign based around "I hate all those guys and wish they weren't here". Democrats hating Republicans as much as they hate us would be a good thing. We've always struggled to hate. I want that to end.Trump will avoid removal because Republican politicians have convinced their voters Democrats aren't even human, just some human'ish thing. The lengths they go to do things like Garland and whatnot are all because their voters couldn't bring themselves to even slightly respect us.
Part of me wishes more people thought of voting to cancel out another persons vote. I get a bit of joy when I go into the voting both imagining im canceling out one of those racist assholes votes.
Im sure theres negative consequences to this type of thinking, but I do feel like it would help turnout in areas and demographics that dont typically vote.
Do your country a service and cancel one of their votes out.
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On February 06 2020 02:46 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 00:33 Mohdoo wrote:On February 06 2020 00:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 06 2020 00:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:08 Mohdoo wrote:
I just remembered pelosi tore up that pile of shit speech. Now I'm grinning again. Judging by internet hysteria, this is perhaps the thing that has upset trumpers more than anything else. It's funny to think how this was never obvious before. Conservative culture is REALLY into undue respect as a function of position. It's a part of why they protect billionaires. Blatantly shitting on Trump and showing he is viewed as trash on TV legitimately shook them. Man I love it. Turning their weakness against them. She invited him to give the speech and signed off on some of the legislation he was touting on trade and military spending. It is a spectacle like professional wrestling imo. Considering professional wrestling performances can be used to describe modern conservative political strategy, a large part of what inspired Trump's movement, I fully support us doing the same. Shit on Trump, show people he isn't even worthy of basic respect. I'm all for it. The bit is that they are fighting while actually collaborating on the show so we maintain our willing suspension of disbelief when they work together to accomplish a "devastating" move against the other. The more they can get us to buy into the fight, the more distracted we are from the absurdity of interpreting their collaboration as conflict. Well if Bernie gets the nom, this kinda philosophy being seeded will likely serve us well. I'd love to see a campaign based around "I hate all those guys and wish they weren't here". Democrats hating Republicans as much as they hate us would be a good thing. We've always struggled to hate. I want that to end.Trump will avoid removal because Republican politicians have convinced their voters Democrats aren't even human, just some human'ish thing. The lengths they go to do things like Garland and whatnot are all because their voters couldn't bring themselves to even slightly respect us. Part of me wishes more people thought of voting to cancel out another persons vote. I get a bit of joy when I go into the voting both imagining im canceling out one of those racist assholes votes. Im sure theres negative consequences to this type of thinking, but I do feel like it would help turnout in areas and demographics that dont typically vote. Do your country a service and cancel one of their votes out.
I think that part of you might be referred to as "username."
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On February 06 2020 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 00:33 Mohdoo wrote:On February 06 2020 00:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:18 Mohdoo wrote:On February 06 2020 00:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 06 2020 00:08 Mohdoo wrote:
I just remembered pelosi tore up that pile of shit speech. Now I'm grinning again. Judging by internet hysteria, this is perhaps the thing that has upset trumpers more than anything else. It's funny to think how this was never obvious before. Conservative culture is REALLY into undue respect as a function of position. It's a part of why they protect billionaires. Blatantly shitting on Trump and showing he is viewed as trash on TV legitimately shook them. Man I love it. Turning their weakness against them. She invited him to give the speech and signed off on some of the legislation he was touting on trade and military spending. It is a spectacle like professional wrestling imo. Considering professional wrestling performances can be used to describe modern conservative political strategy, a large part of what inspired Trump's movement, I fully support us doing the same. Shit on Trump, show people he isn't even worthy of basic respect. I'm all for it. The bit is that they are fighting while actually collaborating on the show so we maintain our willing suspension of disbelief when they work together to accomplish a "devastating" move against the other. The more they can get us to buy into the fight, the more distracted we are from the absurdity of interpreting their collaboration as conflict. Well if Bernie gets the nom, this kinda philosophy being seeded will likely serve us well. I'd love to see a campaign based around "I hate all those guys and wish they weren't here". Democrats hating Republicans as much as they hate us would be a good thing. We've always struggled to hate. I want that to end. I appreciate the sentiment but I think your better angels would prevail. It isn't about hate but it is important that people that want things to change for the better are prepared to fight, and not the choreographed stuff like Trump and Pelosi. It isn't a coincidence their exchange is functionally meaningless yet profoundly popular among their supporters/unpopular among their critics. Nothing wrong with enjoying professional wrestling (like any other entertainment media) the problem is when you think the show is really real, not allegorical and when it distracts you from noticing the bomb she dropped on Trump was 1 of 1000 planned to be dropped on innocent civilians around the world with both of their approval.
The show is real though. It’s not literally choreographed. I think there is real animosity between Pelosi and Trump. I think it’s much less “bread and circuses” (see football) and much more about Pelosi et al. just caring about the wrong things.
I think the “human” has by now become something like an empty or pure signifier. Like “democracy.” Every time it is used these days I have to wonder what it means.
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A bit more data from Iowa with 75% now declared
Pete gaining round could still win both counts.
Edit:
NYT saying Pete has 40% chance to win the popular vote with Sanders 60% chance
Pete has 86% chance to win the SDE % with Sanders 14%
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Romney is now wanting to Convict Trump for power abuse.
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What is SDE, what is various votes, what in the world is any of this shit. How many delegates will they get?
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On February 06 2020 05:15 Mohdoo wrote:
What is SDE, what is various votes, what in the world is any of this shit. How many delegates will they get?
SDE is how many delegates they get
First vote and second votes are the way the caucus works . Just look it up it’s fairly simple , but honestly not that important in understanding the results.
Essentially Bernie got more supporters first vote by far then Pete gained on Bernie in the second votes as people left their non viable candidates. Pete getting more delegates because Pete is winning in the rural areas (think electoral college)
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On February 06 2020 05:16 BlueBird. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 05:15 Mohdoo wrote:
What is SDE, what is various votes, what in the world is any of this shit. How many delegates will they get? SDE is how many delegates they get
Buttigieg 26.9 (+0.1)
Sanders 25.2 (-)
So that would mean that is how many delegates they get? Assuming these all end up being whole numbers lol ;;;;;
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On February 06 2020 05:18 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2020 05:16 BlueBird. wrote:On February 06 2020 05:15 Mohdoo wrote:
What is SDE, what is various votes, what in the world is any of this shit. How many delegates will they get? SDE is how many delegates they get Buttigieg 26.9 (+0.1) Sanders 25.2 (-) So that would mean that is how many delegates they get? Assuming these all end up being whole numbers lol ;;;;;
Percentage of total Iowa delegates I think , the final number will be whole eventually 
Let’s just be happy we vote by mail haha
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I think Biden has a real chance at ending below klob, that would be a huge body blow to his chances.
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Is there some kinda "and the winner gets +20" bullshit? Or they could really have a difference of like 1 delegate at the end of this?
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There's major rounding that goes from SDE -> delegates. I have no idea how it actually works, based on 2016 it basically doesn't math out in any reasonable seeming way, but I'd have to imagine it is close to sde % * number of delegates with rounding/tie breaking rules.
So at the quoted %s and 41 delegates you end up with
Buttigieg 26.9 ->11.029
Sanders 25.2 -> 10.333
Warren 18.2 -> 7.462
Biden 15.6 -> 6.392
Klobuchar 12.5 -> 5.125
But obviously that needs to be reconciled into actual whole numbers. It is 39 total if you round everyone down, so 2 people round upwards hypothetically. I'm not sure how that process works, but if it's by highest decimal places then right now that would be Biden and Warren, but even very small shifts could change the actual count and for example Sanders could round up to 11.
I think at the previous 60% reporting the estimate was 10 Pete, 10 Sanders even. Maybe that still holds? The whole conversion from SDE to actual delegates is opaque as hell.
Basically until the whole count is complete it's basically a tie between Pete and Sanders and the difference in SDE is meaningless.
Even if Sanders ends up at -1 delegate, the additional confirmation of support by better first/second round numbers is probably worth more than the delegate. Not to be too media harping/conspiracy, but if any other candidate was in Sander's position and Sander's won the SDE the metric all the news stations reporting probably would be the alignments.
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On February 06 2020 05:30 Mohdoo wrote:
Is there some kinda "and the winner gets +20" bullshit? Or they could really have a difference of like 1 delegate at the end of this?
GOP primary rules are far less uniform, but many states do this on the Repiblican side. Some will do x number of delegates per congressional district, plus y percent based on overall state vote, sometimes with winner take all if they cross 50%.
It's done to advantage the establishment candidate and clear the field quickly so the process doesnt drag on, last time it meant Trump won a higher percentage of delegates than his popular vote share and made him harder to defeat. A small bit of karma the GOP deserved.
Iowa isnt about the delegate count really, though.
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85% of the vote now counted in Iowa and Pete has overtaken Sanders in the popular vote as well as delegates.
Edit: appears they posted some incorrect results (WTF?) so reposting them soon.
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On February 06 2020 06:25 Zaros wrote:
Edit: appears they posted some incorrect results (WTF?) so reposting them soon.
Related to this probably
They're going to need to release the raw numbers. No way they are to be trusted with this.
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On February 06 2020 06:25 Zaros wrote:
85% of the vote now counted in Iowa and Pete has overtaken Sanders in the popular vote as well as delegates.
Edit: appears they posted some incorrect results (WTF?) so reposting them soon.
What an absolute shit show. After delaying results for over 24 hours for "quality control", they post incorrect results. What an absolute embarrassment to democracy this has been.
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looks like these are the current results with 14% to go
So Pete closed in a bit on the popular vote and sanders closed a bit on the state delegate equivalents.
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NYT predicting 94% chance Pete wins the SDE, and predicting 51% chance Pete wins the popular vote 49% chance Sanders wins the popular vote
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