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Schumer is not supporting Trump's USMCA, citing environmental concerns
Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) announced Thursday he would not support the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), citing the proposed deal's failure to address climate change.
“Despite the fact that it includes very good labor provisions, I am voting against USMCA because it does not address climate change, the greatest threat facing the planet,” Schumer said in a statement.
“Instead of advancing global climate security by outlining binding and enforceable climate commitments from all three countries, the Trump administration provides significant incentives for manufacturers to move their business and their jobs from the U.S. to Mexico, where clean air and clean water regulations are much weaker,"
"Meanwhile, the Trump administration also included handouts for the oil and gas industry, such as lifting tariffs on tar sands, and refused to include any mention of the climate crisis in the agreement,”
thehill.com
Kinda throwing Warren under the bus with this one after she argued for voting in favor of Trump's USMCA deal (as she ended up doing) at the debate.
Her sharp turn to the center and stabbing Bernie in the back bodes well for her VP chances under Biden though
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On January 17 2020 02:52 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2020 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 01:41 IgnE wrote:On January 17 2020 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 00:51 IgnE wrote:
i don’t think garbage is more expensive than recycling. many municipal recycling programs in the US have been abandoned because china stopped taking our recycling-laden ships and the costs shot up. so what exactly do you mean when you say that recycling is cheaper? One major reason they stopped taking it was because they were full of garbage that we lied and told them was recycling. do you mean some kind of blatant inclusion of pure garbage or do you mean it had to be sorted? many articles of trash are a mixture of materials, either unrecyclable or of different recyclability, which when combined with the not insignificant difficulty for the average consumer of deciding what is recyclable and how, makes recycling piles a total mess. my understanding was that we sent our trash to china because of cheap sorting labor for unmixing it all and because china has recycling facilities for all the various plastics, papers, metals, and glasses All of it. From straight up garbage bins labeled as recycling to the more mundane lazily sorted/cleaned stuff that was recycled in good faith. We (in cooperation with corporations/lowly smugglers in China) smuggled a lot in too. China’s customs authority intercepted nearly 1 million tonnes of illegally imported trash in the first half of this year, it said on Wednesday, part of a crackdown on smuggled waste materials.
www.reuters.comedit: “recycling” is a huge clusterfuck and militant wishcyclers who admonish people for “not recycling” majorly annoy me Yeah, composting is a reasonable expectation for people with yards but most recycling programs in the US have always been bullshit and everyone (except the avg Joes filling their bins) knew it. That is mostly not true and a very negative look at it. There has been parts of them that are complete bullshit but they have done a lot of good. You are talking about throwing out the baby with the bath water. I get that you want this to be true because it fits your narrative but it simply is not. To your composting, yes backyard composting is great for people with yards. But municipal composting programs work for everyone including businesses and the great part is they can accept many more materials (like meat) because the heat generated is enough to kill the parasites and so on. Commercial organics waste can also use this and it is much a much bigger market. There is also a lot of cool programs that are coming out to try to reduce food waste. For example superstore in Canada has released an App called "flash good" where you can purchase food that is right next to it's best before date for pennies on the dollar. This creates a win/win/win as the grocer spends less on waste disposal and the people using the program will generally do there other shopping there. People get a cost savings and if they are cooking it right away or freezing it there is no issues. Also the environment wins. I also wish more people understood that things past there best before date are not expired and bad, it just means they are no longer guaranteed to be fresh. You can tell if they are bad by both smell and the way it looks. If you have a jug of milk and it is past the date but still smells fine, it is still fine, drink it don't throw it out. Please.
Having worked in one for 12 years and been more often than not the person reducing and throwing stock away things have greatly improved from a truly soul destroying waste of food to something that’s still wasteful but an improvement.
Used to reduce stock, if it didn’t sell it was chucked. Current scenario is reducing, donating bread and vegetables to charity/schools and playgroups, then the staff have their pick of what hasn’t sold for free after 9pm. Then eventually it’s catalogued and chucked, what’s left.
We’re largely only wasting actually damaged stuff, or stuff left out of freezers and fridges consistently, so that’s something.
Those scenarios are mostly the fault of lazy customers and it’s bloody irritating, but oh well.
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On January 17 2020 03:26 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2020 02:52 JimmiC wrote:On January 17 2020 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 01:41 IgnE wrote:On January 17 2020 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 00:51 IgnE wrote:
i don’t think garbage is more expensive than recycling. many municipal recycling programs in the US have been abandoned because china stopped taking our recycling-laden ships and the costs shot up. so what exactly do you mean when you say that recycling is cheaper? One major reason they stopped taking it was because they were full of garbage that we lied and told them was recycling. do you mean some kind of blatant inclusion of pure garbage or do you mean it had to be sorted? many articles of trash are a mixture of materials, either unrecyclable or of different recyclability, which when combined with the not insignificant difficulty for the average consumer of deciding what is recyclable and how, makes recycling piles a total mess. my understanding was that we sent our trash to china because of cheap sorting labor for unmixing it all and because china has recycling facilities for all the various plastics, papers, metals, and glasses All of it. From straight up garbage bins labeled as recycling to the more mundane lazily sorted/cleaned stuff that was recycled in good faith. We (in cooperation with corporations/lowly smugglers in China) smuggled a lot in too. China’s customs authority intercepted nearly 1 million tonnes of illegally imported trash in the first half of this year, it said on Wednesday, part of a crackdown on smuggled waste materials.
www.reuters.comedit: “recycling” is a huge clusterfuck and militant wishcyclers who admonish people for “not recycling” majorly annoy me Yeah, composting is a reasonable expectation for people with yards but most recycling programs in the US have always been bullshit and everyone (except the avg Joes filling their bins) knew it. That is mostly not true and a very negative look at it. There has been parts of them that are complete bullshit but they have done a lot of good. You are talking about throwing out the baby with the bath water. I get that you want this to be true because it fits your narrative but it simply is not. To your composting, yes backyard composting is great for people with yards. But municipal composting programs work for everyone including businesses and the great part is they can accept many more materials (like meat) because the heat generated is enough to kill the parasites and so on. Commercial organics waste can also use this and it is much a much bigger market. There is also a lot of cool programs that are coming out to try to reduce food waste. For example superstore in Canada has released an App called "flash good" where you can purchase food that is right next to it's best before date for pennies on the dollar. This creates a win/win/win as the grocer spends less on waste disposal and the people using the program will generally do there other shopping there. People get a cost savings and if they are cooking it right away or freezing it there is no issues. Also the environment wins. I also wish more people understood that things past there best before date are not expired and bad, it just means they are no longer guaranteed to be fresh. You can tell if they are bad by both smell and the way it looks. If you have a jug of milk and it is past the date but still smells fine, it is still fine, drink it don't throw it out. Please. Having worked in one for 12 years and been more often than not the person reducing and throwing stock away things have greatly improved from a truly soul destroying waste of food to something that’s still wasteful but an improvement. Used to reduce stock, if it didn’t sell it was chucked. Current scenario is reducing, donating bread and vegetables to charity/schools and playgroups, then the staff have their pick of what hasn’t sold for free after 9pm. Then eventually it’s catalogued and chucked, what’s left. We’re largely only wasting actually damaged stuff, or stuff left out of freezers and fridges consistently, so that’s something. Those scenarios are mostly the fault of lazy customers and it’s bloody irritating, but oh well.
We're still throwing out millions of tons of (perfectly edible) "ugly" food every year. We burn designer cloths that don't sell to artificially keep their price high and poor people from wearing them, in the US it is a very different story.
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On January 17 2020 03:46 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2020 03:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 03:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 17 2020 02:52 JimmiC wrote:On January 17 2020 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 01:41 IgnE wrote:On January 17 2020 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 00:51 IgnE wrote:
i don’t think garbage is more expensive than recycling. many municipal recycling programs in the US have been abandoned because china stopped taking our recycling-laden ships and the costs shot up. so what exactly do you mean when you say that recycling is cheaper? One major reason they stopped taking it was because they were full of garbage that we lied and told them was recycling. do you mean some kind of blatant inclusion of pure garbage or do you mean it had to be sorted? many articles of trash are a mixture of materials, either unrecyclable or of different recyclability, which when combined with the not insignificant difficulty for the average consumer of deciding what is recyclable and how, makes recycling piles a total mess. my understanding was that we sent our trash to china because of cheap sorting labor for unmixing it all and because china has recycling facilities for all the various plastics, papers, metals, and glasses All of it. From straight up garbage bins labeled as recycling to the more mundane lazily sorted/cleaned stuff that was recycled in good faith. We (in cooperation with corporations/lowly smugglers in China) smuggled a lot in too. China’s customs authority intercepted nearly 1 million tonnes of illegally imported trash in the first half of this year, it said on Wednesday, part of a crackdown on smuggled waste materials.
www.reuters.comedit: “recycling” is a huge clusterfuck and militant wishcyclers who admonish people for “not recycling” majorly annoy me Yeah, composting is a reasonable expectation for people with yards but most recycling programs in the US have always been bullshit and everyone (except the avg Joes filling their bins) knew it. That is mostly not true and a very negative look at it. There has been parts of them that are complete bullshit but they have done a lot of good. You are talking about throwing out the baby with the bath water. I get that you want this to be true because it fits your narrative but it simply is not. To your composting, yes backyard composting is great for people with yards. But municipal composting programs work for everyone including businesses and the great part is they can accept many more materials (like meat) because the heat generated is enough to kill the parasites and so on. Commercial organics waste can also use this and it is much a much bigger market. There is also a lot of cool programs that are coming out to try to reduce food waste. For example superstore in Canada has released an App called "flash good" where you can purchase food that is right next to it's best before date for pennies on the dollar. This creates a win/win/win as the grocer spends less on waste disposal and the people using the program will generally do there other shopping there. People get a cost savings and if they are cooking it right away or freezing it there is no issues. Also the environment wins. I also wish more people understood that things past there best before date are not expired and bad, it just means they are no longer guaranteed to be fresh. You can tell if they are bad by both smell and the way it looks. If you have a jug of milk and it is past the date but still smells fine, it is still fine, drink it don't throw it out. Please. Having worked in one for 12 years and been more often than not the person reducing and throwing stock away things have greatly improved from a truly soul destroying waste of food to something that’s still wasteful but an improvement. Used to reduce stock, if it didn’t sell it was chucked. Current scenario is reducing, donating bread and vegetables to charity/schools and playgroups, then the staff have their pick of what hasn’t sold for free after 9pm. Then eventually it’s catalogued and chucked, what’s left. We’re largely only wasting actually damaged stuff, or stuff left out of freezers and fridges consistently, so that’s something. Those scenarios are mostly the fault of lazy customers and it’s bloody irritating, but oh well. We're still throwing out millions of tons of (perfectly edible) "ugly" food every year. We burn designer cloths that don't sell to artificially keep their price high and poor people from wearing them, in the US it is a very different story. That still happens in most places to various degrees, like I said lots of meat left on the bone. And there is also a lot of good things happening in pockets across the US. You are just not looking for it because it doesn't fit your narrative that the US is all evil. Complex problems take complex solutions.
In the EU, tonnes of perfectly fine food from farms relying on subsidies is thrown away as it would be too damaging to even put it on the market. The farms are kept alive for political purposes only.
I am not sure if this is some times the case in the US, but it would not surprise me.
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On January 17 2020 03:53 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2020 03:46 JimmiC wrote:On January 17 2020 03:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 03:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 17 2020 02:52 JimmiC wrote:On January 17 2020 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 01:41 IgnE wrote:On January 17 2020 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 00:51 IgnE wrote:
i don’t think garbage is more expensive than recycling. many municipal recycling programs in the US have been abandoned because china stopped taking our recycling-laden ships and the costs shot up. so what exactly do you mean when you say that recycling is cheaper? One major reason they stopped taking it was because they were full of garbage that we lied and told them was recycling. do you mean some kind of blatant inclusion of pure garbage or do you mean it had to be sorted? many articles of trash are a mixture of materials, either unrecyclable or of different recyclability, which when combined with the not insignificant difficulty for the average consumer of deciding what is recyclable and how, makes recycling piles a total mess. my understanding was that we sent our trash to china because of cheap sorting labor for unmixing it all and because china has recycling facilities for all the various plastics, papers, metals, and glasses All of it. From straight up garbage bins labeled as recycling to the more mundane lazily sorted/cleaned stuff that was recycled in good faith. We (in cooperation with corporations/lowly smugglers in China) smuggled a lot in too. China’s customs authority intercepted nearly 1 million tonnes of illegally imported trash in the first half of this year, it said on Wednesday, part of a crackdown on smuggled waste materials.
www.reuters.comedit: “recycling” is a huge clusterfuck and militant wishcyclers who admonish people for “not recycling” majorly annoy me Yeah, composting is a reasonable expectation for people with yards but most recycling programs in the US have always been bullshit and everyone (except the avg Joes filling their bins) knew it. That is mostly not true and a very negative look at it. There has been parts of them that are complete bullshit but they have done a lot of good. You are talking about throwing out the baby with the bath water. I get that you want this to be true because it fits your narrative but it simply is not. To your composting, yes backyard composting is great for people with yards. But municipal composting programs work for everyone including businesses and the great part is they can accept many more materials (like meat) because the heat generated is enough to kill the parasites and so on. Commercial organics waste can also use this and it is much a much bigger market. There is also a lot of cool programs that are coming out to try to reduce food waste. For example superstore in Canada has released an App called "flash good" where you can purchase food that is right next to it's best before date for pennies on the dollar. This creates a win/win/win as the grocer spends less on waste disposal and the people using the program will generally do there other shopping there. People get a cost savings and if they are cooking it right away or freezing it there is no issues. Also the environment wins. I also wish more people understood that things past there best before date are not expired and bad, it just means they are no longer guaranteed to be fresh. You can tell if they are bad by both smell and the way it looks. If you have a jug of milk and it is past the date but still smells fine, it is still fine, drink it don't throw it out. Please. Having worked in one for 12 years and been more often than not the person reducing and throwing stock away things have greatly improved from a truly soul destroying waste of food to something that’s still wasteful but an improvement. Used to reduce stock, if it didn’t sell it was chucked. Current scenario is reducing, donating bread and vegetables to charity/schools and playgroups, then the staff have their pick of what hasn’t sold for free after 9pm. Then eventually it’s catalogued and chucked, what’s left. We’re largely only wasting actually damaged stuff, or stuff left out of freezers and fridges consistently, so that’s something. Those scenarios are mostly the fault of lazy customers and it’s bloody irritating, but oh well. We're still throwing out millions of tons of (perfectly edible) "ugly" food every year. We burn designer cloths that don't sell to artificially keep their price high and poor people from wearing them, in the US it is a very different story. That still happens in most places to various degrees, like I said lots of meat left on the bone. And there is also a lot of good things happening in pockets across the US. You are just not looking for it because it doesn't fit your narrative that the US is all evil. Complex problems take complex solutions. In the EU, tonnes of perfectly fine food from farms relying on subsidies is thrown away as it would be too damaging to even put it on the market. The farms are kept alive for political purposes only. I am not sure if this is some times the case in the US, but it would not surprise me.
Yup, but on the scale, with the carelessness, and single-minded focus on profit you'd expect from the US as opposed to smaller social democratic nations.
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On January 17 2020 04:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2020 03:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 03:53 Slydie wrote:On January 17 2020 03:46 JimmiC wrote:On January 17 2020 03:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 03:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 17 2020 02:52 JimmiC wrote:On January 17 2020 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 01:41 IgnE wrote:On January 17 2020 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
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One major reason they stopped taking it was because they were full of garbage that we lied and told them was recycling. do you mean some kind of blatant inclusion of pure garbage or do you mean it had to be sorted? many articles of trash are a mixture of materials, either unrecyclable or of different recyclability, which when combined with the not insignificant difficulty for the average consumer of deciding what is recyclable and how, makes recycling piles a total mess. my understanding was that we sent our trash to china because of cheap sorting labor for unmixing it all and because china has recycling facilities for all the various plastics, papers, metals, and glasses All of it. From straight up garbage bins labeled as recycling to the more mundane lazily sorted/cleaned stuff that was recycled in good faith. We (in cooperation with corporations/lowly smugglers in China) smuggled a lot in too. China’s customs authority intercepted nearly 1 million tonnes of illegally imported trash in the first half of this year, it said on Wednesday, part of a crackdown on smuggled waste materials.
www.reuters.comedit: “recycling” is a huge clusterfuck and militant wishcyclers who admonish people for “not recycling” majorly annoy me Yeah, composting is a reasonable expectation for people with yards but most recycling programs in the US have always been bullshit and everyone (except the avg Joes filling their bins) knew it. That is mostly not true and a very negative look at it. There has been parts of them that are complete bullshit but they have done a lot of good. You are talking about throwing out the baby with the bath water. I get that you want this to be true because it fits your narrative but it simply is not. To your composting, yes backyard composting is great for people with yards. But municipal composting programs work for everyone including businesses and the great part is they can accept many more materials (like meat) because the heat generated is enough to kill the parasites and so on. Commercial organics waste can also use this and it is much a much bigger market. There is also a lot of cool programs that are coming out to try to reduce food waste. For example superstore in Canada has released an App called "flash good" where you can purchase food that is right next to it's best before date for pennies on the dollar. This creates a win/win/win as the grocer spends less on waste disposal and the people using the program will generally do there other shopping there. People get a cost savings and if they are cooking it right away or freezing it there is no issues. Also the environment wins. I also wish more people understood that things past there best before date are not expired and bad, it just means they are no longer guaranteed to be fresh. You can tell if they are bad by both smell and the way it looks. If you have a jug of milk and it is past the date but still smells fine, it is still fine, drink it don't throw it out. Please. Having worked in one for 12 years and been more often than not the person reducing and throwing stock away things have greatly improved from a truly soul destroying waste of food to something that’s still wasteful but an improvement. Used to reduce stock, if it didn’t sell it was chucked. Current scenario is reducing, donating bread and vegetables to charity/schools and playgroups, then the staff have their pick of what hasn’t sold for free after 9pm. Then eventually it’s catalogued and chucked, what’s left. We’re largely only wasting actually damaged stuff, or stuff left out of freezers and fridges consistently, so that’s something. Those scenarios are mostly the fault of lazy customers and it’s bloody irritating, but oh well. We're still throwing out millions of tons of (perfectly edible) "ugly" food every year. We burn designer cloths that don't sell to artificially keep their price high and poor people from wearing them, in the US it is a very different story. That still happens in most places to various degrees, like I said lots of meat left on the bone. And there is also a lot of good things happening in pockets across the US. You are just not looking for it because it doesn't fit your narrative that the US is all evil. Complex problems take complex solutions. In the EU, tonnes of perfectly fine food from farms relying on subsidies is thrown away as it would be too damaging to even put it on the market. The farms are kept alive for political purposes only. I am not sure if this is some times the case in the US, but it would not surprise me. Yup, but on the scale, with the carelessness, and single-minded focus on profit you'd expect from the US as opposed to smaller social democratic nations. I get really frustrated by posts like this because it is closer to propaganda than it is to anything meaningful. There are many INDIVIDUAL's running large operations and small family businesses, they all have different motivators. Profit is certainly one of them for many, but for most it is not the only one. And with waste, profit is not the worst motivator because all that waste is products they could have sold. With consumption related problems it is harder to harness towards a positive. If this thread was all positive and saying we don't need to change anything the world will be fine with the status quo my posts would have a completely different tone. I am just trying to provide some balance so people realize that there is some good stuff happening and that if they want to they can be a part of it. But don't mistake my positive examples for me saying that we don't have a monumental problem and that it won't take monumental effort to fix.
This, imo, is 90% of his posts. Nothing substantial to offer but narrative driven propaganda.
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On January 17 2020 04:45 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2020 04:40 JimmiC wrote:On January 17 2020 03:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 03:53 Slydie wrote:On January 17 2020 03:46 JimmiC wrote:On January 17 2020 03:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 03:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 17 2020 02:52 JimmiC wrote:On January 17 2020 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2020 01:41 IgnE wrote:
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do you mean some kind of blatant inclusion of pure garbage or do you mean it had to be sorted? many articles of trash are a mixture of materials, either unrecyclable or of different recyclability, which when combined with the not insignificant difficulty for the average consumer of deciding what is recyclable and how, makes recycling piles a total mess. my understanding was that we sent our trash to china because of cheap sorting labor for unmixing it all and because china has recycling facilities for all the various plastics, papers, metals, and glasses All of it. From straight up garbage bins labeled as recycling to the more mundane lazily sorted/cleaned stuff that was recycled in good faith. We (in cooperation with corporations/lowly smugglers in China) smuggled a lot in too. China’s customs authority intercepted nearly 1 million tonnes of illegally imported trash in the first half of this year, it said on Wednesday, part of a crackdown on smuggled waste materials.
www.reuters.comedit: “recycling” is a huge clusterfuck and militant wishcyclers who admonish people for “not recycling” majorly annoy me Yeah, composting is a reasonable expectation for people with yards but most recycling programs in the US have always been bullshit and everyone (except the avg Joes filling their bins) knew it. That is mostly not true and a very negative look at it. There has been parts of them that are complete bullshit but they have done a lot of good. You are talking about throwing out the baby with the bath water. I get that you want this to be true because it fits your narrative but it simply is not. To your composting, yes backyard composting is great for people with yards. But municipal composting programs work for everyone including businesses and the great part is they can accept many more materials (like meat) because the heat generated is enough to kill the parasites and so on. Commercial organics waste can also use this and it is much a much bigger market. There is also a lot of cool programs that are coming out to try to reduce food waste. For example superstore in Canada has released an App called "flash good" where you can purchase food that is right next to it's best before date for pennies on the dollar. This creates a win/win/win as the grocer spends less on waste disposal and the people using the program will generally do there other shopping there. People get a cost savings and if they are cooking it right away or freezing it there is no issues. Also the environment wins. I also wish more people understood that things past there best before date are not expired and bad, it just means they are no longer guaranteed to be fresh. You can tell if they are bad by both smell and the way it looks. If you have a jug of milk and it is past the date but still smells fine, it is still fine, drink it don't throw it out. Please. Having worked in one for 12 years and been more often than not the person reducing and throwing stock away things have greatly improved from a truly soul destroying waste of food to something that’s still wasteful but an improvement. Used to reduce stock, if it didn’t sell it was chucked. Current scenario is reducing, donating bread and vegetables to charity/schools and playgroups, then the staff have their pick of what hasn’t sold for free after 9pm. Then eventually it’s catalogued and chucked, what’s left. We’re largely only wasting actually damaged stuff, or stuff left out of freezers and fridges consistently, so that’s something. Those scenarios are mostly the fault of lazy customers and it’s bloody irritating, but oh well. We're still throwing out millions of tons of (perfectly edible) "ugly" food every year. We burn designer cloths that don't sell to artificially keep their price high and poor people from wearing them, in the US it is a very different story. That still happens in most places to various degrees, like I said lots of meat left on the bone. And there is also a lot of good things happening in pockets across the US. You are just not looking for it because it doesn't fit your narrative that the US is all evil. Complex problems take complex solutions. In the EU, tonnes of perfectly fine food from farms relying on subsidies is thrown away as it would be too damaging to even put it on the market. The farms are kept alive for political purposes only. I am not sure if this is some times the case in the US, but it would not surprise me. Yup, but on the scale, with the carelessness, and single-minded focus on profit you'd expect from the US as opposed to smaller social democratic nations. I get really frustrated by posts like this because it is closer to propaganda than it is to anything meaningful. There are many INDIVIDUAL's running large operations and small family businesses, they all have different motivators. Profit is certainly one of them for many, but for most it is not the only one. And with waste, profit is not the worst motivator because all that waste is products they could have sold. With consumption related problems it is harder to harness towards a positive. If this thread was all positive and saying we don't need to change anything the world will be fine with the status quo my posts would have a completely different tone. I am just trying to provide some balance so people realize that there is some good stuff happening and that if they want to they can be a part of it. But don't mistake my positive examples for me saying that we don't have a monumental problem and that it won't take monumental effort to fix. This, imo, is 90% of his posts. Nothing substantial to offer but narrative driven propaganda.
What is the propaganda?
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Less regulated is probably a better choice of words.
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Northern Ireland26745 Posts
On January 17 2020 05:28 Erasme wrote:
Less regulated is probably a better choice of words.
I don’t think it is in this particular example.
All that food waste in the EU via CAP is specifically due to regulations and not the lack thereof.
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There's a single sentence quoted there, mini-GH, why do you even need to ask what is the propaganda?
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On January 17 2020 05:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
There's a single sentence quoted there, mini-GH, why do you even need to ask what is the propaganda?
I don't see the connexion between the content of the sentence quoted and the accusation made toward it. So I was hoping that I could be shown where the propaganda is, since I don't see it in the quote. Maybe you can help?
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On January 17 2020 05:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
There's a single sentence quoted there, mini-GH, why do you even need to ask what is the propaganda?
Maybe this is a stupid question, but, why "mini"?
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On January 17 2020 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2020 05:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
There's a single sentence quoted there, mini-GH, why do you even need to ask what is the propaganda? Maybe this is a stupid question, but, why "mini"?
I am small and cute
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