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On May 14 2018 08:49 Toadesstern wrote:
The US just doesn't have any kind of breadculture as we do in Germany, France or elsewhere here in Europe. I just wouldn't call most things you get in a supermarkt over there "bread". And while it's a general issue with sugar getting tossed into everything nowadays it's worse due to that
*cough*
As a german living in the UK, this is not entirely correct. Nothing here's "bread", it's all what we would consider simply "toast". No proper "Bauernbrot", things like that (i'm a fan of Sauerteig/sourdough, as near as it makes no difference nonexistent here). I have to (true story) import bread every now and then for monstrously stupid prices via a deli to at least every now and then enjoy actual bread. Like £5 and more per loaf.
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In the UK, you have to go to a bakery to get real bread. It's kind of sad, but we've almost gone American in regards to bread culture. Still, there are plentiful bakeries around, at least where I live. Of course, in your case, there aren't many German style breads, as I would suspect not much German style breads in France either. Still, there are enough sourdough breads and the like.
Food in USA is weird. It was several years ago but I remember that all the meat had this strange chemical tang, an almost ammonia like smell. My American relatives couldn't seem to not notice it. I think their tastebuds had died.
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On May 14 2018 21:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In the UK, you have to go to a bakery to get real bread. It's kind of sad, but we've almost gone American in regards to bread culture. Still, there are plentiful bakeries around, at least where I live. Of course, in your case, there aren't many German style breads, as I would suspect not much German style breads in France either. Still, there are enough sourdough breads and the like.
Food in USA is weird. It was several years ago but I remember that all the meat had this strange chemical tang, an almost ammonia like smell. My American relatives couldn't seem to not notice it. I think their tastebuds had died.
Might be where i live then (wales). There's literally nothing in regards to sourdough bread, except some weird dry packaged thing in filco, which tastes a bit like rubber, or buttcheek (it's like 6 slices and feels like it was lying around openly for three days, if you know what i mean). There's really not that many "styles" in that regard either, a sourdough bread is pretty much that. Might taste a little different because the dough recipe is a bit different, but you got that already from producer to producer.
Our bakeries here (we only got two, small town) don't have sourdough bread either. 
edit: more importantly, i don't have "Mett" here either, and i got some really weird looks when i tried to explain to our butcher what "Mett" is (basically minced raw pork, really - germans and other europeans use it as spread on a bun with onions/garlic/black pepper). Harumph.
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Sometimes, if the supermarket is a big one, there is a in-built bakery as well, though they tend to be a bit crap. Honestly you sound a little homesick, and there probably isn't much of a German market in Wales. Sorry, that you have to suffer our rather lacking food culture.
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Apparently Palestinians are already dying protesting the new embassy opening in Jerusalem. It’s sad how this is all coming about.
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On May 14 2018 21:43 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Sometimes, if the supermarket is a big one, there is a in-built bakery as well, though they tend to be a bit crap. Honestly you sound a little homesick, and there probably isn't much of a German market in Wales. Sorry, that you have to suffer our rather lacking food culture.
We only have an inbuilt butcher/meat station in Filco, coop has nothing fresh. The bakeries are "standalone".
I'm not necessarily homesick, although i do miss a few things. I gained other things though, it's not that i don't like anything here (i'm very fond of my wifes Shepherds Pie), i even tried faggots and they weren't as bad as i thought they'd be (although still rather.. "special" in taste). Mind, i do enjoy a full english too.
I wouldn't call it food "culture" though, but that goes for german food too. ^^
Apparently Palestinians are already dying protesting the new embassy opening in Jerusalem. It’s sad how this is all coming about.
Yup, around 40 dead so far, and it'll be much more by the end of it. It really isn't sad though, it's infuriating. Don't get me wrong, i do understand Israels concerns, i'm not even entirely sure that it wasn't necessary to fire at a crowd. My point is that it could've been entirely prevented, and only happened because Trump needs something that he can point at for accomplishment. Not that diplomacy ever was a strong suite of the US, but under your current administration, there literally is no such thing anymore.
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On May 14 2018 21:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Apparently Palestinians are already dying protesting the new embassy opening in Jerusalem. It’s sad how this is all coming about.
Yeah, it's pretty grotesque what the US and Israel are doing over there.
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Agreed that infuriating and grotesque are fitting adjectives.
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On May 14 2018 21:50 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +Apparently Palestinians are already dying protesting the new embassy opening in Jerusalem. It’s sad how this is all coming about.
Yup, around 40 dead so far, and it'll be much more by the end of it. It really isn't sad though, it's infuriating. Don't get me wrong, i do understand Israels concerns, i'm not even entirely sure that it wasn't necessary to fire at a crowd. My point is that it could've been entirely prevented, and only happened because Trump needs something that he can point at for accomplishment. Not that diplomacy ever was a strong suite of the US, but under your current administration, there literally is no such thing anymore.
The protests are about a lot more than Trumps embassy, though the decision to move it will have fueled some flames higher for no good reason. I don't think you could say the current violence could be prevented by Trump.
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Reports I've read said the Palestinians were throwing pipe bombs and burning things. If you're throwing explosives at people with guns... well, it doesn't strike me as the wisest course of action.
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On May 14 2018 22:13 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2018 21:50 m4ini wrote:Apparently Palestinians are already dying protesting the new embassy opening in Jerusalem. It’s sad how this is all coming about.
Yup, around 40 dead so far, and it'll be much more by the end of it. It really isn't sad though, it's infuriating. Don't get me wrong, i do understand Israels concerns, i'm not even entirely sure that it wasn't necessary to fire at a crowd. My point is that it could've been entirely prevented, and only happened because Trump needs something that he can point at for accomplishment. Not that diplomacy ever was a strong suite of the US, but under your current administration, there literally is no such thing anymore. The protests are about a lot more than Trumps embassy, though the decision to move it will have fueled some flames higher for no good reason. I don't think you could say it could be prevented by Trump.
No, there would've been protests either way, that much certainly is correct.
But arguing that moving the embassy didn't have a huge impact is kinda beyond me. There's a reason why nobody did it before, and he did it on the worst possible day. I assume on purpose.
Of course this would blow up the entire situation (amongst other things i suppose).
Reports I've read said the Palestinians were throwing pipe bombs and burning things. If you're throwing explosives at people with guns... well, it doesn't strike me as the wisest course of action.
Burning things is normal in demonstrations. Not that i'd agree with it, but in germany, france etc at big demonstrations, there's things burning too like trashcans and tires and whatnot. And the reports were of three people trying to lay an explosive device under the fence who got shot and killed. There's a video of those three people, can't see what they were doing but have to assume they DID try something.
That doesn't explain 37 dead, and even less so more than 500 bullet wounds on bystanders. Lets be real here.
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On May 14 2018 21:27 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2018 21:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In the UK, you have to go to a bakery to get real bread. It's kind of sad, but we've almost gone American in regards to bread culture. Still, there are plentiful bakeries around, at least where I live. Of course, in your case, there aren't many German style breads, as I would suspect not much German style breads in France either. Still, there are enough sourdough breads and the like.
Food in USA is weird. It was several years ago but I remember that all the meat had this strange chemical tang, an almost ammonia like smell. My American relatives couldn't seem to not notice it. I think their tastebuds had died. Might be where i live then (wales). There's literally nothing in regards to sourdough bread, except some weird dry packaged thing in filco, which tastes a bit like rubber, or buttcheek (it's like 6 slices and feels like it was lying around openly for three days, if you know what i mean). There's really not that many "styles" in that regard either, a sourdough bread is pretty much that. Might taste a little different because the dough recipe is a bit different, but you got that already from producer to producer. Our bakeries here (we only got two, small town) don't have sourdough bread either. edit: more importantly, i don't have "Mett" here either, and i got some really weird looks when i tried to explain to our butcher what "Mett" is (basically minced raw pork, really - germans and other europeans use it as spread on a bun with onions/garlic/black pepper). Harumph.
maybe you EU guys have drastically different ways of raising pigs, but AFAIK pork needs to be thoroughly cooked before consumption... O_O
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On May 14 2018 22:58 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2018 21:27 m4ini wrote:On May 14 2018 21:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In the UK, you have to go to a bakery to get real bread. It's kind of sad, but we've almost gone American in regards to bread culture. Still, there are plentiful bakeries around, at least where I live. Of course, in your case, there aren't many German style breads, as I would suspect not much German style breads in France either. Still, there are enough sourdough breads and the like.
Food in USA is weird. It was several years ago but I remember that all the meat had this strange chemical tang, an almost ammonia like smell. My American relatives couldn't seem to not notice it. I think their tastebuds had died. Might be where i live then (wales). There's literally nothing in regards to sourdough bread, except some weird dry packaged thing in filco, which tastes a bit like rubber, or buttcheek (it's like 6 slices and feels like it was lying around openly for three days, if you know what i mean). There's really not that many "styles" in that regard either, a sourdough bread is pretty much that. Might taste a little different because the dough recipe is a bit different, but you got that already from producer to producer. Our bakeries here (we only got two, small town) don't have sourdough bread either. edit: more importantly, i don't have "Mett" here either, and i got some really weird looks when i tried to explain to our butcher what "Mett" is (basically minced raw pork, really - germans and other europeans use it as spread on a bun with onions/garlic/black pepper). Harumph. maybe you EU guys have drastically different ways of raising pigs, but AFAIK pork needs to be thoroughly cooked before consumption... O_O
That is outdated. The main disease (trichinosis, a particularly nasty parasitic worm) that you get from eating (raw) pork is no longer an issue (https://www.finedininglovers.com/stories/can-you-eat-raw-pork/). Other than that, it is about as dangerous as any other meat (and plenty of other foodstuffs): storing it improperly and then eating it raw can give you salmonella or e.coli poisoning.
That said, I suspect plenty of people did get nasty diseases from eating mett before we knew anything about basic hygiene... but then again, people got nasty diseases from all kinds of shit back then.
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No, there is no such need. There are no problems with digesting raw meat for humans (as far as i know). Various and numerous pathogens/parasites are the reason why we cook meat. This risk can be partialy mitigated by additional tests performed on meat dedicated for raw consumption. Still cross contamination from other eadible products is possible (in transport or storage) so people eating raw meat regularly should also regularly examine themselvs.
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On May 14 2018 23:11 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2018 22:58 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 14 2018 21:27 m4ini wrote:On May 14 2018 21:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In the UK, you have to go to a bakery to get real bread. It's kind of sad, but we've almost gone American in regards to bread culture. Still, there are plentiful bakeries around, at least where I live. Of course, in your case, there aren't many German style breads, as I would suspect not much German style breads in France either. Still, there are enough sourdough breads and the like.
Food in USA is weird. It was several years ago but I remember that all the meat had this strange chemical tang, an almost ammonia like smell. My American relatives couldn't seem to not notice it. I think their tastebuds had died. Might be where i live then (wales). There's literally nothing in regards to sourdough bread, except some weird dry packaged thing in filco, which tastes a bit like rubber, or buttcheek (it's like 6 slices and feels like it was lying around openly for three days, if you know what i mean). There's really not that many "styles" in that regard either, a sourdough bread is pretty much that. Might taste a little different because the dough recipe is a bit different, but you got that already from producer to producer. Our bakeries here (we only got two, small town) don't have sourdough bread either. edit: more importantly, i don't have "Mett" here either, and i got some really weird looks when i tried to explain to our butcher what "Mett" is (basically minced raw pork, really - germans and other europeans use it as spread on a bun with onions/garlic/black pepper). Harumph. maybe you EU guys have drastically different ways of raising pigs, but AFAIK pork needs to be thoroughly cooked before consumption... O_O That is outdated. The main disease (trichinosis, a particularly nasty parasitic worm) that you get from eating (raw) pork is no longer an issue (https://www.finedininglovers.com/stories/can-you-eat-raw-pork/). Other than that, it is about as dangerous as any other meat (and plenty of other foodstuffs): storing it improperly and then eating it raw can give you salmonella or e.coli poisoning. That said, I suspect plenty of people did get nasty diseases from eating mett before we knew anything about basic hygiene... but then again, people got nasty diseases from all kinds of shit back then.
huh, TIL. i'm pretty surprised i'd never heard that until now. i'll have to find a place that serves it, i love steak tartare, sashimi, oysters and all the rest.
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On May 14 2018 22:58 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2018 21:27 m4ini wrote:On May 14 2018 21:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In the UK, you have to go to a bakery to get real bread. It's kind of sad, but we've almost gone American in regards to bread culture. Still, there are plentiful bakeries around, at least where I live. Of course, in your case, there aren't many German style breads, as I would suspect not much German style breads in France either. Still, there are enough sourdough breads and the like.
Food in USA is weird. It was several years ago but I remember that all the meat had this strange chemical tang, an almost ammonia like smell. My American relatives couldn't seem to not notice it. I think their tastebuds had died. Might be where i live then (wales). There's literally nothing in regards to sourdough bread, except some weird dry packaged thing in filco, which tastes a bit like rubber, or buttcheek (it's like 6 slices and feels like it was lying around openly for three days, if you know what i mean). There's really not that many "styles" in that regard either, a sourdough bread is pretty much that. Might taste a little different because the dough recipe is a bit different, but you got that already from producer to producer. Our bakeries here (we only got two, small town) don't have sourdough bread either. edit: more importantly, i don't have "Mett" here either, and i got some really weird looks when i tried to explain to our butcher what "Mett" is (basically minced raw pork, really - germans and other europeans use it as spread on a bun with onions/garlic/black pepper). Harumph. maybe you EU guys have drastically different ways of raising pigs, but AFAIK pork needs to be thoroughly cooked before consumption... O_O
In norway there was actually a statement from some food health department a couple years ago stating that uncooked pork was now safe to eat. There's this Trichinella bacteria which is present in pork in many countries - which is super dangerous, but in Norway, not a single case has been detected since 1994. My understanding is that the reason why pork has to be cooked is basically to kill those trichinella bacterias.
rest of EU probably hasn't quite eradicated it to the level we have, though. And, unlike beef (which I like a lot raw), pork just isn't tasty if it's not cooked properly.
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On May 14 2018 22:14 iamthedave wrote:Reports I've read said the Palestinians were throwing pipe bombs and burning things. If you're throwing explosives at people with guns... well, it doesn't strike me as the wisest course of action.
Western reporting on Israel is garbage. All the lefties who think Israel gets prime coverage over here should go and re-read the actual tweets and stories that get posted. One of their worst offenses is simply believing whatever they are told if it makes Israel look bad. you either have to go deeper into the story or they have to change it later after putting it up. I mean they are still calling it a "protest."
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On May 15 2018 00:06 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2018 22:14 iamthedave wrote:On May 14 2018 22:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 14 2018 21:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Apparently Palestinians are already dying protesting the new embassy opening in Jerusalem. It’s sad how this is all coming about. https://twitter.com/faresakram/status/996005457524396032Yeah, it's pretty grotesque what the US and Israel are doing over there. Reports I've read said the Palestinians were throwing pipe bombs and burning things. If you're throwing explosives at people with guns... well, it doesn't strike me as the wisest course of action. Western reporting on Israel is garbage. All the lefties who think Israel gets prime coverage over here should go and re-read the actual tweets and stories that get posted. One of their worst offenses is simply believing whatever they are told if it makes Israel look bad. you either have to go deeper into the story or they have to change it later after putting it up. I mean they are still calling it a "protest."
I prefer to refer to it as the desperate plea of people that are the target of deliberate and illegal ethnic cleansing, but protest works too. What would you prefer?
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On May 15 2018 00:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2018 00:06 Introvert wrote:On May 14 2018 22:14 iamthedave wrote:On May 14 2018 22:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 14 2018 21:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Apparently Palestinians are already dying protesting the new embassy opening in Jerusalem. It’s sad how this is all coming about. https://twitter.com/faresakram/status/996005457524396032Yeah, it's pretty grotesque what the US and Israel are doing over there. Reports I've read said the Palestinians were throwing pipe bombs and burning things. If you're throwing explosives at people with guns... well, it doesn't strike me as the wisest course of action. Western reporting on Israel is garbage. All the lefties who think Israel gets prime coverage over here should go and re-read the actual tweets and stories that get posted. One of their worst offenses is simply believing whatever they are told if it makes Israel look bad. you either have to go deeper into the story or they have to change it later after putting it up. I mean they are still calling it a "protest." I prefer to refer to it as the desperate plea of people that are the target of deliberate and illegal ethnic cleansing, but protest works too. What would you prefer?
I'll take the bait before I have to go and say let's compromise. At least we could call it a "violent protest." That's a start.
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On May 15 2018 00:22 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2018 00:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 15 2018 00:06 Introvert wrote:On May 14 2018 22:14 iamthedave wrote:On May 14 2018 22:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 14 2018 21:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Apparently Palestinians are already dying protesting the new embassy opening in Jerusalem. It’s sad how this is all coming about. https://twitter.com/faresakram/status/996005457524396032Yeah, it's pretty grotesque what the US and Israel are doing over there. Reports I've read said the Palestinians were throwing pipe bombs and burning things. If you're throwing explosives at people with guns... well, it doesn't strike me as the wisest course of action. Western reporting on Israel is garbage. All the lefties who think Israel gets prime coverage over here should go and re-read the actual tweets and stories that get posted. One of their worst offenses is simply believing whatever they are told if it makes Israel look bad. you either have to go deeper into the story or they have to change it later after putting it up. I mean they are still calling it a "protest." I prefer to refer to it as the desperate plea of people that are the target of deliberate and illegal ethnic cleansing, but protest works too. What would you prefer? I'll take the bait before I have to go and say let's compromise. At least we could call it a "violent protest." That's a start.
Sure, but what then do you call the Israelis killing 37 people? Or is that the violence you're referencing?
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