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I understand what IgnE was trying to say. The idea writing off an entire state makes sense if you have no chance to win it, and if they are polling nationally then you have to take out those states and by and the % of the poll they would make up. Not sure if i'm explaining that right but its an interesting point.
Also Id like to see Gabbard get a bit more media time, to me she seem's like the ideal candidate. young, female, veteran, anti-war. On that alone i'd think she'd be polling well. I honestly can't believe liz warren has a pulse.
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That Beto and Yang aren't even in consideration for these polls is what really shocks me. We'll see at the debate who shows up and who performs.
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On June 13 2019 05:25 Taelshin wrote:
I understand what IgnE was trying to say. The idea writing off an entire state makes sense if you have no chance to win it, and if they are polling nationally then you have to take out those states and by and the % of the poll they would make up. Not sure if i'm explaining that right but its an interesting point.
Also Id like to see Gabbard get a bit more media time, to me she seem's like the ideal candidate. young, female, veteran, anti-war. On that alone i'd think she'd be polling well. I honestly can't believe liz warren has a pulse.
Yeah especially as our country becomes more divided. Lots of recent data/studies coming out showing that states are becoming more polarized. Illinois and Alabama being 2 recent big examples. In many ways, national polling is getting less relevant.
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On June 13 2019 06:42 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 05:25 Taelshin wrote:
I understand what IgnE was trying to say. The idea writing off an entire state makes sense if you have no chance to win it, and if they are polling nationally then you have to take out those states and by and the % of the poll they would make up. Not sure if i'm explaining that right but its an interesting point.
Also Id like to see Gabbard get a bit more media time, to me she seem's like the ideal candidate. young, female, veteran, anti-war. On that alone i'd think she'd be polling well. I honestly can't believe liz warren has a pulse. Yeah especially as our country becomes more divided. Lots of recent data/studies coming out showing that states are becoming more polarized. Illinois and Alabama being 2 recent big examples. In many ways, national polling is getting less relevant.
Electoral calculus aside, the extent to which states seem to be polarizing should be at least somewhat discounted by how much broad agreement there is among urban areas. The same is oftentimes true of rural areas, but based on my anecdotal impressions after the Midwest has been hammered by uniquely bad weather, I think attitudes towards climate change are going to start splintering rural agreement. Farmers who are foregoing an entire season's worth of corn (and are looking to have to prepare to do so for years to come) simply won't accept the notion that humans have nothing to do with, or no ability to change, what is going on with our weather.
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I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China.
TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market.
Source.
Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain.
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On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. Show nested quote +TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain.
I can see how this harms China, but it doesn't bring jobs or investment back to the US. Instead the jobs go to the next cheap-labor country in line (of which there are many).
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On June 13 2019 07:25 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain. I can see how this harms China, but it doesn't bring jobs or investment back to the US. Instead the jobs go to the next cheap-labor country in line (of which there are many).
What Trump is doing is making China a far riskier proposition for capital investment, thereby causing businesses to look elsewhere for setting up shop. Not all of the business will relocate to the US. It's going to go to a variety of places. But knocking off China is paramount because they're the big cheaters globally. Even if the investment dollars go somewhere other than the US, the US still wins because 1) China is harmed, and 2) US consumers won't eat the tariffs on goods from China.
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On June 13 2019 07:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 07:25 Doodsmack wrote:On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain. I can see how this harms China, but it doesn't bring jobs or investment back to the US. Instead the jobs go to the next cheap-labor country in line (of which there are many). What Trump is doing is making China a far riskier proposition for capital investment, thereby causing businesses to look elsewhere for setting up shop. Not all of the business will relocate to the US. It's going to go to a variety of places. But knocking off China is paramount because they're the big cheaters globally. Even if the investment dollars go somewhere other than the US, the US still wins because 1) China is harmed, and 2) US consumers won't eat the tariffs on goods from China.
Yeah I'm fully on board with this. No matter how you look at it, China represents a level of government control that sends shivers down my spine.
In many ways, I see China as a bit of a cultural climate change. If China were ever to topple the US as the world's #1, I truly do think we'd be looking at dystopia. Every indication is that China will only become more and more oppressive. The idea of China's influence continuing to slowly grow scares me and I fully support anything that makes China's 100 year plan look worse.
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On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. Show nested quote +TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain.
Yes, he prepared them for this by...dropping out of the trade agreement that would have strengthened our ties with these countries and serve as a united front to put pressure on China. Next-level stuff.
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On June 13 2019 07:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 07:25 Doodsmack wrote:On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain. I can see how this harms China, but it doesn't bring jobs or investment back to the US. Instead the jobs go to the next cheap-labor country in line (of which there are many). What Trump is doing is making China a far riskier proposition for capital investment, thereby causing businesses to look elsewhere for setting up shop. Not all of the business will relocate to the US. It's going to go to a variety of places. But knocking off China is paramount because they're the big cheaters globally. Even if the investment dollars go somewhere other than the US, the US still wins because 1) China is harmed, and 2) US consumers won't eat the tariffs on goods from China.
Also, do you think it's a long-term winner to try to specifically destroy China's economy? How do you think China, strongest military power in its area, might respond to the loss of its current economic setup?
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On June 13 2019 08:24 CatharsisUT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain. Yes, he prepared them for this by...dropping out of the trade agreement that would have strengthened our ties with these countries and serve as a united front to put pressure on China. Next-level stuff.
TPP wasn't the right vehicle to accomplish this goal. Trump's going about it differently and in a way that works better for the US.
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On June 13 2019 07:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 07:25 Doodsmack wrote:On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain. I can see how this harms China, but it doesn't bring jobs or investment back to the US. Instead the jobs go to the next cheap-labor country in line (of which there are many). What Trump is doing is making China a far riskier proposition for capital investment, thereby causing businesses to look elsewhere for setting up shop. Not all of the business will relocate to the US. It's going to go to a variety of places. But knocking off China is paramount because they're the big cheaters globally. Even if the investment dollars go somewhere other than the US, the US still wins because 1) China is harmed, and 2) US consumers won't eat the tariffs on goods from China.
But the goods weren't coming from SEA instead of China for a reason: They're more expensive from there. So in the end the price of things will still go up as compared to when China was doing it.
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On June 13 2019 08:25 CatharsisUT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 07:30 xDaunt wrote:On June 13 2019 07:25 Doodsmack wrote:On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain. I can see how this harms China, but it doesn't bring jobs or investment back to the US. Instead the jobs go to the next cheap-labor country in line (of which there are many). What Trump is doing is making China a far riskier proposition for capital investment, thereby causing businesses to look elsewhere for setting up shop. Not all of the business will relocate to the US. It's going to go to a variety of places. But knocking off China is paramount because they're the big cheaters globally. Even if the investment dollars go somewhere other than the US, the US still wins because 1) China is harmed, and 2) US consumers won't eat the tariffs on goods from China. Also, do you think it's a long-term winner to try to specifically destroy China's economy? How do you think China, strongest military power in its area, might respond to the loss of its current economic setup?
If you don't understand why China is geopolitically dangerous and why it is in America's interest to slow or halt its ascent, then there really isn't much point talking with you.
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On June 13 2019 08:42 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 07:30 xDaunt wrote:On June 13 2019 07:25 Doodsmack wrote:On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain. I can see how this harms China, but it doesn't bring jobs or investment back to the US. Instead the jobs go to the next cheap-labor country in line (of which there are many). What Trump is doing is making China a far riskier proposition for capital investment, thereby causing businesses to look elsewhere for setting up shop. Not all of the business will relocate to the US. It's going to go to a variety of places. But knocking off China is paramount because they're the big cheaters globally. Even if the investment dollars go somewhere other than the US, the US still wins because 1) China is harmed, and 2) US consumers won't eat the tariffs on goods from China. But the goods weren't coming from SEA instead of China for a reason: They're more expensive from there. So in the end the price of things will still go up as compared to when China was doing it.
That calculus is far different now than it was 10-20 years ago when all of the investment in China was made.
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On June 13 2019 08:24 CatharsisUT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain. Yes, he prepared them for this by...dropping out of the trade agreement that would have strengthened our ties with these countries and serve as a united front to put pressure on China. Next-level stuff.
You beat me to it. This was what I was thinking when I read his post. TPP, like GND, was an alliance formed framework with the emphasis of squeezing China. Now that his master is doing it, albeit by throwing the market and people's livelihoods into disarray and then backing away, is next-level.
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On June 13 2019 07:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 07:25 Doodsmack wrote:On June 13 2019 06:56 xDaunt wrote:I've made previous posts about Trump's strategy with his trade war with China and specifically, his goal of leveraging American economic power and relations to brutalize China's economy and slow, if not halt, its ascendance as a global power, all while boosting domestic investment and output that had previously been going to China. The true harm to China from Trump's tariffs is starting to manifest itself now as multinational supply chains are beginning to shift out of China. TOKYO— Nintendo Co. is shifting some production of its Switch videogame console to Southeast Asia from China to limit the impact of possible U.S. tariffs on Chinese-made electronics, said people who work on Nintendo’s supply chain.
It is another example of manufacturers adapting to the tariff threat. Taiwan’s Foxconn Technology Group said Tuesday that it was ready to move assembly of Apple Inc.’s iPhones out of China if necessary, and Japan’s Sharp Corp. , which is controlled by Foxconn, said last week that it planned to move production of personal computers to Taiwan or Vietnam.
Kyoto-based Nintendo has traditionally relied on the Chinese factories of contract assembly companies to make its videogame hardware. That includes the Switch console, introduced in 2017.
The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.
People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market. Source. Looking back at the numerous trips that Trump has taken to Western pacific and Southeast Asian countries over the past two years, it is obvious that Trump has been laying the groundwork for this for a while. He's been preparing all of these countries and their businesses for a huge opportunity to steal business from China once the tariffs came into effect. This is why China is now threatening businesses that are considering redeploying operations outside of China and has otherwise been treating the trade war as an existential threat. They know that they're about to suffer a lot of economic pain. I can see how this harms China, but it doesn't bring jobs or investment back to the US. Instead the jobs go to the next cheap-labor country in line (of which there are many). What Trump is doing is making China a far riskier proposition for capital investment, thereby causing businesses to look elsewhere for setting up shop. Not all of the business will relocate to the US. It's going to go to a variety of places. But knocking off China is paramount because they're the big cheaters globally. Even if the investment dollars go somewhere other than the US, the US still wins because 1) China is harmed, and 2) US consumers won't eat the tariffs on goods from China.
You are aware that those other countries assembling the end product still have to buy all the materials and components from China?
China has wisely chosen to sit this one until Trump is gone instead of accepting this invitation to a trade war and hurting themselves in the process of hurting the US more. But this doesn't insulate the US from potential retaliation in any way. All they'd have to do is ban selling rare elements to the US for 'national security reasons' and the tech industry crashes into the sun.
I'm all for reducing China's leverage but no single country or current trading block can achieve that alone.
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Its a case of seeing a result from what Trump is doing and then building a narrative around that result being the plan all along.
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On June 13 2019 09:19 Gorsameth wrote:
Its a case of seeing a result from what Trump is doing and then building a narrative around that result being the plan all along.
And of course completely ignoring the negative consequences that farmers are already suffering because of Trump's trade spat with China.
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This article discusses some of the interviews the DOJ will be doing of CIA people regarding the Russia investigation. CIA Director Haspel has apparently told her people to cooperate, but she has said the CIA "will still work to protect critical pieces of intelligence whose disclosure could jeopardize sources, reveal collection methods or disclose information provided by allies." That last part is very important, because the allegation is that the Obama admin improperly coordinated with allied intelligence agencies to surveil Trump's people. If the CIA is opposed to revealing interactions with allies, that would hamper Barr's probe quite a bit.
Justice Dept. Seeks to Question C.I.A. Officers in Russia Inquiry Review
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