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Plansix
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ticklishmusic
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The plot thickens (it's already pretty thick, but we're approaching pitch drop levels of viscosity). Sessions says he didn't know about the investigation, though. | ||
Wulfey_LA
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On March 22 2018 05:24 ticklishmusic wrote: https://twitter.com/MLevineReports/status/976550709209550848 The plot thickens (it's already pretty thick, but we're approaching pitch drop levels of viscosity). Sessions says he didn't know about the investigation, though. Ask yourself, how many times has Jeff Sessions testified under oath in the last 1-2 years that he didn't know something? How many times was he lying? Based on his uninterrupted string of perjuries, I conclude from Sessions statement that 'I didn't know' that Sessions had documentary proof that he was being investigated prior to participating in firing McCabe. | ||
Plansix
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IyMoon
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It is good to know that the FBI checks these things and will close something if nothing is found though. | ||
Excludos
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Another dropped bomb. .. Mr Turnbull described how the company created the “Defeat Crooked Hilary” brand of attack ads, that were funded by the Make America Number 1 super-PAC and watched more than 30 million times during the campaign. In one exchange Alexander Nix revealed the company used a secret self-destructing email system that leaves no trace. He said: “No-one knows we have it, and secondly we set our… emails with a self-destruct timer… So you send them and after they’ve been read, two hours later, they disappear. There’s no evidence, there’s no paper trail, there’s nothing.” Apparently there are 5 parts total. So 2 more to go | ||
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Mohdoo
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On March 22 2018 06:10 Excludos wrote: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/20/1750614/-Part-three-of-Cambridge-Analytica-report-makes-a-liar-out-of-everyone-on-the-Trump-campaign Another dropped bomb. Apparently there are 5 parts total. So 2 more to go Please let part 5 be: "turns out their emails didn't disappear" | ||
On_Slaught
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Only choice is to take back the house. | ||
Doodsmack
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Introvert
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In spoiler is a thread by a NYT reporter talking about this: + Show Spoiler + | ||
Plansix
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I find it interesting that you take the approach that we are saying “This is why we lost” when no one in the thread is saying that. It is like you want to drag this discussion back to the familiar ground of re-litigating the election results. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States22615 Posts
That seems to be the underlying theme between multiple campaigns and also explains Trump's early hesitancy. CA/Trump just got caught. | ||
Danglars
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On March 22 2018 06:37 Introvert wrote: Two weeks ago, everyone knew CA was massively over-hyped and made most of it's money by selling itself well. This hasn't changed, except now we know they are shady actors to boot (although their FB data gathering was hardly new). This looks more like it is just the latest "why we lost" excuse. In spoiler is a thread by a NYT reporter talking about this: + Show Spoiler + They were lightweights compared to Obama's 2012 operation, but unethically duped their users and FaceBook for the data use. You put all this stuff online for free, and facebook sells it. That's the business model. But they you have these losers, one example below, that very explicitly want 2016 to not be enough fellow Americans picking Trump over Clinton It's definitely a story, don't get me wrong. I've seen people here react with a sober take on it (Hallelujah). It's mostly outlets like Vox and the Guardian (i think one story in NYT too) that are more transparently chalking up another tally in the column of Bad Things That Made My Gal Lose That Weren't Her Fault. | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21317 Posts
I agree that using Facebook data to target ads is in and of itself nothing new or bad, and that's not what keeping CA in the news either. Its all the other potentially shady stuff surrounding it. | ||
Excludos
Norway7938 Posts
On March 22 2018 06:37 Introvert wrote: Two weeks ago, everyone knew CA was massively over-hyped and made most of it's money by selling itself well. This hasn't changed, except now we know they are shady actors to boot (although their FB data gathering was hardly new). This looks more like it is just the latest "why we lost" excuse. In spoiler is a thread by a NYT reporter talking about this: + Show Spoiler + This is the definition of strawman. Don't.. Literally no one has even mentioned the election results. This is a firm breaking the law on behalf of Donald Trump and his team by violating the privacy of millions upon millions of people. You should be outraged by this yourself, no matter where on the spectrum you lie. I think that deserves a little bit more than "Oh those silly libruls are excusing their loss again" | ||
Excludos
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Introvert
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On March 22 2018 07:06 Excludos wrote: This is the definition of strawman. Don't.. Literally no one has even mentioned the election results. This is a firm breaking the law on behalf of Donald Trump and his team by violating the privacy of millions upon millions of people. You should be outraged by this yourself, no matter where on the spectrum you lie. I think that deserves a little bit more than "Oh those silly libruls are excusing their loss again" Danglars is right that this thread has been better than elsewhere, but the story is still receiving coverage not proportionate to it's importance. The privacy thing is more important than whatever happened for the Trump campaign or, as people are now talking about, Brexit. It's good to see criticism of FB in here as well but let's not pretend this story would have nearly the impact it does if the many millions had their privacy breached by some other corporation for some other cause. If they aren't effective then the only angle should be the privacy angle. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Edit: It looks like the Obama campaign had access to friends lists, similar to CA. So the difference I guess is that CA had access to political survey results conducted as part of a university research project, then resold in an unethical way. Another difference is that the Obama campaign wasn't sending targeted ads based on a psychological profile. Instead they were trying to get people to share stories about Obama. The thing about CA is that they're involved in military "psy ops" campaigns. So the big difference here is the idea of psychological manipulation. [T]he Obama team had a solution in place: a Facebook application that will transform the way campaigns are conducted in the future... [T]he more than 1 million Obama backers who signed up for the app gave the campaign permission to look at their Facebook friend lists. In an instant, the campaign had a way to see the hidden young voters. Roughly 85% of those without a listed phone number could be found in the uploaded friend lists. What’s more, Facebook offered an ideal way to reach them. “People don’t trust campaigns. They don’t even trust media organizations,” says Goff. “Who do they trust? Their friends.” The campaign called this effort targeted sharing. And in those final weeks of the campaign, the team blitzed the supporters who had signed up for the app with requests to share specific online content with specific friends simply by clicking a button. More than 600,000 supporters followed through with more than 5 million contacts, asking their friends to register to vote, give money, vote or look at a video designed to change their mind. A geek squad in Chicago created models from vast data sets to find the best approaches for each potential voter. “We are not just sending you a banner ad,” explains Dan Wagner, the Obama campaign’s 29-year-old head of analytics, who helped oversee the project. “We are giving you relevant information from your friends.” Early tests of the system found statistically significant changes in voter behavior. People whose friends sent them requests to register to vote and to vote early, for example, were more likely to do so than similar potential voters who were not contacted. That confirmed a trend already noted in political-science literature: online social networks have the power to change voting behavior. swampland.time.com | ||
Plansix
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But the company the Mercer's hired for him after they bailed out his campaign in a UK company. If they provided him with assistance and data they collected, that is a violation of election laws. CA coordinating the Trump campaign effort with a Super PAC they also ran is a violation of campaign finance law. And CA was actively seeking out young, white conservatives to would respond well to racism and authoritarianism back in 2014. Steve Bannon was building a voter base to push against Republicans and then running Breitbart to stoke those flames. And Steve Bannon ran Trumps election campaign after they teamed up with Mercer and CA. There is no doubt Trump won the election. We are just getting a better picture of the tools he and Bannon used to do it. Some xenophobia, racism, fear, and a flagrant disregard for election laws all funded by some billionaires. | ||
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