EPTAlso, there is no such thing as the Hyde Compromise. There is the Hyde Amendment. But the Republicans seem to be reverting back to their corners to blame the Democrats for not being able to govern under Trump.
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also, there is no such thing as the Hyde Compromise. There is the Hyde Amendment. But the Republicans seem to be reverting back to their corners to blame the Democrats for not being able to govern under Trump. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21317 Posts
Any bill must be made publicly available for atleast 24 hours before it can be voted on. That congressmen are still willing to except this 'no you can't see the bill, now go vote yes on it' business is bullshit. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On March 22 2018 02:03 iamthedave wrote: Choosing national pride over reality? Doesn't sound AT ALL like any western nation I'm aware of...*COUGH*brexit*COUGH* That's a through thread I saw as well. One of them said 'he lets us be proud to be Russian' or something to that effect. I think it might actually have been along the lines of 'under Putin, we can hold our heads high again' actually. He was one of the middling fellows, he didn't like the stronger armed bits of the Putin era, but he felt the overall impact on 'Russian'ness was such a net positive that it didn't matter. A powerful motivator, national pride, and a powerful tool if you can make yourself its symbol. I'd say it's just pride in general. It doesn't require patriotism or nationalism. Those things just come with the package. In fact, it's often easier if the person whose pride is being taken has no feelings about politics or their nation to begin with -- a clean canvas. Marketing anything, especially people and ideas, is about emotional-investment. Get someone to tell their friends and family that your idea or candidate is the "good one", and however light the praise, what you essentially have is a commitment written in blood. Part of Trump's success was in getting people who don't pay attention to politics to make their first, small emotional-investment into him (in addition to the usual Republican-faithful). And we can see the struggle in getting people to abandon that investment. People would rather destroy hundreds' of years of democratically-intrinsic institutions than tell their friends and family, "We fucked up, didn't we?" Likewise, Putin has long been the only thing for a Russian to praise. If you're born in Russia, and want to know what it's like to feel proud about your people, you have exactly one option. Putin has all the emotional-investment, as he came in at a time when national-pride was at a low, when Russia was in its delicate stage of democratic-infancy and Russians were being told their history is one giant failure. Putin tells them the opposite. They're proud of Stalin, again. This was a giant, clean canvas, that almost anyone could have turned into a dictatorship. Ergo, Russia is now a country where running for political-opposition means you get shot dead in the public-square, and almost no one will even give a fuck. What's most dangerous is when the source of pride, Putin, is no longer there, and something needs to take its place. Putin isn't half as concerning as the nationalist power-vacuum he's preparing to leave behind in his absence. | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On March 22 2018 03:02 Gorsameth wrote: I know a good new rule to introduce for congress. Any bill must be made publicly available for atleast 24 hours before it can be voted on. That congressmen are still willing to except this 'no you can't see the bill, now go vote yes on it' business is bullshit. I'd probably go for something closer to a week with an exception for emergencies, but this is definitely an idea that I support. I'd hope that some of the American conservatives in this thread would also support something like this. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11300 Posts
On March 22 2018 03:06 Kyadytim wrote: I'd probably go for something closer to a week with an exception for emergencies, but this is definitely an idea that I support. I'd hope that some of the American conservatives in this thread would also support something like this. Yeah, this is really confusing to me. Having to vote on stuff you haven't even read is even more banana republic than the US standard. How is that normal? Especially considering that legislative action is not usually initiated by something extremely pressing that requires instant action. I find it interesting how this budget deadline seems to creep up on congress as if they were students writing some homework. Every single time. It can't be that hard to deal with this shit a few weeks ahead of time. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
They start in the House(most of the time). They pass and go up to the senate. Then the senate passes their own version of the bill. It goes down to the house and both chambers work to make a bill that has aspects of both house and senate bills. Both chambers then pass the “perfected” bill and it goes to the President. So by the end of it, both sides are well aware of that should be in the bill and what isn’t. They might not have read every fine detail, but they understand the intent of the bill and there was a lot of debate and discussion about it. So it isn’t common. But the budget is huge and most congress members never read all of it. The problem right now is both chambers are a mess and they are trying to slam through bills and guess what the president will sign. Because the man isn’t clear, it is hard for them to work on anything. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On March 21 2018 20:32 iamthedave wrote: What's his personal view of Putin? I'm curious as - obviously - we rarely get the views of actual Russians. I've known a couple that are sort of on the fence. They like him and what he's doing but would rather he did some things differently, and one or two at the opposite extremes. I wrote this post on internal opposition and this one on the media that you might find interesting (since it seems you joined the discussion quite a bit later than most folks here). I had a third post elaborating on "consolidating the business class" that I'd have linked if I remembered when and where I made it. 90% sure it's in the euro thread but was unable to dig it up. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13729 Posts
On March 22 2018 03:06 Kyadytim wrote: I'd probably go for something closer to a week with an exception for emergencies, but this is definitely an idea that I support. I'd hope that some of the American conservatives in this thread would also support something like this. In principle yeah, you'd have to make a decision on what to do about amendments. The delay of it can be voted, on the extent of what can be amended, and obvious shenanigans that could ensue such as misspellings or missing parts. Plus if it gets listed publicly I'd be for disseminating it into various other languages for minorities. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Also the police say there still could be bombs still unaccounted for. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On March 22 2018 02:44 a_flayer wrote: So... with statements like this from the higher ups at Cambridge Analytica... You still think the Russians were responsible for giving Wikileaks the data? I think you need to get your head sorted out. Edit: I've said this before, and I feel it bears repeating with these revelations. I'm absolutely positive the Russian intelligence hacked the DNC. Why? Because they were gathering information on political parties in other countries. That's what intelligence agencies do: see the CIA hacking into the servers of French political parties. However, there is nothing that indicates the Russians actually gave the data to Wikileaks. Now, take into the account the notion that the DNC did not want to give the FBI access to their servers. Why? I suspect there was evidence of many data breaches, and whichever organization was responsible for that server did not want this information to come out. So, the DNC refuses access and says to trust their IT guys. I think it - at the very least - equally plausible that the DNC was hacked by individuals acting on behalf of Cambridge Analytica associates, and that THEY gave the data to Wikileaks. I mean, seriously, this blind fervor towards Russia is crazy if you take into account what we just learned about Cambridge Analytica. They literally said that they did something which is eerily similar to what actually happened in 2016. The professional consensus is that it was Russia not CA. For one guy at CA to say they do something similar doesn't really mean anything. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22615 Posts
On March 22 2018 03:45 Doodsmack wrote: The professional consensus is that it was Russia not CA. For one guy at CA to say they do something similar doesn't really mean anything. I think the key point is that the professionals never actually saw the hardware that was compromised. The information they were given pointed at Russian involvement but they didn't have access to the raw data. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 22 2018 02:07 On_Slaught wrote: From the reports I've heard, his wife is doing as much or more work in HUD than he is. She probably did make the final call. Watching that video it looks so much like he is lying. Obviously can't prove it, but his voice and face and eye contact all look like somebody lying their way through a hearing. I've always felt that Carson's body language/ demeanor typically was between "I'm kind of going through the motions/ not totally here/ sincere" and "I just woke up and I really want to go back to sleep again". So this is par for the course. On March 22 2018 03:06 Kyadytim wrote: I'd probably go for something closer to a week with an exception for emergencies, but this is definitely an idea that I support. I'd hope that some of the American conservatives in this thread would also support something like this. Yeah, the idea of making a decision on 'trust me, you should do this because the party' is one of the things that stand out about how partisan Congress is. | ||
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Excludos
Norway7937 Posts
On March 22 2018 03:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So apparently the bomber worked with conductors and other electronics as a career. Wonder if that explains the complexity of the package bombs. Also the police say there still could be bombs still unaccounted for. Oh, did they catch him? Any indication for motive yet? | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32736 Posts
On March 22 2018 04:29 Excludos wrote: Oh, did they catch him? Any indication for motive yet? Bomber committed suicide with an explosive, and no real motive yet. He's been described as a 23-year-old unemployed man who was homeschooled and attended a community college a few years ago but dropped out. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-blast/texas-bombing-suspect-blows-self-up-on-roadside-as-police-close-in-idUSKBN1GX0YG | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15382 Posts
On March 22 2018 04:33 PhoenixVoid wrote: Bomber committed suicide with an explosive, and no real motive yet. He's been described as a 23-year-old unemployed man who was homeschooled and attended a community college a few years ago but dropped out. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-blast/texas-bombing-suspect-blows-self-up-on-roadside-as-police-close-in-idUSKBN1GX0YG Mediocre white dude gets depressed, decides to off himself, then realizes he can feel somewhat valuable by killing some people first. yawn. User was warned for this post. | ||
micronesia
United States24554 Posts
On March 22 2018 04:46 Mohdoo wrote: Mediocre white dude gets depressed, decides to off himself, then realizes he can feel somewhat valuable by killing some people first. yawn. What is your point? It seems like you have no issue with mediocre suicidal people killing innocents and terrorizing a city. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7802 Posts
On March 22 2018 04:46 Mohdoo wrote: Mediocre white dude gets depressed, decides to off himself, then realizes he can feel somewhat valuable by killing some people first. yawn. I guess quite a lot of terror attack follow the same narrative if you replace « white » by « brown » really. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22615 Posts
Very few mention that the first two victims families knew each other through church: The two Texans killed by package bombs in Austin, Texas, this month were members of prominent African-American families and knew each other, the local NAACP president said Wednesday. “They have a long history and go to the same church,” Nelson Linder said of the two victims, Stephen House and Draylen Mason, in an interview with NBC News. Source or that the third victim may have also been connected: East Austin resident Erica Mason, whose neighbor was injured in one of three recent package explosions that have gripped the city, talked to investigators Wednesday about whether she was related to the Mason family that was targeted in at least one of the bombings. Mason, who is from Iowa, isn’t related to the Mason family that is prominent in Austin’s African-American community. But police have developed a theory that the bomber may have mistaken her for another member of the family. Source That sure looks like a pattern to me. Not some depressed white guy taking some rando's with him. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15382 Posts
On March 22 2018 04:53 micronesia wrote: What is your point? It seems like you have no issue with mediocre suicidal people killing innocents and terrorizing a city. My post came across very wrong. My bad. I'm just frustrated what a clear problem our society has right now and we aren't fixing it. We have no mental health safety net and we need it badly. | ||
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