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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
April 22 2019 21:28 GMT
#27481
I don’t think it matters much at all if something is reported on by all the major outlets for a day, or whatever. Most big stuff is at least given some kind of airing to some degree.

It feels nowadays that ‘big coverage’ means either wall to wall stuff for a short period, or something sticking around for a good few days.

Not sure if it’s just more material competing on different platforms, or a more fragmented news space or whatever.

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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44440 Posts
April 22 2019 23:42 GMT
#27482
On April 23 2019 04:24 Plansix wrote:
The war on Christmas was never real. The only problems people have with Christmas are related to it being a holiday about consuming in support of capitalism.

How dare you disrespect all the veterans of the war on Christmas and the Happy Holidays they endured!
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franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
April 23 2019 00:17 GMT
#27483
On April 23 2019 04:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It reads more like an attempt to write "church worshippers" and "christians" but without insulting either of those who count themselves as such, but that would not attend Easter services, which are attributed to be pagan rituals. Most who count themselves of being in a church, or would call themselves Christians do not attend Easter services at all.

It is strange phrasing, but when the President of USA writes that 138 million Sri Lankans were killed by a terrorist attack, that's much more worthy to focus on. That is far more interesting words for youngjiddle to point out instead.

In any case, no group has claimed ownership of the attack, which is somewhat strange to be honest. That too is far more interesting.


come on, he probably just miss typed, he didn't actually think 138 million Sri Lankans were killed.

if you actually think that he meant that, well you must just be purposely denying common sense to make Trump look worse.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44440 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-23 00:36:45
April 23 2019 00:36 GMT
#27484
On April 23 2019 09:17 youngjiddle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2019 04:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It reads more like an attempt to write "church worshippers" and "christians" but without insulting either of those who count themselves as such, but that would not attend Easter services, which are attributed to be pagan rituals. Most who count themselves of being in a church, or would call themselves Christians do not attend Easter services at all.

It is strange phrasing, but when the President of USA writes that 138 million Sri Lankans were killed by a terrorist attack, that's much more worthy to focus on. That is far more interesting words for youngjiddle to point out instead.

In any case, no group has claimed ownership of the attack, which is somewhat strange to be honest. That too is far more interesting.


come on, he probably just miss typed, he didn't actually think 138 million Sri Lankans were killed.

if you actually think that he meant that, well you must just be purposely denying common sense to make Trump look worse.

Would you make that mistake? One thing we see a lot with Trump apologists is people saying "X is completely normal" and then when asked backtracking to "well no, I personally would never do X".

It's not like he typed m instead of k or whatever. He described a completely different event (mass genocide on a scale never before seen on earth) than the one that happened by adding an additional word. I don't think it's a typo, I think it's senility. We saw the same thing with McCain for a few months before the brain tumour became public. I believe that for whatever reason Trump briefly believed that 138 million Sri Lankans were killed and nothing in his brain triggered his "this doesn't sound true" reflex because he doesn't have one of those.

You can't typo "" as " millions". The Levenshtein distance between those two is 9. I'd believe "m" instead of "k", that's just a Levenshtein distance of 1.
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iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-23 01:22:31
April 23 2019 01:20 GMT
#27485
On April 23 2019 08:42 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2019 04:24 Plansix wrote:
The war on Christmas was never real. The only problems people have with Christmas are related to it being a holiday about consuming in support of capitalism.

How dare you disrespect all the veterans of the war on Christmas and the Happy Holidays they endured!


I get PTSD just thinking about those times I spent at Christmas... opening presents... eating... the endless eating...

On April 23 2019 09:17 youngjiddle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2019 04:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It reads more like an attempt to write "church worshippers" and "christians" but without insulting either of those who count themselves as such, but that would not attend Easter services, which are attributed to be pagan rituals. Most who count themselves of being in a church, or would call themselves Christians do not attend Easter services at all.

It is strange phrasing, but when the President of USA writes that 138 million Sri Lankans were killed by a terrorist attack, that's much more worthy to focus on. That is far more interesting words for youngjiddle to point out instead.

In any case, no group has claimed ownership of the attack, which is somewhat strange to be honest. That too is far more interesting.


come on, he probably just miss typed, he didn't actually think 138 million Sri Lankans were killed.

if you actually think that he meant that, well you must just be purposely denying common sense to make Trump look worse.


Why are you mentioning common sense and Trump in the same sentence?

He says utterly stupid things so regularly that even his supporters on here regularly say we should ignore his tweets because they're so reliably nonsensical. And he doubles down on a lot of his nonsense.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-23 01:35:16
April 23 2019 01:33 GMT
#27486
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-23 04:12:03
April 23 2019 04:11 GMT
#27487
On April 23 2019 09:17 youngjiddle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2019 04:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It reads more like an attempt to write "church worshippers" and "christians" but without insulting either of those who count themselves as such, but that would not attend Easter services, which are attributed to be pagan rituals. Most who count themselves of being in a church, or would call themselves Christians do not attend Easter services at all.

It is strange phrasing, but when the President of USA writes that 138 million Sri Lankans were killed by a terrorist attack, that's much more worthy to focus on. That is far more interesting words for youngjiddle to point out instead.

In any case, no group has claimed ownership of the attack, which is somewhat strange to be honest. That too is far more interesting.


come on, he probably just miss typed, he didn't actually think 138 million Sri Lankans were killed.

if you actually think that he meant that, well you must just be purposely denying common sense to make Trump look worse.

How do you go from 138 to adding the word million and call that a mistype. He didn't think/care and word vomited out a tweet, which is perfectly inline with most of his tweets.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-23 04:51:40
April 23 2019 04:45 GMT
#27488
It's just another reminder that Trump aversion to re-reading his tweets after he writes them (hence so many typos so often). It is pure stream of consciousness. Since it's so unfiltered we get a pretty good look into his mind and how broken it is.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8224 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-23 09:07:48
April 23 2019 09:03 GMT
#27489
On April 23 2019 04:52 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2019 04:40 JimmiC wrote:
On April 23 2019 04:18 Danglars wrote:
The reporting on the Sri Lanka attack the killed hundreds is a pretty minor one. Quite a lot was made in the news about the identity of the worshipers in the New Zealand killings. It fed into the loudest people here, as elsewhere, talking about white supremacy and anti-Muslim bigotry. That's the antecedent and should be understood.

The reason why people got confused or outraged was that prominent people made no reference to the religious identity of the victims in their expressions of sympathy. It's not that they absolutely knew the writers intended to leave the religious identity out. It's that awkward phrasing was used and the question was why on earth would someone not use Christians in the reporting.

As long as you're willing to talk about the ideology of the killers and the religion of the victims, I don't really care enough to argue with people that say it's no big deal. I see enough outrage in the world to not waste too much time on questions like "Maybe some comms people wanted to soften the religious context involved."


How was the reporting about Sri Lanka killings small? It was the lead story on every site and news broadcast I saw? Is this some odd form of concern trolling? How could have they reported it bigger? You disagreed with their font choice? I'm confused.


The reporting is "small" because the attacks happened in a third world country. I don't think it's fair to blame the media for covering it like they did instead of giving it the same attention the 2015 Paris attacks received.

Yup.

To be honest, muslims die by thousand in terrorist attacks in the middle east that don’t get reported at all.

That attack, rightfully so, made the main title of every newspaper I am reading and is still the main story of the NYT days after, with many articles on the islamist group that did it.

But again, some people are so committed to a specific narrative that it has to be that « the mainstream media doesn’t talk about it and hides it was islamist killing christians because of the liberals and the PC police ». Even though you can figure out it’s utter crap by opening virtually any news outlet.

Some things just don’t change.

I also love that you guys go for tiny and totally insignificant semantic detail to be outraged - so, so outraged. And then say that liberals are snowflakes.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
April 23 2019 11:59 GMT
#27490
Came across this on my travels, I know it’s only the UN and it’s known for being super effective, but still.

As with Trump’s Presidency in many ways I thought he’d largely steer clear of certain social issues, bar some lip service because his historic positions would have made a switch of tack too transparent, and he’d stick to his immigrant bashing/populism and whatnot.

www.theguardian.com
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18488 Posts
April 23 2019 12:07 GMT
#27491
On April 23 2019 20:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
Came across this on my travels, I know it’s only the UN and it’s known for being super effective, but still.

As with Trump’s Presidency in many ways I thought he’d largely steer clear of certain social issues, bar some lip service because his historic positions would have made a switch of tack too transparent, and he’d stick to his immigrant bashing/populism and whatnot.

www.theguardian.com

I'm confused. What is the resolution about? Rape as a "weapon of war"? Or sexual and reproductive health and access to healthcare services. I might be stupid, but I don't really see what one has to do with the other at all, and therefore don't see why removing the language about the latter is problematic.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
April 23 2019 12:24 GMT
#27492
On April 23 2019 21:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2019 20:59 Wombat_NI wrote:
Came across this on my travels, I know it’s only the UN and it’s known for being super effective, but still.

As with Trump’s Presidency in many ways I thought he’d largely steer clear of certain social issues, bar some lip service because his historic positions would have made a switch of tack too transparent, and he’d stick to his immigrant bashing/populism and whatnot.

www.theguardian.com

I'm confused. What is the resolution about? Rape as a "weapon of war"? Or sexual and reproductive health and access to healthcare services. I might be stupid, but I don't really see what one has to do with the other at all, and therefore don't see why removing the language about the latter is problematic.

Both I assume?

Presumably the odd rape will result in pregnancy so it seems kind of something you have to include in any kind of resolution on this issue.

Seems an odd hill to not die on really, considering the US isn’t staunchly pro life exactly, and even many who are make an exception for rape and incest.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 23 2019 13:51 GMT
#27493
I'm curious how people feel about this. I was pondering my own salary and what I contribute, and decided teachers should make more money than me. Kamala Harris recently talked about increasing teacher salary.

My perspective: The more we learn about emotional/mental development, the more clear it is that there is a huge difference between good and bad teachers. Teachers need to not only relay information, but basically be mini-psychologists. The foundation we build for people as children continues to play a role way, way later in development. In many ways, teachers can play a huge role in determining how well kids turn out.

This is especially true because the vast majority of parents don't even tutor their own children. They are negligent and in many ways the state is forced to pick up the slack.

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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 23 2019 13:54 GMT
#27494
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 23 2019 13:57 GMT
#27495
The pay for teachers is a joke these days and they should be paid equal to the most valuable professions on the market. A fully licensed plumber can pull down $80-100K a year if they are into the hustle. And education of our children is as valuable as running water.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
April 23 2019 14:00 GMT
#27496
I don’t think what you pay them is all that important vs identifying and getting rid of bad teachers, or giving them the assistance to not be bad.

In a way you don’t want it to be too lucrative necessarily, in that people who are good teachers tend to be intrinsically motivated to teach to some degree. I mean obviously I’m exaggerating but you don’t want the kinds of folks who go into finance for the money ending up in teaching

But yes they should be paid more considering the importance of what they do. On basically every way of thinking about it from the moralistic to the ruthlessly pragmatic ‘we are dogs of the capitalist machine’, good teachers help you get better cogs.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
April 23 2019 14:03 GMT
#27497
Pay over here could be better, I have a lot of family who teach, both in Norn Iron and England.

Their chief gripe isn’t pay, obviously everyone would like to be paid more if it was an option, but it’s continuous changes to the curriculum that are based on political whims rather than good evidence-based tweaks informed by any expertise on how children optimally learn.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
April 23 2019 14:04 GMT
#27498
Teachers should be regarded the same as any other credentialed professional trade a la lawyers, doctors, and accountants.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 23 2019 14:05 GMT
#27499
We cannot fire our way to better education and classrooms. Removing bad teachers is not a solution because we lack the good teachers to replace them with. As a recovering history teacher, I know a lot of talented people who entered the education industry with the best of intentions and left because they were not valued. The focus on firing bad teachers ignores that fact that education has a talent retention problem and seems to have its roots in going after teachers unions.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 23 2019 14:06 GMT
#27500
On April 23 2019 22:54 JimmiC wrote:
Part of it is supply and demand. And here teachers make great money, habe great benifits and holidays. My wife is a teacher and very happy with her pay. She just wants reasonable class sizes and assistants when she has severe behavior children.

I would totally be a teacher if it didn't mean making way less money. In Oregon it's about 50% of engineer salary. As a result, no one with engineering credentials ever decide to be a teacher. Lots of really bright people who are great at lecturing/mentoring choose not to apply that to elevating children because the pay is too low.
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