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On April 23 2019 00:07 Gorsameth wrote:Because he isn't as rich as he likes to claim? possible debts? financial constructions that means he doesn't pay a lot of taxes? There is a lot that could be worth hiding to a lying narcissist. Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 00:05 Ayaz2810 wrote:On April 23 2019 00:00 JimmiC wrote:What is the official Trump line on why he doesn't want to release his finances and taxes? I remember it wasn't to long ago when he was going to release them as soon as audit was done and own the libs? Now he is suing to try to stop it? In the article it mentions that the Dem's are trying to hurt him and this is why he is blocking. But why would he think this would hurt him?https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/22/politics/donald-trump-organization-financial-records/index.html Because of all the illegal shit he has done probably? You don't put illegal stuff in your tax returns that you send to the government...
There is actually a line on the 1040 for illegally earned income, just FYI.
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You'd be surprised how many forms have questions on them for people to admit to crimes/obviously disqualifying experiences.
When you buy a gun it asks if you're a fugitive and people report themselves quite frequently.
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On April 23 2019 00:36 JimmiC wrote:
Is that for Capone?
It’s for all other non-employment income. Illegal income is the main one there though, although selling blood plasma would also go there. You don’t have to specify the source of the income.
Interestingly enough there’s also a rule in financial statement audit that requires that the financial statements disclose extremely aggressive (unsupported) tax positions and treatments. That one is actually policed, public companies who disclose there will get asked about it by the IRS.
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On April 23 2019 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2019 23:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
one thing that's kind of curious is how gabbard and yang (who are meme tier candidates) have hit 65k donations whereas a couple of the better known candidates haven't. Yang has massive support in Asian communities and some support from libertarian leaning folks Gabbards support comes largely for people looking for an anti-war stance and Bernie supporters with an extra dollar (and don't understand her Hindu nationalist stuff). I'm just hoping to see Gravel on the stage personally.
How close is Gravel to getting on stage? I don't know where to view this information.
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On April 23 2019 00:07 Gorsameth wrote:Because he isn't as rich as he likes to claim? possible debts? financial constructions that means he doesn't pay a lot of taxes? There is a lot that could be worth hiding to a lying narcissist. Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 00:05 Ayaz2810 wrote:On April 23 2019 00:00 JimmiC wrote:What is the official Trump line on why he doesn't want to release his finances and taxes? I remember it wasn't to long ago when he was going to release them as soon as audit was done and own the libs? Now he is suing to try to stop it? In the article it mentions that the Dem's are trying to hurt him and this is why he is blocking. But why would he think this would hurt him?https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/22/politics/donald-trump-organization-financial-records/index.html Because of all the illegal shit he has done probably? You don't put illegal stuff in your tax returns that you send to the government...
People do it all the time. I'll bet shitloads of people write in and pay taxes on income that was actually laundered money. In fact, I know they do because my coworker's ex husband got locked up because of it.
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On April 23 2019 00:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 22 2019 23:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
one thing that's kind of curious is how gabbard and yang (who are meme tier candidates) have hit 65k donations whereas a couple of the better known candidates haven't. Yang has massive support in Asian communities and some support from libertarian leaning folks Gabbards support comes largely for people looking for an anti-war stance and Bernie supporters with an extra dollar (and don't understand her Hindu nationalist stuff). I'm just hoping to see Gravel on the stage personally. How close is Gravel to getting on stage? I don't know where to view this information.
Well he's starting to poll better than Gillibrand (might not get included in the polls that count) and has ~20k donors so far.
So he needs to get polled in the important polls and/or about 45k more donors. Frankly there's probably not a better value for $1 to be found imo.
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On April 23 2019 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 00:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On April 23 2019 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 22 2019 23:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
one thing that's kind of curious is how gabbard and yang (who are meme tier candidates) have hit 65k donations whereas a couple of the better known candidates haven't. Yang has massive support in Asian communities and some support from libertarian leaning folks Gabbards support comes largely for people looking for an anti-war stance and Bernie supporters with an extra dollar (and don't understand her Hindu nationalist stuff). I'm just hoping to see Gravel on the stage personally. How close is Gravel to getting on stage? I don't know where to view this information. Well he's starting to poll better than Gillibrand (might not get included in the polls that count) and has ~20k donors so far. So he needs to get polled in the important polls and/or about 45k more donors. Frankly there's probably not a better value for $1 to be found imo.
I thought the donations had to be $20 +?
Also, this is just for the first debate. DNC is going to make followup debates harder to get into.
My guess is DNC wants top 3... maybe top 5 sooner rather than later
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On April 23 2019 01:06 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 00:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On April 23 2019 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 22 2019 23:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
one thing that's kind of curious is how gabbard and yang (who are meme tier candidates) have hit 65k donations whereas a couple of the better known candidates haven't. Yang has massive support in Asian communities and some support from libertarian leaning folks Gabbards support comes largely for people looking for an anti-war stance and Bernie supporters with an extra dollar (and don't understand her Hindu nationalist stuff). I'm just hoping to see Gravel on the stage personally. How close is Gravel to getting on stage? I don't know where to view this information. Well he's starting to poll better than Gillibrand (might not get included in the polls that count) and has ~20k donors so far. So he needs to get polled in the important polls and/or about 45k more donors. Frankly there's probably not a better value for $1 to be found imo. I thought the donations had to be $20 +? Also, this is just for the first debate. DNC is going to make followup debates harder to get into. My guess is DNC wants top 3... maybe top 5 sooner rather than later
Polling Method: Register 1% or more support in three polls (which may be national polls, or polls in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and/or Nevada) publicly released between January 1, 2019, and 14 days prior to the date of the Organization Debate. Qualifying polls will be limited to those sponsored by one or more of the following organizations/institutions: Associated Press, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Des Moines Register, Fox News, Las Vegas Review Journal, Monmouth University, NBC News, New York Times, National Public Radio (NPR), Quinnipiac University, Reuters, University of New Hampshire, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Washington Post, Winthrop University. Any candidate’s three qualifying polls must be conducted by different organizations, or if by the same organization, must be in different geographical areas.
Grassroots Fundraising Method. Candidates may qualify for the debate by demonstrating that the campaign has received donations from at least (1) 65,000 unique donors; and (2) a minimum of 200 unique donors per state in at least 20 U.S. states. To demonstrate that the fundraising threshold has been reached, candidates must provide verifiable evidence, which they may do by authorizing ActBlue and/or NGP VAN to provide that evidence.
I don't think that was their plan coming into 2020 but the whole "split the delegates with lots of state specific candidates" strategy is failing miserably.
Think actblue has $1 min so that handles the proving part for the campaigns rather than trying to prove it with mail-in donations or whatever.
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On April 23 2019 01:12 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 01:06 IyMoon wrote:On April 23 2019 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 00:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On April 23 2019 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 22 2019 23:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
one thing that's kind of curious is how gabbard and yang (who are meme tier candidates) have hit 65k donations whereas a couple of the better known candidates haven't. Yang has massive support in Asian communities and some support from libertarian leaning folks Gabbards support comes largely for people looking for an anti-war stance and Bernie supporters with an extra dollar (and don't understand her Hindu nationalist stuff). I'm just hoping to see Gravel on the stage personally. How close is Gravel to getting on stage? I don't know where to view this information. Well he's starting to poll better than Gillibrand (might not get included in the polls that count) and has ~20k donors so far. So he needs to get polled in the important polls and/or about 45k more donors. Frankly there's probably not a better value for $1 to be found imo. I thought the donations had to be $20 +? Also, this is just for the first debate. DNC is going to make followup debates harder to get into. My guess is DNC wants top 3... maybe top 5 sooner rather than later Show nested quote +Polling Method: Register 1% or more support in three polls (which may be national polls, or polls in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and/or Nevada) publicly released between January 1, 2019, and 14 days prior to the date of the Organization Debate. Qualifying polls will be limited to those sponsored by one or more of the following organizations/institutions: Associated Press, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Des Moines Register, Fox News, Las Vegas Review Journal, Monmouth University, NBC News, New York Times, National Public Radio (NPR), Quinnipiac University, Reuters, University of New Hampshire, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Washington Post, Winthrop University. Any candidate’s three qualifying polls must be conducted by different organizations, or if by the same organization, must be in different geographical areas.
Grassroots Fundraising Method. Candidates may qualify for the debate by demonstrating that the campaign has received donations from at least (1) 65,000 unique donors; and (2) a minimum of 200 unique donors per state in at least 20 U.S. states. To demonstrate that the fundraising threshold has been reached, candidates must provide verifiable evidence, which they may do by authorizing ActBlue and/or NGP VAN to provide that evidence. I don't think that was their plan coming into 2020 but the whole "split the delegates with lots of state specific candidates" strategy is failing miserably.
I am pretty sure the DNC 2020 plan is just 'dont be DNC 2016'
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On April 23 2019 01:18 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 01:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 01:06 IyMoon wrote:On April 23 2019 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 00:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On April 23 2019 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 22 2019 23:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
one thing that's kind of curious is how gabbard and yang (who are meme tier candidates) have hit 65k donations whereas a couple of the better known candidates haven't. Yang has massive support in Asian communities and some support from libertarian leaning folks Gabbards support comes largely for people looking for an anti-war stance and Bernie supporters with an extra dollar (and don't understand her Hindu nationalist stuff). I'm just hoping to see Gravel on the stage personally. How close is Gravel to getting on stage? I don't know where to view this information. Well he's starting to poll better than Gillibrand (might not get included in the polls that count) and has ~20k donors so far. So he needs to get polled in the important polls and/or about 45k more donors. Frankly there's probably not a better value for $1 to be found imo. I thought the donations had to be $20 +? Also, this is just for the first debate. DNC is going to make followup debates harder to get into. My guess is DNC wants top 3... maybe top 5 sooner rather than later Polling Method: Register 1% or more support in three polls (which may be national polls, or polls in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and/or Nevada) publicly released between January 1, 2019, and 14 days prior to the date of the Organization Debate. Qualifying polls will be limited to those sponsored by one or more of the following organizations/institutions: Associated Press, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Des Moines Register, Fox News, Las Vegas Review Journal, Monmouth University, NBC News, New York Times, National Public Radio (NPR), Quinnipiac University, Reuters, University of New Hampshire, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Washington Post, Winthrop University. Any candidate’s three qualifying polls must be conducted by different organizations, or if by the same organization, must be in different geographical areas.
Grassroots Fundraising Method. Candidates may qualify for the debate by demonstrating that the campaign has received donations from at least (1) 65,000 unique donors; and (2) a minimum of 200 unique donors per state in at least 20 U.S. states. To demonstrate that the fundraising threshold has been reached, candidates must provide verifiable evidence, which they may do by authorizing ActBlue and/or NGP VAN to provide that evidence. I don't think that was their plan coming into 2020 but the whole "split the delegates with lots of state specific candidates" strategy is failing miserably. I am pretty sure the DNC 2020 plan is just 'dont be DNC 2016'
Not from my perspective, this is just 2016 DNC as the underdog without an anointed candidate.
On April 23 2019 01:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 01:18 IyMoon wrote:On April 23 2019 01:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 01:06 IyMoon wrote:On April 23 2019 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 00:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On April 23 2019 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 22 2019 23:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
one thing that's kind of curious is how gabbard and yang (who are meme tier candidates) have hit 65k donations whereas a couple of the better known candidates haven't. Yang has massive support in Asian communities and some support from libertarian leaning folks Gabbards support comes largely for people looking for an anti-war stance and Bernie supporters with an extra dollar (and don't understand her Hindu nationalist stuff). I'm just hoping to see Gravel on the stage personally. How close is Gravel to getting on stage? I don't know where to view this information. Well he's starting to poll better than Gillibrand (might not get included in the polls that count) and has ~20k donors so far. So he needs to get polled in the important polls and/or about 45k more donors. Frankly there's probably not a better value for $1 to be found imo. I thought the donations had to be $20 +? Also, this is just for the first debate. DNC is going to make followup debates harder to get into. My guess is DNC wants top 3... maybe top 5 sooner rather than later Polling Method: Register 1% or more support in three polls (which may be national polls, or polls in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and/or Nevada) publicly released between January 1, 2019, and 14 days prior to the date of the Organization Debate. Qualifying polls will be limited to those sponsored by one or more of the following organizations/institutions: Associated Press, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Des Moines Register, Fox News, Las Vegas Review Journal, Monmouth University, NBC News, New York Times, National Public Radio (NPR), Quinnipiac University, Reuters, University of New Hampshire, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Washington Post, Winthrop University. Any candidate’s three qualifying polls must be conducted by different organizations, or if by the same organization, must be in different geographical areas.
Grassroots Fundraising Method. Candidates may qualify for the debate by demonstrating that the campaign has received donations from at least (1) 65,000 unique donors; and (2) a minimum of 200 unique donors per state in at least 20 U.S. states. To demonstrate that the fundraising threshold has been reached, candidates must provide verifiable evidence, which they may do by authorizing ActBlue and/or NGP VAN to provide that evidence. I don't think that was their plan coming into 2020 but the whole "split the delegates with lots of state specific candidates" strategy is failing miserably. I am pretty sure the DNC 2020 plan is just 'dont be DNC 2016' This does seem like the master plan. And if they have to do things to limit the field to keep spoiler candidates(like real spoiler candidates set on ruining debate, not Bernie) from mucking up debates, they will be transparent about it and talk about it up front. Having the first massive debate and then getting feedback is a good way to handle that problem.
That sounds like a matter of perspective and preference, afaic plenty of spoilers and people wasting debate time with platitudes and empty rhetoric are going to be welcomed by the DNC
To that point I think Inslee is a schmuck but his idea on an all climate change debate is good and Vermin Supreme's probably got better positions than half the DNC preferences for a debate stage.
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On April 23 2019 01:18 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 01:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 01:06 IyMoon wrote:On April 23 2019 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 00:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On April 23 2019 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 22 2019 23:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
one thing that's kind of curious is how gabbard and yang (who are meme tier candidates) have hit 65k donations whereas a couple of the better known candidates haven't. Yang has massive support in Asian communities and some support from libertarian leaning folks Gabbards support comes largely for people looking for an anti-war stance and Bernie supporters with an extra dollar (and don't understand her Hindu nationalist stuff). I'm just hoping to see Gravel on the stage personally. How close is Gravel to getting on stage? I don't know where to view this information. Well he's starting to poll better than Gillibrand (might not get included in the polls that count) and has ~20k donors so far. So he needs to get polled in the important polls and/or about 45k more donors. Frankly there's probably not a better value for $1 to be found imo. I thought the donations had to be $20 +? Also, this is just for the first debate. DNC is going to make followup debates harder to get into. My guess is DNC wants top 3... maybe top 5 sooner rather than later Polling Method: Register 1% or more support in three polls (which may be national polls, or polls in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and/or Nevada) publicly released between January 1, 2019, and 14 days prior to the date of the Organization Debate. Qualifying polls will be limited to those sponsored by one or more of the following organizations/institutions: Associated Press, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Des Moines Register, Fox News, Las Vegas Review Journal, Monmouth University, NBC News, New York Times, National Public Radio (NPR), Quinnipiac University, Reuters, University of New Hampshire, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Washington Post, Winthrop University. Any candidate’s three qualifying polls must be conducted by different organizations, or if by the same organization, must be in different geographical areas.
Grassroots Fundraising Method. Candidates may qualify for the debate by demonstrating that the campaign has received donations from at least (1) 65,000 unique donors; and (2) a minimum of 200 unique donors per state in at least 20 U.S. states. To demonstrate that the fundraising threshold has been reached, candidates must provide verifiable evidence, which they may do by authorizing ActBlue and/or NGP VAN to provide that evidence. I don't think that was their plan coming into 2020 but the whole "split the delegates with lots of state specific candidates" strategy is failing miserably. I am pretty sure the DNC 2020 plan is just 'dont be DNC 2016'
This does seem like the master plan. And if they have to do things to limit the field to keep spoiler candidates(like real spoiler candidates set on ruining debate, not Bernie) from mucking up debates, they will be transparent about it and talk about it up front. Having the first massive debate and then getting feedback is a good way to handle that problem.
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On April 23 2019 01:18 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 01:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 01:06 IyMoon wrote:On April 23 2019 01:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 23 2019 00:55 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On April 23 2019 00:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 22 2019 23:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
one thing that's kind of curious is how gabbard and yang (who are meme tier candidates) have hit 65k donations whereas a couple of the better known candidates haven't. Yang has massive support in Asian communities and some support from libertarian leaning folks Gabbards support comes largely for people looking for an anti-war stance and Bernie supporters with an extra dollar (and don't understand her Hindu nationalist stuff). I'm just hoping to see Gravel on the stage personally. How close is Gravel to getting on stage? I don't know where to view this information. Well he's starting to poll better than Gillibrand (might not get included in the polls that count) and has ~20k donors so far. So he needs to get polled in the important polls and/or about 45k more donors. Frankly there's probably not a better value for $1 to be found imo. I thought the donations had to be $20 +? Also, this is just for the first debate. DNC is going to make followup debates harder to get into. My guess is DNC wants top 3... maybe top 5 sooner rather than later Polling Method: Register 1% or more support in three polls (which may be national polls, or polls in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and/or Nevada) publicly released between January 1, 2019, and 14 days prior to the date of the Organization Debate. Qualifying polls will be limited to those sponsored by one or more of the following organizations/institutions: Associated Press, ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Des Moines Register, Fox News, Las Vegas Review Journal, Monmouth University, NBC News, New York Times, National Public Radio (NPR), Quinnipiac University, Reuters, University of New Hampshire, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Washington Post, Winthrop University. Any candidate’s three qualifying polls must be conducted by different organizations, or if by the same organization, must be in different geographical areas.
Grassroots Fundraising Method. Candidates may qualify for the debate by demonstrating that the campaign has received donations from at least (1) 65,000 unique donors; and (2) a minimum of 200 unique donors per state in at least 20 U.S. states. To demonstrate that the fundraising threshold has been reached, candidates must provide verifiable evidence, which they may do by authorizing ActBlue and/or NGP VAN to provide that evidence. I don't think that was their plan coming into 2020 but the whole "split the delegates with lots of state specific candidates" strategy is failing miserably. I am pretty sure the DNC 2020 plan is just 'dont be DNC 2016'
To their anti-credit, they have no choice. Bernie has the party under his huge dong right now. This is just like Trump 2016, either they hop on the train or implode. They truly have no choice.
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On April 23 2019 02:14 JimmiC wrote:
It would be very wise but I doubt it will happen if they all ran positive campaigns. Talking about how awesome they are but also saying that their opponents were strong too. They should leave the negative shit to the opponents. It would be bold and crazy but it would sure be a nice change from all fighting and negativity that is Trump. I think it would be a great way to show that they are a different party that is looking to work to solutions not just fight about crap.
The problem with that is it never works.
If you like person A, person B probably isnt going to win you over by going ' look how great I am '
Person B best chance is to make person A seem like a bad choice
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On April 23 2019 02:23 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2019 02:14 JimmiC wrote:
It would be very wise but I doubt it will happen if they all ran positive campaigns. Talking about how awesome they are but also saying that their opponents were strong too. They should leave the negative shit to the opponents. It would be bold and crazy but it would sure be a nice change from all fighting and negativity that is Trump. I think it would be a great way to show that they are a different party that is looking to work to solutions not just fight about crap. The problem with that is it never works. If you like person A, person B probably isnt going to win you over by going ' look how great I am ' Person B best chance is to make person A seem like a bad choice
But mudslinging usually makes both sides look kinda bad. That is okay in a two-party system, as long as you make the other guy look more bad than you make yourself look bad, but if there are viable alternatives, a mudfight between two candidates can easily mean that both lose votes.
And especially in the beginning, you probably don't want to convince the people that already have a candidate they like, you need to convince the ones who don't.
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I think it's important for people to distinguish "mud slinging" from substantive critique and contrast as well.
A lot of the Democratic party considers anything that doesn't reflect well on their preferred candidate/policy/position to be "mud slinging".
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Is this the next phase in the outrage machine? People who worship on the day of Easter must be referred to by the religious sect and given a full and detailed reason why they are worshiping. No short hand will be used. If it is, it disrespectful to Christians. Or something?
On the list of things that don’t matter, what short hand people/political parties use on twitter is up there.
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