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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
This was the greatest fear during the last days of the Nixon administration. But we are far away from that and racing towards military conflict in a far more complex region. | ||
bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On April 11 2018 10:05 KwarK wrote: That's not how it works. The left doesn't have moral high ground over the right because they're leftists. Rather, they're leftists because they have morals. You've got your cause and effect backwards. Urgh | ||
Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Of course these dinosaurs aren't going to ask technologically-proficient questions. But open-hearings are a pony-show anyways. What actually matters is the staffers and the follow-up. And it's not a question of illegality. It's a question of oversight and regulations -- so in that respect, Facebook is no more "liberal" in this than any other monopolistic corporation. I do think the current government is feckless, but I wouldn't make that judgment based off the open-hearing. Rather I'm making that judgment based on the fact that nothing will come from it. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The head of the FBI, a guy who wouldn't have been able to stop this raid even if he wanted to. I expect we will see more of this in the coming days while the leadership of the House and Senate hold a tight grip on what bills can be brought to the floor. Senators are trying to bring bills to the floor to protect the special counsel, but the House and Senate leaders not interested those bills with votes from Democrats. Especially the House. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 11 2018 12:53 Plansix wrote: It appears Nunes has gone from removing himself from the investigation to pushing to remove the head of the FBI. https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/983904259392589824 The head of the FBI, a guy who wouldn't have been able to stop this raid even if he wanted to. I expect we will see more of this in the coming days while the leadership of the House and Senate hold a tight grip on what bills can be brought to the floor. Senators are trying to bring bills to the floor to protect the special counsel, but the House and Senate leaders not interested those bills with votes from Democrats. Especially the House. Wow what a clown. Could he be any more in the tank for Trump? | ||
Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On April 11 2018 13:57 Doodsmack wrote: Wow what a clown. Could he be any more in the tank for Trump? He is only in the tank because the left VICITMIZED him. Ingraham would know, that Hoggs bully victimized her with her advertisers (you might even say he cuckolded her). I don't know if you have heard, but being a Conservative these days is like being a Jew in Germany in 1939. As for liberals: Well, guys, check your privilege. Try to really imagine what it might be like to have a conservative identity when cultural products almost all skew liberal. That is, to be one of the few acceptable villains for all the movies and jokes and television shows. To see your viewpoint systematically excluded and slighted. To have your daily life, your beliefs, routinely handled with ignorance and insensitivity. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bias-against-conservatives-works-like-any-other-prejudice/2018/04/10/17fa1838-3c40-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7553c61a1641 | ||
Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On April 11 2018 14:20 Wulfey_LA wrote: He is only in the tank because the left VICITMIZED him. Ingraham would know, that Hoggs bully victimized her with her advertisers (you might even say he cuckolded her). I don't know if you have heard, but being a Conservative these days is like being a Jew in Germany in 1939. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bias-against-conservatives-works-like-any-other-prejudice/2018/04/10/17fa1838-3c40-11e8-974f-aacd97698cef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7553c61a1641 That's actually a pretty good article. Not at getting its point across, but it demonstrates how conservatives develop the mindset that they are unfairly targets of persecution despite their immense power and influence. | ||
Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On April 11 2018 15:08 Tachion wrote: That's actually a pretty good article. Not at getting its point across, but it demonstrates how conservatives develop the mindset that they are unfairly targets of persecution despite their immense power and influence. Oh yeah. I am going to be going back to that article over and over again. McCardle re-casts conservatism as an identity, instead of being a set of political beliefs based on some sort of philosophy and/or historical events. Conservatism as an identity instead of a set of beliefs of course works much better with these times. Trump and Jordan Peterson are pushing for a post-fact, identity-first vision of conservatism. Might as well go full victimology-butthurt-whining-mode and beat the transgenders at their own game I guess. EDIT: we are the point where conservative intellectuals (that are paid money for the publishing of their ideas by global tier newspapers) are pushing the idea that 'conservative' is an identity and should be protected from criticism (i.e., microaggressions) just like any other identity in the pantheon of identity politics. | ||
Belisarius
Australia6217 Posts
Assigning yourself and others to groups to simplify friend/enemy dynamics probably predates hitting each other with sticks. There's nothing new there. | ||
Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
On April 11 2018 10:05 KwarK wrote: That's not how it works. The left doesn't have moral high ground over the right because they're leftists. Rather, they're leftists because they have morals. You've got your cause and effect backwards. Unfortunately, a lot of the time these morals express themselves in the real world as a) having a bunch of grandiose ideas everyone else needs to pay for (not very fair, let's be honest) b) telling everyone else what to do my pet peeve with self-identified leftists is that they're seldom productive or pleasant to be around. It's just a funny fact. The chance they will either be young and self absorbed, a frustrated intellectual, someone with a bunch of personality issues or some type of struggling artist is overwhelming Seeing a lazy and / or abrasive person lecture about "muh morals" creates a particular resentment, just like seeing that asshole Peter Schiff pout about his stock gains. Like, with some of these types, you'd expect to find them swimming to Africa to donate their organs or something when you hear them talk, and then when you look at their life it's just a disgtruntled person with an entitlement issue. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States22694 Posts
On April 11 2018 17:24 Kickboxer wrote: Unfortunately, a lot of the time these morals express themselves in the real world as a) having a bunch of grandiose ideas everyone else needs to pay for (not very fair, let's be honest) b) telling everyone else what to do Feel like that's the entire history of conservatism in the US, hell, since the pilgrims. | ||
ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9344 Posts
On April 11 2018 10:05 KwarK wrote: That's not how it works. The left doesn't have moral high ground over the right because they're leftists. Rather, they're leftists because they have morals. You've got your cause and effect backwards. Well I can't work out whether you are just baiting or whether you actually believe this. You never came across as someone who doesn't understand what they are talking about before so I'm going to go with baiting. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17844 Posts
On April 11 2018 17:53 Jockmcplop wrote: Well I can't work out whether you are just baiting or whether you actually believe this. You never came across as someone who doesn't understand what they are talking about before so I'm going to go with baiting. Or maybe he's proclaiming himself to be morally bankrupt as he self-describes his political leaning as right of center ![]() | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21354 Posts
On April 11 2018 12:53 Plansix wrote: I assume there is no some easy legal way to punish someone who recused himself from breaking that?It appears Nunes has gone from removing himself from the investigation to pushing to remove the head of the FBI. https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/983904259392589824 The head of the FBI, a guy who wouldn't have been able to stop this raid even if he wanted to. I expect we will see more of this in the coming days while the leadership of the House and Senate hold a tight grip on what bills can be brought to the floor. Senators are trying to bring bills to the floor to protect the special counsel, but the House and Senate leaders not interested those bills with votes from Democrats. Especially the House. | ||
Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
Let's say, today and now, we have two companies. One has 140 workers, the other has 100 workers and 2 "capitalists", meaning theoretically managers, strategists, networkers (lobbyists), people who can move public attention and product. Which company does better on your average dynamic market across time? If you've identified the second as vastly more efficient, why should a manager not be paid 20 times as much salary as a worker; even if the capital theoretically belonged to everyone? Who is actually creating the added value, and in what ratio? To me the concept of added value is central to any pragmatic moral discussion. If we want to live well, we require value all around us (this keeps on increasing as our standard goes up), and someone has to be creating it so we can keep consuming. Nothing just happens because hippies and flowers. Here's where Ayn Rand, who I see as one of the most toxic intellectuals of our time, was actually spot on. The capitalist's utility in generating real wealth seems to be completely overlooked by many socio-political pundits. | ||
A3th3r
United States319 Posts
I think that the US should develop more business connections with Mexico & exploit the cheap labor & natural resources that are there to stimulate the economy & pick up the slack if there is going to be less trade going on with China than before. In my opinion, Trump is bluffing with these tariffs & is trying to get a better deal with China. That is a reasonable thing to do in the business world but worries people when it is done in the world of politics. | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21354 Posts
On April 11 2018 19:04 A3th3r wrote: Gee if only Trump had been trying to cultivate positive relations with Mexico to make this swing in industry happen instead of repeatedly antagonizing them.I guess I'd say who cares either way what happens to that Trump staffer who may or may not get fired. Here's something that's really important: What country can pick up the slack if there is less trade going on between the US & China? India is slightly less developed than China but does have a lot of cheap labor & raw materials. Same goes for Indonesia. Japan is a "highly developed" country & sells mostly laptops, cell phones, & consumer electronics. They are not the place to go for manufacturing needs. Europe is too expensive in terms of labor costs. Mexico is right next door and already has a few US factories. I think that the US should develop more business connections with Mexico & exploit the cheap labor & natural resources that are there to stimulate the economy & pick up the slack if there is going to be less trade going on with China than before. In my opinion, Trump is bluffing with these tariffs & is trying to get a better deal with China. That is a reasonable thing to do in the business world but worries people when it is done in the world of politics. I would also guess a lot of companies would rather wait it out until the next election and get the tarrifs undone then set up new infrastructure that will take just as long but cost more money. | ||
m4ini
4215 Posts
On April 11 2018 17:53 Jockmcplop wrote: Well I can't work out whether you are just baiting or whether you actually believe this. You never came across as someone who doesn't understand what they are talking about before so I'm going to go with baiting. That's the conclusion i came to, had a decent sized posting already written about how simply untrue the statement is, but i guess there's no point in that. If everything would be so clear cut as philosophy, the world would be easy. Right? | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21354 Posts
On April 11 2018 18:39 Kickboxer wrote: In theory, sure. In practice the numbers don't add up. I don't believe that a CEO makes a company 1000 times more efficient and that a CEO that is payed half is that much worse.Everyone, I have an interesting question. It touches upon what I see as the greatest flaw of Marx, namely not understanding the role played by the capitalist in the labor-capital symbiosis (having since evidently turned out that a planned economy is theoretically impossible, while in capitalism, the products don't simply "sell themselves" nor does the company magically run itself. In addition, many people lack the social and organizational skills to independently operate on the market - or just aren't smart enough, which results in the apparent need for intermediaries and eventually cancer formations like Uber where people bring all the capital to the table but still end up being exploited). Let's say, today and now, we have two companies. One has 140 workers, the other has 100 workers and 2 "capitalists", meaning theoretically managers, strategists, networkers (lobbyists), people who can move public attention and product. Which company does better on your average dynamic market across time? If you've identified the second as vastly more efficient, why should a manager not be paid 20 times as much salary as a worker; even if the capital theoretically belonged to everyone? Who is actually creating the added value, and in what ratio? To me the concept of added value is central to any pragmatic moral discussion. If we want to live well, we require value all around us (this keeps on increasing as our standard goes up), and someone has to be creating it so we can keep consuming. Nothing just happens because hippies and flowers. Here's where Ayn Rand, who I see as one of the most toxic intellectuals of our time, was actually spot on. The capitalist's utility in generating real wealth seems to be completely overlooked by many socio-political pundits. Especially when the company doesn't improve anyway and the expensive CEO bails out before the business takes a dive with a giant severance payment. A big construction company in my country got an expensive outside CEO to help. They then faced an attempted hostile takeover. 6 months after starting the CEO left because "He couldn't take the stress", he will receive a full year of pay and his severance package even tho he himself was the one that quit. its insane. | ||
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