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Zurich15362 Posts
Can we keep this thread about the Munich shooting please.
If you want to discuss something else, open a thread for it.
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On July 25 2016 13:18 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:So why did this guy get banned from steam, does anyone know? Messages on the forums or something?
I had to look up what a VAC ban is but google says it's for cheating. Valve Anti-Cheat-System (VAC)
haven't seen anything about the particular case here though
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Banned 4 times at least on 3 different accounts in counter strike. Probably aim botting or wall hacking? Or just a massive rager who goes on forums etc.
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On July 25 2016 12:48 Plansix wrote:
People who claim they got mugged get the benifit of the doubt. Someone gets beat up, we assume they are not lying. But women and rape are special, apparently.
I tought you were a lawyer or something. I guess you do not practice criminal law. Majority of rape claims are made up by women.
On July 25 2016 11:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 11:56 sharkie wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? The funny thing I know is that if any white person would treat women they way Islam does they'd get total shit of leftists. Not really. There are thousands of rich, white dudes out there that treat women like garbage and get away with it.
I dont know why you guys waste your time responding to these baits by Plansix. Its such an dishonest analogy, im surprised you bit.
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Really I think that if you want to prevent acts of terrorism (which is basically suicide but I'm going to take as many people down with me as possible), then you need people to lead fulfilling lives in the first place.
Now, what leads to happy people? You tell me. As far as I know all of these people (from Orlando, to Nice, to Munich, mother and children stabber in Alps) led relatively normal lives. Both France and Germany were fair (heck, the child stabber was on vacation in the Alps: paid by French taxpayers) to these people.
So where did we go wrong? If it's not us, then it's them. In which case the question is, what's wrong with those people in the first place?
To say "we can't do anything about all of this" is fallacy and weak, in my eyes.
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On July 25 2016 13:18 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:So why did this guy get banned from steam, does anyone know? Messages on the forums or something?
He has been cheating/using hacks.
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On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right?
Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid.
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On July 25 2016 17:32 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right? Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid.
Well that's not what phobia means in this context, and you know that, don't you? The term may not be very accurate (similarly to 'homophobia'), but as long as we haven't defined other terms we are going to have to stick to words that exist.
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Guys would you agree if I made a new thread where we discuss terrorist attacks? There's a new alarm in London too :/
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On July 25 2016 17:45 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 17:32 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right? Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid. Well that's not what phobia means in this context, and you know that, don't you? The term may not be very accurate (similarly to 'homophobia'), but as long as we haven't defined other terms we are going to have to stick to words that exist.
Did not expect to be called out like that.... Chapeau. Still, my point (and yours,too) was, throwing around words with somewhat undefined meanings (correctness, phobia) doesn't get us anywhere. People tend to have different opinions (and that is a good thing IMO) and different views.
We should definitely open a new thread since the discussions always boil down to pretty much the same conclusions or lack there of
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On July 25 2016 18:17 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 17:45 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 17:32 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right? Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid. Well that's not what phobia means in this context, and you know that, don't you? The term may not be very accurate (similarly to 'homophobia'), but as long as we haven't defined other terms we are going to have to stick to words that exist. Did not expect to be called out like that.... Chapeau. Still, my point (and yours,too) was, throwing around words with somewhat undefined meanings (correctness, phobia) doesn't get us anywhere. People tend to have different opinions (and that is a good thing IMO) and different views. We should definitely open a new thread since the discussions always boil down to pretty much the same conclusions or lack there of
But first lets make a thread where we will reach an agreement what each of term we are going to use in the next thread means.
The reason throwing out words "with somewhat undefined meanings isn't getting us anywhere" is because we have guys like him derailling the topics in a direction he feels is very important but the rest of us had no problem understanding what the other person is trying to say when using those nasty words.
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On July 25 2016 18:34 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 18:17 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 17:45 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 17:32 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right? Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid. Well that's not what phobia means in this context, and you know that, don't you? The term may not be very accurate (similarly to 'homophobia'), but as long as we haven't defined other terms we are going to have to stick to words that exist. Did not expect to be called out like that.... Chapeau. Still, my point (and yours,too) was, throwing around words with somewhat undefined meanings (correctness, phobia) doesn't get us anywhere. People tend to have different opinions (and that is a good thing IMO) and different views. We should definitely open a new thread since the discussions always boil down to pretty much the same conclusions or lack there of But first lets make a thread where we will reach an agreement what each of term we are going to use in the next thread means. The reason throwing out words "with somewhat undefined meanings isn't getting us anywhere" is because we have guys like him derailling the topics in a direction he feels is very important but the rest of us had no problem understanding what the other person is trying to say when using those nasty words.
I really don't see how I did that at all, please illustrate.
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On July 25 2016 17:32 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right? Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid.
Phobias are irrational. The fear is not based on real potential danger.
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On July 25 2016 18:43 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 18:34 NukeD wrote:On July 25 2016 18:17 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 17:45 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 17:32 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right? Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid. Well that's not what phobia means in this context, and you know that, don't you? The term may not be very accurate (similarly to 'homophobia'), but as long as we haven't defined other terms we are going to have to stick to words that exist. Did not expect to be called out like that.... Chapeau. Still, my point (and yours,too) was, throwing around words with somewhat undefined meanings (correctness, phobia) doesn't get us anywhere. People tend to have different opinions (and that is a good thing IMO) and different views. We should definitely open a new thread since the discussions always boil down to pretty much the same conclusions or lack there of But first lets make a thread where we will reach an agreement what each of term we are going to use in the next thread means. The reason throwing out words "with somewhat undefined meanings isn't getting us anywhere" is because we have guys like him derailling the topics in a direction he feels is very important but the rest of us had no problem understanding what the other person is trying to say when using those nasty words. I really don't see how I did that at all, please illustrate.
I do not understand, when you say illustrate, do you mean you want me to draw something or to write out an explanation?
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On July 25 2016 20:11 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 18:43 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 18:34 NukeD wrote:On July 25 2016 18:17 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 17:45 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 17:32 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right? Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid. Well that's not what phobia means in this context, and you know that, don't you? The term may not be very accurate (similarly to 'homophobia'), but as long as we haven't defined other terms we are going to have to stick to words that exist. Did not expect to be called out like that.... Chapeau. Still, my point (and yours,too) was, throwing around words with somewhat undefined meanings (correctness, phobia) doesn't get us anywhere. People tend to have different opinions (and that is a good thing IMO) and different views. We should definitely open a new thread since the discussions always boil down to pretty much the same conclusions or lack there of But first lets make a thread where we will reach an agreement what each of term we are going to use in the next thread means. The reason throwing out words "with somewhat undefined meanings isn't getting us anywhere" is because we have guys like him derailling the topics in a direction he feels is very important but the rest of us had no problem understanding what the other person is trying to say when using those nasty words. I really don't see how I did that at all, please illustrate. I do not understand, when you say illustrate, do you mean you want me to draw something or to write out an explanation?
I understood your accusation, smart man. I don't see how it applies to what I wrote. I see how it applies to what you wrote there though, so congratulations.
(Anyway we should take this to PM)
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On July 25 2016 19:01 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 17:32 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right? Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid. Phobias are irrational. The fear is not based on real potential danger.
Now that you mention that, makes sense. Although, and this is just my superficial knowledge, arent't a lot of those phobias based on some traumatic event that did in fact present real danger? Like, if your were bitten by a dog as a kid and are now afraid pf dogs and such?
To topic: A friend of the asshole knew about what he wanted to do. They both befriended each other in a mental health institute. It was known that he hated people and admired Anders Breivik. They even met shortly before in the shopping center
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On July 25 2016 20:49 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 19:01 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2016 17:32 Harris1st wrote:On July 25 2016 11:06 Nebuchad wrote:On July 25 2016 08:55 Shield wrote:
I think we've got a bigger problem than terrorism. It's politically correct left wingers who say it's "racist" or "islamophobic" not to want muslims in Europe. Guess what. Islam isn't compatible with foundations of democracy, women's rights, etc, so stop pretending the world is perfect and we can all live happily together. This isn't a fairytale. There are people who die for no reason just because some mad muslim decided so. Some of you will say Breivik? Yeah, what's the ratio of Breivik and fans to that of muslim terrorists? Here are my problems with your post: 1. No, people disagreeing with you politically about what to do with terrorism is not a bigger problem than terrorism. 2. Saying "we don't want muslims in Europe" is by definition "islamophobic". This isn't political correctness, this is just basic reading comprehension. 3. What you're trying to say is "islamophobia is justified", but you don't want to say it directly, so you're going on about "political correctness". Political correctness has never been a problem ever. The problem is being logically wrong while politically correct. 4. If at some point we establish that the problem is indeed being logically wrong rather than being politically correct, are you okay with taking a ride with me at that point and seeing which one of us is logically right? Doesn't a phobia just mean "afraid of something/ someone/ somewhat"? I feel "islamophobia" is pretty darn accurate because ppl are freaking afraid. Phobias are irrational. The fear is not based on real potential danger. Now that you mention that, makes sense. Although, and this is just my superficial knowledge, arent't a lot of those phobias based on some traumatic event that did in fact present real danger? Like, if your were bitten by a dog as a kid and are now afraid pf dogs and such? To topic: A friend of the asshole knew about what he wanted to do. They both befriended each other in a mental health institute. It was known that he hated people and admired Anders Breivik. They even met shortly before in the shopping center
Some people are afraid of snakes, no matter the size or danger. I have a weird phobia of large objects in water that is 100% irrational. The idea of a submarine or whale in the water when I was triggers some weird fear response in my brain that has no rational basis. Logically I would know I was in no danger, but my lizard brain in freaking the fuck out. It is a phobia and it has no basis in reality as far as I can tell. It might be do to the lack of viability, but I don't have the problem in fog.
Cultural phobias are similar. You are read stories from people who start to get worried because a Muslim person is riding on the plane with them. The more self aware ones know that it is irrational, because that person has given them no reason to be fearful.
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what if said person knows how to do maths on a plane? That surely is more than enough reason to be scared!
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0% surprise considering it was a suicide bomber but:
Bomber was an ISIS affiliate - pledged allegiance to ISIS
Kremlin Propaganda Network
The attacker who left a bomb outside a bar in Ansbach, Germany, had enough materials to make another explosive device, according to police. The man also pledged allegiance to Islamic State in a video found on his phone.
The attacker, identified as Mohammad D., possessed gasoline, chemicals, and other material that could be used to make a bomb, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Hermann said, as cited by AP.
The attacker had also pledged allegiance to Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on one of his phones.
"A provisional translation by an interpreter shows that he expressly announces, in the name of Allah, and testifying his allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a famous Islamist leader, an act of revenge against the Germans because they're getting in the way of Islam," Hermann said at a news conference.
"I think that after this video there's no doubt that the attack was a terrorist attack with an Islamist background," he added.
Despite his failed bombing attempt, they found a lot of nails etc found in the area to be used as shrapnel which of course is to increase the amount of damage caused.
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A witness who was in the McDonald's restaurant said her son was in the bathroom with the gunman.
"That's where he loaded his weapon," said Lauretta, who only wanted to be identified by her first name.
She said she saw many young casualties.
"I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom ... and he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can't run."
Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or "God is great" in Arabic.
"I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry," she said.
Witness Huseyin Bayri said he was riding his bike outside the restaurant when he saw the attacker yelling.
"I heard a scream at first: 'You shitty ... foreigners. I am German. You will get it,'" Bayri said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/23/europe/germany-munich-shooting/
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