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WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
April 13 2016 08:58 GMT
#41
On April 13 2016 10:32 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I also think this whole discussion does not give nearly the appropriate amount of credit to the players that get early access. Most players that have a reputation for hard work and skill in similar games will be able to get access. They have put years into developing those skillsets, similar to how that was the case for SC1/SC2. Your new talent from Overwatch that plays itself to the top throughout the years will be able to do the same if they ever decide to transition into something else.


I think this discussion has to do a lot with the fact that Alpha's and Beta's are much more known and viewable nowadays.

The top players of games always have been invited to Alpha's and Beta's (as you know), yet most of the time we had to sign strict NDA's, where streaming (didn't really exist yet), screenshots, publicly talking about it, previews, reviews were all banned. Most Alpha's consisted of a few hundred players maximum. Depending no the developer, Beta's were much less strict and most of the time a chunk bigger.

Forward to 2016 and we see Beta's getting 1000's of players (Hearthstone, Sc2, Dota), including streams, previews etc.
In contrast to how a Beta used to be, the Beta's we have now, are 99% of the final product itself and they are becoming some sort of advertisement/balance mechanic.
Hell, even payment methods are available in most Beta's, which still amazes me to this day...

Long story short, the way games are produced has changed and Alpha's & Beta's are different from what they used to be, with things like Twitch.
I went back in memory lane (my hotmail account) and quickly found lines like this :
"This Beta test is still under strict NDA. Please do not discuss it outside of our Private Beta Forums"
"This NDA implies that the test pilot may not hand out such confidential information to any third party, such as private individuals, companies, authorities and organizations i.e. to friends, to magazines or YouTube. This agreement applies one year from the day of signing."

There's a reason why these ex-TF2 players are all monsters at OW, and I can tell you it is not because they had early access.


The same reason that ex-TF2 players will be monsters at OW, even without early access.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-13 11:37:45
April 13 2016 11:30 GMT
#42
On April 13 2016 10:32 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I also think this whole discussion does not give nearly the appropriate amount of credit to the players that get early access. Most players that have a reputation for hard work and skill in similar games will be able to get access. They have put years into developing those skillsets, similar to how that was the case for SC1/SC2. Your new talent from Overwatch that plays itself to the top throughout the years will be able to do the same if they ever decide to transition into something else. There's a reason why these ex-TF2 players are all monsters at OW, and I can tell you it is not because they had early access.


I think what the OP is focusing on is the fact that there's a pool of pro talent out there, and those with contacts to Blizzard have a massive advantage because they get into the Beta earlier(and for some - at all. Especially unknown EU players pretty much don't get beta access unless they're terribly lucky). It's more of a criticism towards Blizzard's beta policy.
If you are part of the newcomer pro talent out there but have no contact to Blizzard, the chances of you getting pro is lower than those with months of access already.
This also results in NA essentially having a headstart, due to them having an advantage in the whole beta process by Blizzard.

You are still right. Many players have proven themselves way before they got early access, and they deserve it. But do you think that automatically means they would have been ahead of the curve to the same degree had they started at the release of the game? They still benefit from the fact that they got access before anyone else did. They might not benefit as much - because the majority of their skill translates over to the game - but it's still an advantage making it even worse for new talent to catch up.

But as you said, you as a progaming team can't really wait and you want to be on top of things. And while the premise of eSports is that everyone is on equal footing, you can't not take advantage of these players that show promise to you. Thats perfectly understandable and nothing you have to excuse yourself for.

In fact, I think the open letter is directed at the wrong company. It's not Liquid that should be criticized for this, it's Blizzard.
The solution to the problem isn't anything that pro teams can do. Because it boils down to Blizzard opening the beta process and giving everyone a fair chance.

eScapegoat100
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada71 Posts
April 14 2016 19:06 GMT
#43
Sorry Nazgul, I didn't mean to imply that you had done anything wrong. I wasn't criticizing the fact that you have picked a team. I think it's great that Liquid has a team and that will likely give the pro scene a good jump-start. I was just trying to explain what I felt the OP was complaining about.

What I really was criticizing was the mindset of gamers. I don't want to hold myself aloof - I think many of the same things. Life isn't fair and neither is the gaming industry - we just need to man up and get over it. People like people that they know (duh). Of course the established pros are going to get into the first teams in Overwatch. This isn't something that we should react negatively against, even if it feels in your gut like a window of opportunity is closing.

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