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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:36 KwarK wrote: It's not definite that it was ISIS as opposed to random homegrown Muslim terrorists. ISIS would take credit for a stranger's fart in an elevator. They love social media. We'll see later on if they planned it or if it was domestic French fanboys. We'll also get to see if that difference matters at all. It'd be much easier to drop bombs on Syria than France, much more convenient to have an enemy abroad than at home. That's what i'm thinking. Metrojet crash was claimed basically immediately, this up to this point wasn't. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9299 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:37 m4ini wrote: That's what i'm thinking. Metrojet crash was claimed basically immediately, this up to this point wasn't. Yeah, the coordination suggests otherwise for me, but it's not like i'd believe IS on their word. The next couple of days should give more clarification on that. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:38 Sent. wrote: I hate how media keep blaming ISIS for all muslim terrorist attacks across the world. Its not like there is a big bad guy in some secret base in Syria who gives orders to all terrorists. This is exactly how it was with al-Qaeda, the media seemed to believe that the original group from Afghanistan was plotting almost every terrorist attack in Iraq. | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
God damn it man... | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
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A few take-away messages: - This was the worst night for France since the great wars, and will change the country forever. - This laid bare the failings of French security services in ways that raise global questions, especially as these attacks closely follow Charlie Hebdo. - If the arrested terrorist's claims are verified, this marks the first confirmed ISIS operation outside of the ME (the sinai plane bombing might qualify but we know very little about that too). - Despite the horror, the French and international reaction via opening doors to strangers, taxi drivers working for free, unified international condemnation has shown that the worst of times bring about the best in people. - Despite the above, the biggest winner of the night is Le Pen who's far right ideology is probably going to propel her to a presidency. - Immigrants and refugees will needlessly suffer even more because of this, despite 99.99% of them being entirely innocent of these crimes. - Nothing stops a game of football. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:36 KwarK wrote: It's not definite that it was ISIS as opposed to random homegrown Muslim terrorists. ISIS would take credit for a stranger's fart in an elevator. They love social media. We'll see later on if they planned it or if it was domestic French fanboys. We'll also get to see if that difference matters at all. It'd be much easier to drop bombs on Syria than France, much more convenient to have an enemy abroad than at home. Whats the difference between a random french ISIS fanboy killing in their name and a ISIS member from wherever else killing in their name? I don't see one. Both are ISIS. Whether the main group planned this or not, if the attackers support ISIS, it is an ISIS attack. | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:39 Ghanburighan wrote: Looks like the worst is over, I hope. A few take-away messages: - This was the worst night for France since the great wars, and will change the country forever. - This laid bare the failings of French security services in ways that raise global questions, especially as these attacks closely follow Charlie Hebdo. - If the arrested terrorist's claims are verified, this marks the first confirmed ISIS operation outside of the ME (the sinai plane bombing might qualify but we know very little about that too). - Despite the horror, the French and international reaction via opening doors to strangers, taxi drivers working for free, unified international condemnation has shown that the worst of times bring about the best in people. - Despite the above, the biggest winner of the night is Le Pen who's far right ideology is probably going to propel her to a presidency. - Immigrants and refugees will needlessly suffer even more because of this, despite 99.99% of them being entirely innocent of these crimes. - Nothing stops a game of football. Much truth in that last statement ^^ | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:35 ref4 wrote: so what are the fractions? French government vs. Shia extremists vs. Sunni extremists vs ISIS agents? this is a civil war the terrorist are french who have different belief the images i'm watching are irrealistic, you have military people at every corner of the street, this is a state of war | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:39 Orcasgt24 wrote: Whats the difference between a random french ISIS fanboy killing in their name and a ISIS member from wherever else killing in their name? I don't see one. Both are ISIS. Whether the main group planned this or not, if the attackers support ISIS, it is an ISIS attack. Because going after ISIS won't solve the problem, the same reason going after Al Qaida didn't stop the terrorism either. There is a deeper root to the terrorist problem and I'm leaning towards an internal problem within France and other Western European countries. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
I don't see one. Both are ISIS. Whether the main group planned this or not, if the attackers support ISIS, it is an ISIS attack. One key difference: one is a group entirely acting on its own, the other one is ISIS actually acting globally now. If it's a local group, not much else will follow. If it was staged by ISIS, you bet that more will follow. | ||
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SkrollK
France580 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:42 Ysellian wrote: Because going after ISIS won't solve the problem, the same reason going after Al Qaida didn't stop the terrorism either. There is a deeper root to the terrorist problem and I'm leaning towards an internal problem within France. Did you Just called for a religion derailing thread ?! | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:41 Makro wrote: this is a civil war the terrorist are french who have different belief the images i'm watching are irrealistic, you have military people at every corner of the street, this is a state of war A handful of people doesn't make it a civil war. This is terrorism, nothing more. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18637 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:42 Ysellian wrote: Because going after ISIS won't solve the problem, the same reason going after Al Qaida didn't stop the terrorism either. There is a deeper root to the terrorist problem and I'm leaning towards an internal problem within France and other Western European countries. Right, Western Europe is the problem that's why everyone is running to us right? | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:33 Yuljan wrote: ISIS would be a start after that Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states who provide the financial support. Nato will never bomb Saudi Arabia they are american allies.. and very important economically and geopolitically. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
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