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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:23 caelym wrote: Earlier I was reading 100 hostages in Bataclan, now I'm seeing 100 dead in Bataclan. Did the raid completely fail? Not necessarily. The people might've been dead already, it was reported from a person on first floor that they're shooting people one by one. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:23 caelym wrote: Earlier I was reading 100 hostages in Bataclan, now I'm seeing 100 dead in Bataclan. Did the raid completely fail? There were 1500 people in the Bataclan, the raid worked : the guy even used grenades to kill hostages. It's a civil war. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
The attacks were similar to the Mumbai attacks in '08, and demonstrated an uncomfortable level of planning. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:23 caelym wrote: Earlier I was reading 100 hostages in Bataclan, now I'm seeing 100 dead in Bataclan. Did the raid completely fail? Sounds like it was not a real hostage taking, more like a mass execution. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:25 Kipsate wrote: The concert hall sits over 1500 people if I remember correctly so its doubtful that the raid ''failed'' But all apart from 100 people were able to flee, as i understood it? | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:25 OzVelas wrote: 200+ dead in paris source? News stream is still saying that 100 is unconfirmed | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:26 m4ini wrote: But all apart from 100 people were able to flee, as i understood it? don't know yet, they probably did a rough count, tons of injured too probably. | ||
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aXa
France748 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:26 m4ini wrote: But all apart from 100 people were able to flee, as i understood it? It is not yet known how many people were at the concert in total. Probably a few hundreds. We will not know the real tally of casualties before a while. President is now heading to the concert hall | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:26 m4ini wrote: But all apart from 100 people were able to flee, as i understood it? No official counts are confirmed yet anyway. Don't really know how many were in and how many died. Bataclan can hold 1500 person, it does not mean there was 1500. | ||
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KwarK
United States44214 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:22 oBlade wrote: You're not going to find many people who, if you actually ask them in your own idealistic terms, think that someone's life doesn't have value or that some people are less than human. What people who disagree with you think is more aligned with the real world. That as promising as life looks for all the people wanting residency in Europe, it's not really practical for parts of Europe to handle so many Syrian refugees the way that they're trying now. That such efforts ultimately hurt both sides. It's an objection on the grounds of the reality circumstances right now, and you want to refute it by appealing to a utopian principle. You do what you can. Europe may have overreached, it may not have, we'll see in time. We'll most likely also find out tomorrow whether this was a domestic attack or one committed as a result of the refugee crisis. But I reject absolutely the idea that principles disappear when the stakes are high. You do what you can and when you can't do much you don't do much and when, for practical reasons, you can't do what you'd like to you still remember what you'd like to do and you remember that you've fallen short of that. I'm not an advocate of sinking the lifeboat by trying to save it over capacity. I'm an advocate of making damn sure every seat is filled and remembering the value of those left to drown. | ||
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Yuljan
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:27 Kipsate wrote: don't know yet, they probably did a rough count, tons of injured too probably. Yeah, my point was though, there were nowhere near 1500 people in the hall when the raid started. Like, maybe a tenth of that. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:23 DickMcFanny wrote: I actually got warned for assuming this was Muslim terrorism. This is absurd. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:25 Boucot wrote: Sounds like it was not a real hostage taking, more like a mass execution. A Radio reporter in the hall at the time said 4 guys with AKs walked in and just started spraying at the crowd. Hostage taking was never the plan. 100 dead is probably a low estimate if that's what they did. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:25 WhiteDog wrote: There were 1500 people in the Bataclan, the raid worked : the guy even used grenades to kill hostages. It's a civil war. civil war is an understatement, people don't realize that you have thousands of people in france that want to do the same the civil war has started and no one want to admit it if you have your whole military that is in the street something is wrong | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On November 14 2015 09:28 Yuljan wrote: Well I hope France calls for Nato as the US did after 9.11. What the fuck are you on about? Calling the NATO against whom? The French population? | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
Although I would have guessed the same beforehand, please don't turn this into a debate on moderations, there's a better time and place for that. | ||
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