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On April 02 2021 08:41 JimmiC wrote:
Corruption is not a mistake, it is a choice to enrich oneself at the expense of others.
all the economic immigrants i know ( me and my family among them ) care more about future opportunities rather than a very underpaid world leader, the sitting PM, skimming a microscopic fraction of the country's GDP off the top.
it's sad going into the same tim horton's i visited 5 years ago and seeing hte same people at the same minimum wage jobs. when i was a teenager you worked retail for 4 years max and moved on to bigger and better things as fast as possible. Sadly, for an increasing percentage of Canadians ... a minimum wage job is a way of life.
I'd trade the level of opportunity offered to the average Canadian in 2005 and a little corruption over what we have today.
btw, the elite still have opportunities...
https://uwaterloo.ca/co-operative-education/about-co-op/co-op-earnings
i'd just like to see the average canadian have the same reasonable shot at success they did from 1965 to 2008. Unfortunately, I do not see anyone with a reasonable shot at becoming PM of Canada and/or Premier of Ontario who can bring Canada back to greatness. Do you?
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This is fantastic news... i hope their projections end up being true.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/imf-upgrades-canada-s-2021-growth-outlook-by-most-among-advanced-economies-1.1586606
Go Canada Go!
On March 31 2021 09:16 JimmiC wrote:
There are worse leaders, but acting like he was not incredibly flawed, dishonest and self interested and so on is historically innacurate.
Great people working in jobs with enormous scope have their flaws exposed because they get so much done in giant, important roles. When I was 18 I was 1000X more flawed than Jean Chretien. I was a student with a part time job. My flaws got exposed to almost no one.
There is nothing wrong with long term rational self interest. Hedonistic range-of-the-moment self indulgence is another matter entirely.
I can only speak with any level of expertise within the IT/Analytics industry. Students at community colleges taking fairly straightforward 3 year diplomas got amazing opportunities during the Chretien/Mulroney era. Today, you pretty much have to go to the University of Waterloo to get great opportunities. Life at U of W is a meat grinder of an existence man.
I'd just like the average Canadian to possess a reasonable chance of economic success. Chretien, Mulroney and P.E.T. made that possible. So far, Justin Trudeau fails in that area. It is not over for Justin yet... I hope the Liberals can succeed with the economy as they have in several previous decades. However, I don't see much evidence that will happen.
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Yay, election day again. Though judging from how dead the thread has been since I last posted, I get the impression the voter apathy or lack of interest in this election has set in among the TL Canadians.
General gist is the Liberals started strong, expecting to coast to a majority government off their COVID response. Then they ceded a lot of ground to the Conservatives who ran on a message on fiscal control, reining in cost of living, cleaning up Ottawa and blasting the $600 million snap election call. But in the past week or so we've seen the Liberals gain back some support in polling, usually tied in aggregators. The NDP has a chance to gain some seats. The PPC is one of the big stories of the election, surging past the 1.62% of the popular vote in 2019 to around 6% now in polling, though unlikely to win a seat. The BQ could be the biggest hinderance for a Liberal majority.
Expectation is for a Liberal minority and a fairly unchanged parliament, though with the pandemic possibly affecting turnout and lines, who knows. In an election where people seem pretty annoyed or angered by the decision to call it, even among Liberals, will they really want to wait in lines for 2-3 hours to vote?
Expect a good idea of where the election goes around 9:30 p.m. ET when Atlantic Canada logs in pretty much every seat and Ontario and Quebec start reporting numbers.
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Yeah.. not much interest in the Canadian election tbh. I voted in a riding which is 99% Liberal, so I threw my vote at the NDP. Not much strategic voting here, but as my social studies teacher said in high school, the only reason you can bitch at government is if you voted. If you didn't vote, and government doesn't do what you wanted, you should just shut up.
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Got my vote in this morning, Really happy to have a chance to vote against justin but im my area its either liberal or NDP with litearlly 0 chance another party wins this riding but still felt good!
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I went during early voting to try to avoid a longer wait time due to covid, still ended up in line for 45~ minutes. It usually would have taken 10-15 based on the amount of people ahead of me but overall it still wasn't that bad. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to see the long lines and wait times and just not bother though which is unfortunate.
edit: I should also add a problem which popped up that significantly increased my wait time was the ballot book wasn't cleanly separating the ballot from the book which resulted in a ton of spoiled ballots that couldn't be used. Hopefully it was just a defect in that batch given to my polling station lol
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Got in and out of the polling station in five minutes, probably less. This is one of the denser ridings in terms of population but there were very sparse lines, maybe eight voters in the room at the time. Either a sign of low turnout and enthusiasm; high number of people who voted early; I hit the lines before they got clogged as I was there around 5:30 p.m.
Anyways, on to the election calls in a few hours.
Atlantic Canada looking not ideal for the Liberals. They've lost at least two seats to the Conservatives and lost Bernadette Jordan, Minister of Fisheries. Conservatives gained five seats overall in the region from every other party. Must be making them worried about the rest of Canada at this rate.
CTV calls it for the Liberals already, no decision on majority or minority.
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CBC and CTV call a Liberal government, but nothing conclusive on minority or majority. Appears very unlikely for a majority though.
CTV says minority.
Bernier loses his Beauce race. Annamie Paul currently in fourth in her own riding. Monsef, a cabinet minister in the bellwether Peterborough riding is set to lose to the Conservative.
Aaaand the election looks like nothing really changed in the make-up of the HoC. Interesting that the GTA looks like it turns even redder. Remember that O'Toole argued that he could win over the GTA during the leadership race, but that gambit appears to have miserably failed. CBC reporter points to Ontario as a place where the PPC might have cost the Conservatives some very close seats.
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So how can he still be the PM if he doesn't have a majority?
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He has lots of options. With +150 and two third parties +20, he can go to either the BQ or the NDP to get his bills past and skip the Conservatives. In contrast the Conservatives would have to gather together both the BQ and the NDP to form government (and only after Trudeau failed to form government). A three party unofficial coalition is very unlikely and a very unstable relationship.
Bah. I didn't like this election at all. I kind a felt like I was voting for a not-Trudeau Liberal party with no good actual conservative option. But for all that, despite O'Toole's swing for the left, nothing really changed- same boogeyman rhetoric from the left parties and then a bunch of our right support dropped off the back. I still want Trudeau to pay for his broken promises on electoral reform and SNC-Lavelin corruption, but Teflon-Trudeau trucks on.
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Ya gonna second the colossal waste of money.
My takeaway is i'm glad the PPC got more votes then they did last time, sadly they didn't win a seat but that was very unlikely anyways. Green party leader didn't do so well she'll likely step down but they did manage to grab a couple seats. I guess the bloc did pretty good all things considered and likely took seats from liberals and cons. It's a pretty crazy thing for all this to end up almost back where we started.
I thought I heard someone say that we'll have another one in 2 years, is that correct? does it have to do with calling a snap election and then not winning a majority or something like that?
Ahh well
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I’ve seen a well-liked comment on Reddit mention how it wasn’t a complete waste of money as most of the $600 million dollars went to poll workers. But I agree that it seems like an almost pointless exercise of Democracy at work.
I voted NDP. Due to FPTP and being in a Conservative part of BC, it does feel as though my vote was wasted. Oh well. At least it contributed to the popular vote count and the NDP (along with the Bloc) are still in a good ‘controlling the balance of power’ situation.
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So if the Military will not be clearing out protesters, then what happens if said protesters turn violent? I ask that because apparently some vehicles that were searched had weapons etc.
Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act Monday, something that has never been done since the Act was first introduced in 1988.
"This is not a peaceful protest," Trudeau said of the occupation in Ottawa, as well as blockades at border crossings seen in recent days.
The prime minister promised the powers granted by the Act would be "time limited, geographically targeted, as well as reasonable and proportionate," and would be used to support local law enforcement. It would also give the RCMP the power to enforce local bylaws and provincial offences.
"We are not using the Emergencies Act to call in the military. We are not suspending fundamental rights or overriding the Charter of Rights and Freedoms," Trudeau said.
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I wonder if one threat that could be used was that the sharing of the identities of the arrested protestors would be shared with the American government due to the damage done to both countries. Biden made the offer of using Homeland security to help but I really doubt that was taken seriously by Canada.
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On February 15 2022 07:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:So if the Military will not be clearing out protesters, then what happens if said protesters turn violent? I ask that because apparently some vehicles that were searched had weapons etc. Show nested quote +Trudeau invoked the Emergencies Act Monday, something that has never been done since the Act was first introduced in 1988.
"This is not a peaceful protest," Trudeau said of the occupation in Ottawa, as well as blockades at border crossings seen in recent days.
The prime minister promised the powers granted by the Act would be "time limited, geographically targeted, as well as reasonable and proportionate," and would be used to support local law enforcement. It would also give the RCMP the power to enforce local bylaws and provincial offences.
"We are not using the Emergencies Act to call in the military. We are not suspending fundamental rights or overriding the Charter of Rights and Freedoms," Trudeau said.
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in your source it states deals have already been made.
Also this,
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ottawa-mayor-says-deal-with-convoy-protesters-could-clear-residential/
Justin Trudeau waits for the mayors of Toronto and Ottawa to do all the heavy lifting and then when its almost completely over he swoops in and "solves the problem" by invoking the emergency measures act. LOL.
I thought Toronto Mayor John Torey and the Toronto Police did a nice job of dealing with the truckers in Toronto. Torey dangled the carrot.. the cops wielded the stick. I was in downtown TO the past two weekends. I thought the way the Toronto police cordoned off the downtown core was a good preventative strat.
I heard lots of yapping about how violent things were going to get in Toronto and it never happened. The opponents of the Truckers and the media had all these dire predictions. All I saw in Toronto was cops at check points relaxing and eating donuts. It was a paid day off for the cops.
Its been a bad two weeks for the hard left wing ideologues in Toronto. They predicted the evil truckers were going to destroy the city. When it didn't happen the Toronto Police got a pat on the back for doing a great job preventing anything from erupting.
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