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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 19 2019 21:51 GMT
#1121
Every time you post like this you remind me of my bigoted aunt that my family all have unfollowed on Facebook, minus the Minions memes. The rhetorical, leading questions surrounding the shitty youtube video has been a real boon to the market place of ideas.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-19 21:56:46
March 19 2019 21:56 GMT
#1122
yeah how that is evidence of anything other than douchey behaviour irrespective of gender is beyond me.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-19 22:02:34
March 19 2019 21:56 GMT
#1123
The complete lack of ability to answer straightforward questions has done far more damage to the discourse. A leading question? Of course, what's wrong with a leading question? All conversations have leading questions because no conversation is just one paragraph or two of the 'correct' opinion. You must stand for your ideas and see them put into practice. Does the person in that video belong in a women's shelter if "she" says she has been raped.

Yes or no.

On March 20 2019 06:56 Rebs wrote:
yeah how that is evidence of anything other than douchey behaviour irrespective of gender is beyond me.


Because a trans "woman" is far more likely to be have those male patterns of aggression than a common female. Despite the narrative that all people are equal and blank slates it's very clear there is a biological imprint on each and every person. These are indicative in the differences between men and women. Personality traits such as agreeableness, conscientiousness, neuroticism, etc. The biggest difference we know of being that men are more interested in things and women are more interested in people.

Should rape shelters be allowed to discriminate based on personality traits then instead, such as aggressiveness? Is any form of discrimination allowed. And if not, why can't men enter that same shelter instead?
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-19 22:27:26
March 19 2019 22:04 GMT
#1124
Because your leading question does nothing to explore the issue of whether transgenders belong in a specific environment.

Its a bullshit question that deflects to an individuals behavior and appeals to the fact that this person by virtue of their behavior and not their gender doesn't belong in a shelter.

So to your video. No that person doesn't belong in a shelter, or an asylum. Not based on a video clip anyway.

To answer your question. Had she been raped. Yes. This is not a controversial question to answer.

The problem is that your leading question made in bad faith does nothing to promote reasonable discourse.

Its like me posting if you took a video of the NZ shooter and said all white people are mass shooters that should be in jail. Its patently ridiculous and ignores all nuance.


Edit:

On March 20 2019 06:56 SK.Testie wrote:
The complete lack of ability to answer straightforward questions has done far more damage to the discourse. A leading question? Of course, what's wrong with a leading question? All conversations have leading questions because no conversation is just one paragraph or two of the 'correct' opinion. You must stand for your ideas and see them put into practice. Does the person in that video belong in a women's shelter if "she" says she has been raped.

Yes or no.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2019 06:56 Rebs wrote:
yeah how that is evidence of anything other than douchey behaviour irrespective of gender is beyond me.


Because a trans "woman" is far more likely to be have those male patterns of aggression than a common female. Despite the narrative that all people are equal and blank slates it's very clear there is a biological imprint on each and every person. These are indicative in the differences between men and women. Personality traits such as agreeableness, conscientiousness, neuroticism, etc. The biggest difference we know of being that men are more interested in things and women are more interested in people.

Should rape shelters be allowed to discriminate based on personality traits then instead, such as aggressiveness? Is any form of discrimination allowed. And if not, why can't men enter that same shelter instead?



This is at least something. Id like to see more evidence of these claims other than some slapshod self serving research, article or as is in this case your opinion backed by the irrefutable evidence of a single youtube video that a trans women are more likely to be aggressive, coz hormones.

Im more interested in people than things and extremely agreeble to a fault in my routine life Does that make me a women then ? Is that what the benchmark is?

So no personality traits is not really a metric. Its pretty simple. Self identify as a women, have a clearly demonstrable history of having done so and suffered for it. Its not like these cases are complicated. Most trans individuals seeking help are sex workers or disenfranchised in some way.

There is plenty of room for judgement and thats what the people running the shelter should be responsible for identifying, these places are built on a basic premise of empathy and support for a certain type of situation. Simply saying YES or NO is wrong.

I mean hell man, if a third world country with a culture that is in many ways reprehensible can do it. I am sure Canadians can.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/09/609700652/pakistan-passes-historic-transgender-rights-bill

Yes they go to womens shelters. Whatever passable NGO is managing them anyway. My friend runs one, Its not exactly a space brimming with funding, + Show Spoiler +
she gets no public funding and is basically running it out of her wealthy families coffers and whatever her wealthy friends support her with.
in poor countries and the people managing them exercise their discretion. Again the basis is empathy and understanding.

Not some clearly defined line of, "has a dick? and theres a youtube video of a raging transgender ? NOPE, none of that in my shelter."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-19 22:11:14
March 19 2019 22:09 GMT
#1125
On March 20 2019 06:56 SK.Testie wrote:
The complete lack of ability to answer straightforward questions has done far more damage to the discourse. A leading question? Of course, what's wrong with a leading question? All conversations have leading questions because no conversation is just one paragraph or two of the 'correct' opinion. You must stand for your ideas and see them put into practice. Does the person in that video belong in a women's shelter if "she" says she has been raped.

Yes or no.


There is no discourse here. You are a bad faith actor who is attempting to extract effort out of others in the discussion through your low effort posting and use of a youtube video to make a substantive argument.

You also employ the typical leading rhetorical structure of a bad faith actor while skipping key parts of a discussion to jump to your conclusion. You question posits that all transgender individuals are mentally ill to the point of needing to be place in an institution and then demands I agree or disagree. You skipped the part where I agreed that being transgender was a mental illness or even making an argument that it was. This is because you know that is the weakest part of you argument and one you have no ability to prove. So you skip it and attempt to simply assume it is fact, and challenge me to defendant that seriously mentally ill people shouldn't be institutionalized(you also skip any argument about institutionalization, but that is another discussion).

So before you whine about the discourse, understand that folks here are on to these bullshit tactics and won't put up with them. So argue in good faith or continue to be treated like the troll from that 2009 video by Hotbid.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
March 20 2019 04:31 GMT
#1126
Canada’s housing agency will spend up to C$1.25 billion ($943 million) over three years to take equity positions in homes bought by first-time buyers, part of a plan by Justin Trudeau’s government to make housing more affordable for the youngest voters.

According to federal budget documents released Tuesday in Ottawa, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. will provide up to 10 percent funding for new homes and 5 percent for existing homes to reduce mortgage costs for low- to middle-income buyers. The financing would apply to insured mortgages, which are required if the buyer puts less than a 20 percent down payment on the property.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau is seeking to ease affordability concerns after price gains and rule changes in recent years pushed home ownership out of reach for many Canadians, in particular millennials who may be just starting out in the labor market. Though prices and sales slumped in most cities in 2018, prices are still up 64 percent in Vancouver over the past five years, topping C$1 million on average, and up 56 percent in Toronto over the same period, Canadian Real Estate Association data show.

This new program -- which the government expects to be used by 100,000 home-buyers over three years -- may provide a shot in the arm to a market that has been a vital contributor to growth amid signs the Canadian economy is slowing.

“Sales should be boosted by this, so should prices,’’ said Brian DePratto, an economist at Toronto-Dominion Bank. “At the margin, there is more upside to demand.’’

September Launch
The equity plan borrows a page from smaller non-profit groups in Canada that already offer similar loans for low-income people. The new program, called the ‘First-Time Home Buyer Incentive,’ will be launched in September and be available to first-time buyers with annual household incomes of as much as C$120,000. The amount of the insured mortgage would be capped at four times income, or up to C$480,000.

A buyer purchasing a new C$400,000 home with a 5 percent down payment of C$20,000 may qualify for a 10 percent, or C$40,000 contribution from CMHC. That would lower the monthly payment to C$1,745, from C$1,973, assuming a 25-year amortization and a mortgage rate of 3.5 percent, according to an example in the budget documents.

Mind-Blowing
The move is “mind-blowing,” and will only fuel demand in the segment of the market that is already the most competitive, said John Pasalis, president of the Toronto-based firm Realosophy Realty Inc.

“Why is the federal government playing mom and dad and buying everyone homes?” he said. “This is not the solution to high house prices, this is trying to treat the symptom by just throwing money at it, throwing taxpayers dollars to buy homes for people.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-19/trudeau-targets-home-buying-millennials-with-down-payment-funds

The government taking an equity position in real estate seems to be a bad idea because it's only going to raise the cost of housing at the bottom and it increases exposure to tax payers when the gravy train ends.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
March 20 2019 04:42 GMT
#1127
yeah, it may be a little too early to tell but I feel like this doesn't actually help the millennial's which is who they tried to suggest this would help the most. I'm not too surprised but disappointed all the same.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
March 20 2019 04:44 GMT
#1128
On March 20 2019 13:31 CorsairHero wrote:
The government taking an equity position in real estate seems to be a bad idea because it's only going to raise the cost of housing at the bottom and it increases exposure to tax payers when the gravy train ends.

ya, good point. i'd like to see the Feds alter RRSP rules and allow mortgage interest to be tax deductible. If they change RRSP rules correctly it can be revenue neutral for the feds while making home ownership more affordable.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
March 20 2019 04:59 GMT
#1129
They also increased the Home buyer plan limit to 35K from 25K in an RRSP so now folks can take 35K of funds marked for retirement and get a home.
© Current year.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-20 05:12:23
March 20 2019 05:10 GMT
#1130
On March 20 2019 13:42 OmniEulogy wrote:
yeah, it may be a little too early to tell but I feel like this doesn't actually help the millennial's which is who they tried to suggest this would help the most. I'm not too surprised but disappointed all the same.

It's a dumb policy that does nothing for home buyers in Vancouver and Toronto because almost all 1 bedroom units in the city are going to cost over 480K. This also punishes the people who cut back on things to save up for the 20% down payment to avoid CHMC fees.

It also pushes people to get into the presale game because new homes get 10% funding and now we're in the futures business where buildings are 2-5 years away from completion based on todays prices.
© Current year.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-20 09:32:46
March 20 2019 09:31 GMT
#1131
On March 20 2019 07:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2019 06:56 SK.Testie wrote:
The complete lack of ability to answer straightforward questions has done far more damage to the discourse. A leading question? Of course, what's wrong with a leading question? All conversations have leading questions because no conversation is just one paragraph or two of the 'correct' opinion. You must stand for your ideas and see them put into practice. Does the person in that video belong in a women's shelter if "she" says she has been raped.

Yes or no.


There is no discourse here. You are a bad faith actor who is attempting to extract effort out of others in the discussion through your low effort posting and use of a youtube video to make a substantive argument.

You also employ the typical leading rhetorical structure of a bad faith actor while skipping key parts of a discussion to jump to your conclusion. You question posits that all transgender individuals are mentally ill to the point of needing to be place in an institution and then demands I agree or disagree. You skipped the part where I agreed that being transgender was a mental illness or even making an argument that it was. This is because you know that is the weakest part of you argument and one you have no ability to prove. So you skip it and attempt to simply assume it is fact, and challenge me to defendant that seriously mentally ill people shouldn't be institutionalized(you also skip any argument about institutionalization, but that is another discussion).

So before you whine about the discourse, understand that folks here are on to these bullshit tactics and won't put up with them. So argue in good faith or continue to be treated like the troll from that 2009 video by Hotbid.
what you did there is called psychological projection:
Projection is the psychological phenomenon where someone denies some aspect of their behavior or attitudes and assumes instead that others are doing or thinking so. It is usually seen as the externalisation of a person's negative traits, placing blame on an outside force such as the environment, a government, a society or other people.
Projection can also extend to philosophy and knowledge. This occurs when a person or small group of people assume that everyone else is working with the same ideas and/or information that they are. .
because ... -you question posits that all transgender individuals are mentally ill to the point of needing to be place in an institution- is fabrication pertaining to -this individual belongs in a women's shelter- which is singular, and -a mental ward perhaps- which is obviously an opinion and not a factual claim. also this, ?, at the end of that sentence is indicative of an interrogative sentence/phrase and not a declarative one. it asks for a reply, a rebuttal, a counter, a proof, an alternative ... etc from you.

how are you a lawyer?; that's reading basic text to me.

at best, for you in here, the proverb it takes one to know one applies, and at worst, you are it(the troll, the bad faither, the bullshit tactics) and he isn't(yet).
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-20 15:21:29
March 20 2019 15:05 GMT
#1132
Regarding the Vancouver Rape Crisis Shelter: the City of Vancouver's decision runs counter to several BC provincial court decisions in the 2000s. These decisions backed the Crisis Centre's definition/criteria of who could enter the Crisis Centre and who could not.
https://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/learn/resources/discrimination-against-women-name-inclusion-statement-vancouver-rape-relief-and-wome
"our entitlement to serve women who are born female was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court of British Columbia in 2003, by the British Columbia Court of Appeal in 2005 and by the Supreme Court of Canada in 2007"

WARNING: Vague Generality Incoming: We are seeing the "sanctuary cities" that openly flaunt federal and provincial//state laws. We are seeing "Gun Sanctuary" areas that again openly flaunt/ignore federal or state laws. Now we have the City of Vancouver making a decision that runs counter to provincial court decisions.

This is an interesting, growing trend in both the US and Canadian political landscape. That is , Cities/Local areas acting like "City-States". I'll need more time to think about these things to figure out whether i think the trend is "good' or "bad" though.
On March 20 2019 13:59 CorsairHero wrote:
They also increased the Home buyer plan limit to 35K from 25K in an RRSP so now folks can take 35K of funds marked for retirement and get a home.

ya, that is another good point.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-20 21:12:05
March 20 2019 21:11 GMT
#1133
On March 21 2019 00:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Regarding the Vancouver Rape Crisis Shelter: the City of Vancouver's decision runs counter to several BC provincial court decisions in the 2000s. These decisions backed the Crisis Centre's definition/criteria of who could enter the Crisis Centre and who could not.
https://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/learn/resources/discrimination-against-women-name-inclusion-statement-vancouver-rape-relief-and-wome
"our entitlement to serve women who are born female was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court of British Columbia in 2003, by the British Columbia Court of Appeal in 2005 and by the Supreme Court of Canada in 2007"

WARNING: Vague Generality Incoming: We are seeing the "sanctuary cities" that openly flaunt federal and provincial//state laws. We are seeing "Gun Sanctuary" areas that again openly flaunt/ignore federal or state laws. Now we have the City of Vancouver making a decision that runs counter to provincial court decisions.

This is an interesting, growing trend in both the US and Canadian political landscape. That is , Cities/Local areas acting like "City-States". I'll need more time to think about these things to figure out whether i think the trend is "good' or "bad" though.


I read through that,

I have some issues with that statement

A) No one is saying the Crisis Center should be close down. Its just pulling public funding from the City if I understand correctly.

Im not familiar with the specifics but isnt the City within its rights to pursue its own definition and based on that cut funding if they believe that the center is not acting in accordance with what it determines to be inclusive?

I see the problem here ofcourse. Its not fair to the women who ARE being served to not be properly served because of the City's action. So there is a bit of a catch 22 here.

B) They claim the cutting of funding is discriminatory. Based on my previous point that may be a legally valid claim I am not an expert. But it seems counter intuitive to accuse someone of being discriminatory for setting a criteria of "inclusiveness".

C)The rest of it can be summarized as essentially a laundry list to make clear what services they provide and how essential they are, and the types of issues particularly related to violence women face.. Which again is fair. But then also go on to acknowledge that the people they are refusing to serve have valid claims to the same assistance.

"8. We have no doubt that people whose behaviour is not consistent with the patriarchal socially imposed definition of manhood or womanhood, including transgender people, suffer discrimination and violence. Transgender people deserve and must live in safety and have the equal rights and opportunities that are promised to us all. When it comes to our services, we have a collective commitment to see to the safety anyone who calls our crisis line, including transgender people.."


But then offer nothing beyond that. Its just a dead end statement and then they return to their laundry list of do-gooding. Just with the reminder that the services are for "born females only".

Its kinda counter intuitive, we want to be able to restrict services/aid based on our definitions, but you cant do the same to us.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11604 Posts
March 21 2019 03:02 GMT
#1134
The government taking an equity position in real estate seems to be a bad idea because it's only going to raise the cost of housing at the bottom and it increases exposure to tax payers when the gravy train ends.

This is really bad. I hope these guys get kicked out in the next election.

If you provide additional funding without increasing the housing supply, all that will happen is the housing prices will go up... on the very people you are trying to help out. That is people who were not in the market, suddenly enter into the market with this government equity.

We need to increase the housing supply... but that mostly at the muncipal level where you run into the 'not in my backyard,' anti-development mentality. We need some sort of new coalition of pro-development, environmentalists and low-income housing people-centred around high density mixed residential-commercial.

(It'd probably anger those three groups instead, but theoretically mixed residential-commercial, high density- hits some major points for all- increase supply, so housing prices go down for low income. Work and living quarters can be in same building, which is really great fight against transportation pollution, but at least high density encourages mass transit which is better for the environment- it's one of the few things my much more environmentally conscious brother and I agree on... but you always have to fight NIMBA)

But I don't know if any of it can be solved at the federal level. Or maybe I'm wrong. A lot of the red tape and increased costs for builders comes from the provincial government, but zoning is municipal is it not? Don't really know what the federal government can do.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6313 Posts
March 21 2019 05:22 GMT
#1135
On March 20 2019 13:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2019 13:31 CorsairHero wrote:
The government taking an equity position in real estate seems to be a bad idea because it's only going to raise the cost of housing at the bottom and it increases exposure to tax payers when the gravy train ends.

ya, good point. i'd like to see the Feds alter RRSP rules and allow mortgage interest to be tax deductible. If they change RRSP rules correctly it can be revenue neutral for the feds while making home ownership more affordable.

Mortgage interest rate deduction is an aweful idea. People will simply take a higher mortgage. You'll have more money chasing the same supply which increases prices. It's what blew up the Dutch housing market. In addition it's extremely regressive since rich people have more income against which to deduct and buy more expensive houses. Like falling said the only real solution is to build more houses.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
March 21 2019 08:27 GMT
#1136
On March 21 2019 14:22 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2019 13:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 20 2019 13:31 CorsairHero wrote:
The government taking an equity position in real estate seems to be a bad idea because it's only going to raise the cost of housing at the bottom and it increases exposure to tax payers when the gravy train ends.

ya, good point. i'd like to see the Feds alter RRSP rules and allow mortgage interest to be tax deductible. If they change RRSP rules correctly it can be revenue neutral for the feds while making home ownership more affordable.

Mortgage interest rate deduction is an aweful idea. People will simply take a higher mortgage. You'll have more money chasing the same supply which increases prices. It's what blew up the Dutch housing market. In addition it's extremely regressive since rich people have more income against which to deduct and buy more expensive houses. Like falling said the only real solution is to build more houses.

it would be regressive if there were no upper limit on the amount you could write-off. The home must be worth $750K or less.. if you are in a place like Toronto the upper limit is a formula which identifies the median value of a family house.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 21 2019 13:16 GMT
#1137
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
March 21 2019 16:52 GMT
#1138
On March 21 2019 22:16 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2019 12:02 Falling wrote:
The government taking an equity position in real estate seems to be a bad idea because it's only going to raise the cost of housing at the bottom and it increases exposure to tax payers when the gravy train ends.

This is really bad. I hope these guys get kicked out in the next election.

If you provide additional funding without increasing the housing supply, all that will happen is the housing prices will go up... on the very people you are trying to help out. That is people who were not in the market, suddenly enter into the market with this government equity.

We need to increase the housing supply... but that mostly at the muncipal level where you run into the 'not in my backyard,' anti-development mentality. We need some sort of new coalition of pro-development, environmentalists and low-income housing people-centred around high density mixed residential-commercial.

(It'd probably anger those three groups instead, but theoretically mixed residential-commercial, high density- hits some major points for all- increase supply, so housing prices go down for low income. Work and living quarters can be in same building, which is really great fight against transportation pollution, but at least high density encourages mass transit which is better for the environment- it's one of the few things my much more environmentally conscious brother and I agree on... but you always have to fight NIMBA)

But I don't know if any of it can be solved at the federal level. Or maybe I'm wrong. A lot of the red tape and increased costs for builders comes from the provincial government, but zoning is municipal is it not? Don't really know what the federal government can do.


Zoning is municipal. And it is shitty because every (most) city knows they need more densification. But every time you try to zone for it the public gets mad and city counselors back down. So you get more a more sprawl, which is bad for house prices but also way more expensive for all the city services including things like transit which with more densification you could provide a better service at less cost.

I'm like you outside of some rule from the Feds on minimum desnification so that it would just happen, but I think the feds are also to scared of the vote implications. Trying to do things that everyone knows is good, but they don't want in their neighborhood is a pain.


The densification (?) in TO is in full swing, but home buyers for many good reasons dont want to invest in apartments or atleast there is a slow down there.

I work right across Wilson Station past Yorkdale, my office overlooks the 401 and Allen Rd. When I started working here about three years ago. The 3 story building I work in was the only building in sight.

There are 5 Apartment complexes going up anywhere the light touches. within a space that had crickets chirping here in the middle of the day Its still a hot market, its just stop exploding out of control it was the last few years.)

On March 21 2019 14:22 RvB wrote:
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On March 20 2019 13:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 20 2019 13:31 CorsairHero wrote:
The government taking an equity position in real estate seems to be a bad idea because it's only going to raise the cost of housing at the bottom and it increases exposure to tax payers when the gravy train ends.

ya, good point. i'd like to see the Feds alter RRSP rules and allow mortgage interest to be tax deductible. If they change RRSP rules correctly it can be revenue neutral for the feds while making home ownership more affordable.

Mortgage interest rate deduction is an aweful idea. People will simply take a higher mortgage. You'll have more money chasing the same supply which increases prices. It's what blew up the Dutch housing market. In addition it's extremely regressive since rich people have more income against which to deduct and buy more expensive houses. Like falling said the only real solution is to build more houses.


I agree, this is a terrible idea. Its a complete popularity play.

The problem is that in places Millennial really want to live there are no houses, well there are but even with the Govt throwing their lot in, any normal millennial is complete priced out of anything attached or a semi within the more desirable places in the GTA.

So now you will have Millenials buying homes they dont realllyyy want because they can and then probably not be able to suffer them later. I dont mind personally its a nudge in the direction of a crash that might benefit me personally. But Its going to suck for alottttt of people.


JimmiC
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March 21 2019 17:08 GMT
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JimmyJRaynor
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Last Edited: 2019-03-21 19:27:04
March 21 2019 18:51 GMT
#1140
Although there is a big separation between the parliamentary and judicial systems in Canada... I'd say an issue like this belongs in the Canadian Politics thread.

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9232560-bite-mark-analysis-has-been-shown-to-be-flawed-science-so-why-is-it-allowed-in-canadian-courts-/

Shoddy science and bad lab work results in a lot of wrongful convictions and other bad stuff. Although the MotheRisk program did not result in large #s of wrongful convictions it did falsely identify some parents as illegal drug users and its "evidence" was used to separate innocent parents from their children.

I'd prefer the government have a way to proactively prevent a possible issue with bite-mark analysis and any new "wonder science" that comes along being rubber stamped as legit by Canadian courts. The Ontario government appointing an independent reviewer after the damage was done by shoddy hair analysis in MotheRisk ain't good enough.
http://www.sickkids.ca/AboutSickKids/Newsroom/Past-News/2018/update-koren-research.html

or perhaps, some way to review what judges start allowing as reliable scientific evidence.
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