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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 07 2019 16:22 GMT
#1081
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17443 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-07 19:02:39
February 07 2019 17:56 GMT
#1082
Trudeau can't oppose the USA on many different things simultaneously. He must pick his battles carefully.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/canada-making-a-dangerous-mistake-by-picking-sides-in-venezuela-says-prof-1.5008118
"Canada making a dangerous mistake by picking sides in Venezuela"

In a perfect North America where the PM and Prez get along great Canada could probably play Venezuala more down the middle than the USA is. However, we don't have that great a relationship with the USA and Trudeau and Trump ain't exactly best pals.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
February 12 2019 17:46 GMT
#1083
There's an ethics investigation into the PMO and Wilson-Raybould resigned from Trudeau's cabinet and enlisted a former Supreme Court Justice as her lawyer. You have to admit she has some intense levels of integrity through all this. I'm eagerly awaiting data to see how much this affects the 2019 election.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17443 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-21 14:23:26
February 21 2019 14:08 GMT
#1084
If the Toronto and Peel cops are going to smash major gang activity in the city they better be adequately funded to deal with the power vacuum their massive busts creates. Peel police should be adequately funded as well when they take out a big gang. Murders in Peel Region and Toronto are way up since the first big busts a year ago.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-toronto-police-seize-drugs-firearms-in-major-bust/
https://www.mississauga.com/news-story/9077433--taking-down-a-criminal-operation-grenades-seized-8-mississauga-and-brampton-men-charged-in-massive-guns-and-drugs-sting/

Gang activity is behind the spike in violence and murders in 2018 in both Toronto and Peel region.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4689456/toronto-murder-statistics/
"But what’s happening in Toronto this year (and last) isn’t complicated. It’s criminal gangs. This isn’t a secret.
John Tory, the mayor of Toronto, saw this clearly enough before he got frustrated ...."

I say the increased gang warfare is due to a power vacuum created by major gang busts early in 2018.

Fountainhead Avenue is gonna be a shooting gallery again this summer and I think we're going to see murder and violence #s similar to 2018 ... this year.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17443 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-28 01:04:37
February 28 2019 00:55 GMT
#1085
Wow, this snc lavalin thing sure went bad in a hurry. Trudeau is going to talk in 5 minutes somewhere in Montreal. My grandma is ranting and raving about it... so its probably important.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-testifies-justice-committee-1.5035219

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/jody-wilson-raybould-testimony-justin-trudeau-pmo

i don't think they'll get Trudeau to resign. Chretien was a 1000X better power broker than Justin. Its sad the calibre of politician Canada has today compared to 15+ years ago.

For those outside of Canada looking in... CBC is generally the "left wing" mainstream media outlet. the National Post is a prominent "right wing" mainstream media outlet. I thought it was important to get both perspectives.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-28 01:34:46
February 28 2019 01:30 GMT
#1086
On February 28 2019 09:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Wow, this snc lavalin thing sure went bad in a hurry. Trudeau is going to talk in 5 minutes somewhere in Montreal. My grandma is ranting and raving about it... so its probably important.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-testifies-justice-committee-1.5035219

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/jody-wilson-raybould-testimony-justin-trudeau-pmo

i don't think they'll get Trudeau to resign. Chretien was a 1000X better power broker than Justin. Its sad the calibre of politician Canada has today compared to 15+ years ago.

For those outside of Canada looking in... CBC is generally the "left wing" mainstream media outlet. the National Post is a prominent "right wing" mainstream media outlet. I thought it was important to get both perspectives.


Any Govt would have done this, Liberal or Conservative so I find the opposition frothing that he should resign to be a crock of shit.

The fact of the matter is there was a case to be made for the common good through the DPA and thats what the PMO wanted to protect. Sometimes trying to be a justice crusader to the effect Wilson Raybould was being is not the best approach. They could still have meted out justice appropriately through the DPA and kept thousands of real hard working people from getting fucked.

Regardless she was well within her rights to pursue the case as she wanted to and tbh the PMO pressure was inappropriate, atleast to the degree it was piled on her.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-28 02:17:40
February 28 2019 02:16 GMT
#1087
On February 28 2019 10:30 Rebs wrote:


Any Govt would have done this, Liberal or Conservative so I find the opposition frothing that he should resign to be a crock of shit.

I agree 100%. I read the CBC article. Did what some of the PMO staff do seem out of line? Yes. But with how I read it, it was more of a "Hey this will have huge ramifications if it goes badly so don't fuck up" vibe than them telling her to make the investigation go away (which is something I keep seeing being claimed). It sounds like a couple staff may have gone a bit too far. However, she even says outright that Trudeau didn't tell her to interfere, just find a solution that doesn't cost a bunch of people their jobs. And he even repeated when asked about it today that he was mostly concerned with the fact that SNC employs so many people.

And yeah, Scheer and the Conservatives are predictably doing what they always do: hypocritical fake-outrage. The Conservatives are the last people to be throwing stones about activities of the PMO given the issues Harper's PMO had (like the whole Senate scandal thing where his PMO basically collaborated to pay for Mike Duffy's expense issues).

I said from day 1 that this 100% feels like yet another of many attempts by the Conservatives to try and find a scandal to latch onto the Liberals in an election year. Even the head privy council person last week (who is required to be bipartisan and was hired by Harper) seemed quite skeptical of the whole thing and was concerned that it was being used as an issue to divide the country rather than actually be looked at and investigated.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17443 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-28 18:23:14
February 28 2019 15:30 GMT
#1088
Trudeau is really leaning on his performance with the economy during the current press conference. In southern ontario things are definitely better than when he took office. It's still no where near as good as it was before 2010. Of course, its not Trudeau's fault and not his jurisdiction to fix what Mcguinty totally fucked up with hydro in Ontario. Considering how fucked Ontario is in areas outside of the PM's control I'd say Trudeau has done a good job for Ontarians regarding the economy.

i don't follow the liberals closely enough to know how good this article is... but it is interesting.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/02/27/3-things-trudeau-must-do-now-to-save-himself-the-liberal-party.html

To the most prominent male feminist in canadian history i have just one question... aren't i supposed to "believe all women" LOL.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 01 2019 15:32 GMT
#1089
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2019 15:36 GMT
#1090
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
March 04 2019 15:54 GMT
#1091
That was a rather unnecessarily long article around what was essentially your entire posts worth of points lol.

That is a genuine problem. If they put the rule in specifically for SNC Lavalin then that means other companies can start asking for and might get similar things. I dont doubt for a second that any other govt wouldnt do the same thing, but its not a good look at all.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2019 16:04 GMT
#1092
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17443 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-04 18:13:11
March 04 2019 17:58 GMT
#1093
meh, there is corruption every where. it depends on the size and scale of the corruption and how good of a job the guy did
if Chretien had continued running for PM after 2003 i'd have voted Liberal despite the sponsorship scandal. imo, Chretien did such a good job in so many big areas it was worth it to tolerate the sponsorship scandal.

Speaking of corruption.. A guy at the top of the OPP who doesn't get along with Doug Ford just got fired. What a coincidence. If Doug Ford does a good job I'll vote for him again if I'm still eligible to vote in Ontario.
https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/breaking-opp-deputy-commish-fired


John Candy died 25 years ago today.... this political parody Candy does here reminds me a lot of Doug Ford. John Candy was a comedic genius.


Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
March 04 2019 19:57 GMT
#1094
On March 05 2019 02:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
meh, there is corruption every where. it depends on the size and scale of the corruption and how good of a job the guy did
if Chretien had continued running for PM after 2003 i'd have voted Liberal despite the sponsorship scandal. imo, Chretien did such a good job in so many big areas it was worth it to tolerate the sponsorship scandal.



I agree, but at the end of the day what matters is the optics of it and how well its managed, and this hasnt been managed that well. Then again maybe there isnt a way to manage it well in this day and age.

Ill reiterate I fall onto the side that says the DPA is the right thing to do here regardless of whether its Liberal voters or whatever.

The argument the article JimmiC shared makes about those jobs going to other companies and being taken up regardless is a poor one. It doesnt account for the disruption,anxiety and hardship that the actual people employed would face. Even if eventually most of those same people fall into close the gaps. And why sell those people down the river with the argument of "well other people will still get jobs". Thats kind of a shit thing to do.

Dealing with big business is a difficult balancing act. I agree that companies shouldnt be to big to fail, but then some just are and a corporation in itself isnt the problem anyway, its the people running it. And thats where the focus should be.

JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 04 2019 20:07 GMT
#1095
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
March 04 2019 21:01 GMT
#1096
Jane Philpott is also evacuating Trudeau's Cabinet, leaving the Treasury Board. She was a fairly high profile Cabinet member, and leaving because "...the evidence of efforts by politicians and/or officials to pressure the former Attorney General to intervene in the criminal case involving SNC-Lavalin, and the evidence as to the content of those efforts have raised serious concerns for me."

Things just keep getting worse and worse for Trudeau's inner circle.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
March 04 2019 23:38 GMT
#1097
Scheer has a chance just by keeping his mouth shut. Probably will be helped if Kenney wins in Alberta.
© Current year.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17443 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-06 03:04:48
March 06 2019 02:59 GMT
#1098
interesting move by Google regarding the upcoming election...
this american guy in the video provides some background info on why google made this move.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
March 06 2019 03:36 GMT
#1099
That's fairly interesting, I don't mind that move by google for two reasons. I agree that it's up to them how (or if) they want to enforce that law and to figure out if it's even viable for them to do so in the first place. I also think it's fine that we're trying to make Google more accountable for what ends up being pushed onto people in terms of election ads. If I had to choose between people getting random ads that might have come from who knows where / what group or them staying willfully ignorant until they look something up for themselves I have to say I like the latter much more. Of course that's only if Google ads were the only source for people to get information which obviously it isn't but I'm just focusing on this single aspect

From the sounds of it, places like Facebook would also need to check for this wouldn't they? I wonder how they'll react or if they'll even do anything at all.
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
March 06 2019 15:33 GMT
#1100
The Gerald Butts testimony is going on right now. I just listened to his opening statement, which does seem to confirm my suspicions that there is a lot more to this story than JWR was saying and that she might have been exaggerating things quite a bit in some cases. He said both of his meetings with her were scheduled at her request. He also seemingly has brought documentary evidence to back up at least some of his claims.

Things appear to be getting ugly for Doug Ford in Ontario. It's starting to look a lot like he was involved in rigging a hiring process to get a family friend in a high place, and a place that would investigate any potential legal issues relating to the government at that.

On March 06 2019 12:36 OmniEulogy wrote:
From the sounds of it, places like Facebook would also need to check for this wouldn't they? I wonder how they'll react or if they'll even do anything at all.

It's Facebook, they won't do anything until legally required to. That's what they've done many times in the past. It took an incredibly long time after the 2016 US election for them to admit that their advertising and recommendation system had been abused by bad actors, and even longer for any changes to be done to it.
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