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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 04:45:04
April 03 2019 04:44 GMT
#1161
Scheer is aweful. I moved here 3 months before Trudeau got elected and if the liberals really want my vote ill be a citizen in 3-4 months.

Scheer is a joke, stick figures have more backbone than him.

I am still quite concerned that the platforms will get swept by this stuff. I dont think this scandal is going away and its going to be brought up, over and over and over again at every oppurtunity because all the conservatives have to do is look South and think they have the perfect angle now.

And I really hope that doesnt happen because even conservative Govts here have been at the very least sensitive to decorum and sticking to issues but I dont think they will this time round. The fruit is hanging to low.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18013 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 07:29:21
April 03 2019 06:16 GMT
#1162
so much for Justin Trudeau's assertion Canada is a rising hotbed of "talent and innovation"
it aint.

https://qz.com/work/1276072/canadian-tech-grads-are-looking-for-jobs-in-silicon-valley-at-alarming-rates-according-to-a-new-study/

I think the problem is just as much cultural as it is economic. American companies spend more money on cutting edge tech.. American companies take having a technical advantage over their competition more seriously. Canadian companies merely want to "keep up with the jones's". American companies are more willing to take risks to gain a technical edge.

American companies are better at structuring incentives and bonuses tied to technical milestones and ground level performance of the final product.

One thing about these survey results. Software Engineers have the most portable skills/education because they are not "Professional Engineers" tied to a specific province in Canada. Software Engineering grads from Ontario universities can not get accredited with P.E.O. and become a Professional Engineer. The education they receive is not specific to Ontario. Whereas Civil Engineers or Mechanical Engineers receive some education specific to the province of Ontario. I'm sure its the same for Civil and Mechanical Engineers in every other province. Civil and Mech can't just snap their fingers and get hired in Australia or the USA or wherever.

When I graduated ~9 years ago I'd say somewhere between 35% and 50% of my software engineering class left for the USA, Australia and Europe. According to this survey 66% are leaving for the US. I'm moving to Cheektowaga, New York at the end of May.

Whatever Trudeau was attempting to accomplish with the USMCA ... one thing it hasn't done.. is slowed down the brain-drain. If anything, it has accelerated.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 14:06:04
April 03 2019 13:27 GMT
#1163
But thats never really going to slow down.

I think theyve done a decent job of keeping it at the level its at and the knowledge economy atleast intuitively and from what I observe living in the city, has grown significantly. There are tech parks all over the place, startups all over the place

Even if Canadian brains are draning, there is brain coming from elsewhere, and no serious disrespect to Canadians but some of the brain coming in is well superior.

The attractiveness of American tech is fundamentally down to it being a bigger market with better financial incentives, thats literally it. Thats not going to change.

I will probably end up moving back aswell in a few years even though I fucking hate the idea of doing it. But since where I work got purchased by Descartes a few months ago, I might make a lateral move to Europe just for kicks.

That having been said, and again no disrespect to Cheektowaga, there are really only specific markets that I am interested in moving to and upstate New York is a bonafide downgrade in terms of the general quality of life over Toronto for me.

Also that study looks a bit fishy to me.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18013 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 14:06:05
April 03 2019 13:53 GMT
#1164
On April 03 2019 22:27 Rebs wrote:
Also that study looks a bit fishy to me.

I'd say its facts are close to correct. It cherry picks a certain small segment of grads for maximum "surprise" factor. Notice it says nothing about Mechanical, Civil, Chemical or Electrical Engineers because their education is partially tied to the province where they eventually become Professional Engineers. It says nothing about quality people in the medical industry and to what extent they are staying in Canada or going south.

What can a PM do to exact a cultural change across Canada's business landscape to stem the tide of quality grads leaving? I think it requires a PM that can exact the kind of influence Pierre Elliot Trudeau did when he patrioted the constitution in 1982. I don't think this is something within Justin Trudeau's capabilities. It will require a PM who can change what Canada is , at its core.

i'm not even sure patrioted is a real word.. but u get the idea.

We've had some great men leading this country from the 60s until Chretien's final term in office.
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Its not that today's politicians are poor or incompetent. Its that Bob Rae , Ed Broadbent, and Jack Layton were great. Joe Clark, Brian Mulroney, Bill Davis, and Mike Harris were great. Pierre Trudeau and John Chretien were great. This new batch of politicians just doesn't impress me as great.

Kathleen Wynne? Doug Ford? Justin Trudeau? Whatshisface running the federal PCs? None of these people are horrible. They are also far from great.

You can't have a great country without great leaders.
its sad watching Canada fall into mediocrity.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 14:06:48
April 03 2019 14:05 GMT
#1165
I dont think what elder Trudeau did is particularly possible at this stage in Canada's history. He had alot of things going for him in terms of the landscape and the crossroads Canada was at. Ofcourse it helped that he was pretty shrewd and more intelligent than Justin.

And again I think the bottom line is that Canada would just need to get bigger. The market here is to small, thats just the reality. But then that larger market comes with a set of tradeoffs that arent neccessarily desirable.

So I am not particularly alarmed by the status quo.

JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18013 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 14:14:59
April 03 2019 14:13 GMT
#1166
its funny how people talk about what a lunatic Trump is. Like its some unprecedented crazy thing. Pierre Trudeau did all kinds of wild and inflammatory stuff.
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He gave the protestors the middle finger when they were whining about the Constitution. He used secret parliamentary meetings on at least 2 occasions. The FLQ Affair and getting 6 American hostages out of Iran.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 03 2019 14:16 GMT
#1167
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18013 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 14:25:46
April 03 2019 14:23 GMT
#1168
Nah, I researched his popularity in depth. He was not universally popular. As I indicate in my earlier posts.. in many ways he was just as inflammatory as the current POTUS.

5 Trudeau Elections and Popular Vote
45.4%
2nd place guy 31.4%

38.4%
2nd place guy 35%

43%
2nd place guy 35%

40%
2nd place guy 35.9%

44.3%
2nd place guy 32.45%
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
April 03 2019 14:40 GMT
#1169
Comparing Trudeau and Trump is apples and oranges.


I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18013 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 14:53:47
April 03 2019 14:49 GMT
#1170
On April 03 2019 23:40 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Comparing Trudeau and Trump is apples and oranges.
I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

as a previous poster has noted. Trudeau was not exactly a boy scout.
On April 03 2019 23:16 JimmiC wrote:
Lots of people hated elder Trudeau especially out west. You're just in your bubble and think that way. Whether it was his treatment of his wife, his love of Castro, energy program or any number of things.

and check my previous posts about P.E.T.'s Salmon Arm middle finger. the secret parliamentary meetings....
Pierre Trudeau also had a contentious relationship with the media. Examine the "Just Watch Me" interview on October 13, 1970.

"its more important to keep law and order in this society than it is to worry about weak kneed people who don't like the looks of people with helmets and guns"
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 03 2019 15:16 GMT
#1171
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
April 04 2019 00:17 GMT
#1172
So by virtue of having done some things outrageously and having a poor relationship with the Media you are drawing an equivalency that Elder T did "wild and crazy shit" and so therefore Trumps lunacy should be unsurprising.

You trolling ?
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
April 04 2019 19:03 GMT
#1173
I think he is trying to be too edgy.

Even if you hate Trudeau with your guts, you can't put both in the same sentence if you have the least amount of objectivity.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-04 21:22:21
April 04 2019 21:21 GMT
#1174
So Alberta elections are coming up, thoughts fellow Albertans?

Unsurprisingly, here in Alberta we're super Trudeau, probably worst prime minister since his father.

The race is between NDP and UCP, and all in all, I've been conservative forever, and I thought Notley did a decent job with what she had. However, her campaign has been promising too many things that cost too much money, as well as trying to remove revenue streams like speeding cameras (which I'm actually for). Either way, it doesn't seem sustainable with reducing tax revenue. I think she's done a good job with slowly diversifying the economy... Though she failed to get any pipelines built, but hard to say how much of that is her unable to negotiate well, and how much of that is BC and the federal government being dumb. Train cars to transport oil, like fml.

Jason Kenney on the other hand seems like a snake, Notley is definitely more sympathetic. The only thing he really gets attacked for is his Anti-LGBT stance in the past, but I'm not too fond of the excess attention on it, it's not like he's going to repeal gay marriage and stuff like that, so I'm not worried. He definitely wouldn't support absurd stuff like 3 bathrooms, having one for the confused people, which is too large of a cost. I think focus on things like accessibility is also a poor decision, drives up costs too much for a very low single percent of the population. I mean, it's shitty, but tough luck for some people. We don't need every single library to be wheelchair accessible, maybe just 20%.

The Conservatives seem a little too fixated on oil, I think they key is more spending and incentives on education, which Kenney discussed. Right now is a great time to bring non energy companies in, with low lease rates on office spaces, and fairly low salaries due to a very weak Canadian dollar, and high unemployment. With less focus on emissions, and a higher focus on education (our post secondary is doing alright, but more emphasis on k-12), we should be able to attract a lot of industry. I care for the environment, but I think with how large Canada is, we can afford to pollute more, to improve our economy.

So yeah, I'm leaning towards Conservatives, just wish the party had a different candidate.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
April 04 2019 22:24 GMT
#1175
speaking of unemployment in Alberta, how is it now? I got my heavy equipment operator license just as the collapse happened so outside of a few jobs in Ontario where I was basically brought in as a private contractor and dug a few ditches I haven't used it. The reason I couldn't find work was basically all the people from out west coming to Ontario to find jobs with their 20+ years of experience but I haven't heard if it has started to recover in any way shape of form.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-04 23:00:10
April 04 2019 22:55 GMT
#1176
On April 05 2019 07:24 OmniEulogy wrote:
speaking of unemployment in Alberta, how is it now? I got my heavy equipment operator license just as the collapse happened so outside of a few jobs in Ontario where I was basically brought in as a private contractor and dug a few ditches I haven't used it. The reason I couldn't find work was basically all the people from out west coming to Ontario to find jobs with their 20+ years of experience but I haven't heard if it has started to recover in any way shape of form.


Still bad, especially in Calgary. Before the crash, there was still a lot of projects going on, so for quite a few people there was work, but as those old projects got finished up and new ones didn't get started... That's when it really started to be felt.

Still around 25% office vacancies, property is fairly cheap, my place peaked at 600k, at around 460-470k now. $15 minimum wage doesn't help the situation for some people, and if you compare prices between provinces, ours are more expensive. Just compare the McDonald's coupons from Alberta and Ontario, 10% more expensive here haha.

Especially for someone like me, who spends the bulk of his money on vacations, cars, and technology... I work construction, so I'm handy or know people who will do any home renos for beer and pizza, so I don't really spend any money on local services. Minus my house, all my costs are pegged to the US dollar, so everything is a lot more expensive than 4 years back, but that's the case for everywhere in Canada.

I've been reading that some new companies are making their way here, but with the current situation, I don't expect significant oil and gas investment. At some point, long term, the weak Canadian dollar, low wages, and cheap lease rates will bring companies in, but nothing suggests to me that we're going to make any improvements in the next two years. That's why the best we can do is be prepared with a well educated work force.

I think 2 years ago it was the most chaotic, because so many people lost their job, some found shitty alternatives, we've had a couple come and go through our firm. I think the people who remained not working remained almost the same, and unemployment remained more or less the same (a slight drop due to discouraged job seekers).

If they don't let us build pipelines, fuck it, let's build our own manufacturing plants here, and keep the oil for ourselves, and BC, I understand you guys don't want the risk of any leaks, but hopefully $2/liter gas won't be a big price to pay.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-04 23:16:37
April 04 2019 23:11 GMT
#1177
Yeah, many people in Canada are mobile, it's just how it is. Tons of people came over from Ontario during the boom as well, I wouldn't be surprised that the majority of those people who came back are originally Ontarians and other Maritime guys.

I mean we've had issues like Saskatchewan not allowing Alberta license plates on job sites when the big crash happened here, but like wtf. Help each other out, you know.

People get pretty fed up with the government too though, because during the boom, private industry salaries were doing well, and then the public workers demand more money, but then during the crash, they'll fight for against any freezes and whatnot.

Now you have laboratory technicians working in the city, or nurses, with 2-3 years of experience, making $90k/year, and of course they have very few job cuts, while the private industry takes the full blow. I mean it's just shitty, and it's why unions just upset me. Either everyone, or nobody needs to be in a union, the more workers that are unionized, the less the labor code gets emphasized, because who cares when all the people making decisions have a different code from the union. Anyway, it fucked a lot of people really hard in Alberta, and I think a big reason why the NDP has next to no chance of winning even though they did little wrong. I was fortunate and moved up quick, because I have no family and little morals when it comes to increasing my paycheque, but I feel bad for the guys who were making 30-35 an hour, wife and kids, and are working twice as hard now for 20. Then you view the only saving grace to you getting some pipelines built and having a few new projects start (and really, right now oil and gas is tied to everything, like it's the catalyst that allows every business to exist, right now, if there was no oil, it'd be a ghost town here)... 80% of the office space is energy or finance companies, and without the oil, finance wouldn't be needed. So it's a big fuck you when the government says nope. Like even the NDP noticed this, and changed their ways very quickly. There's a reason why Liberals poll at 2% here.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10979 Posts
April 04 2019 23:19 GMT
#1178
Question from an outsider:

Judging from TL, JT is kinda hated or at least no one is happy with him. In international news i get like 0 vibes in that direction, is his reelection in any kind of real danger?

I don't even have an opinion on him, he seems to be a bit too soft when challenged but on the policiy side, did he have any BIG blunders. With big blunders i don't mean stuff that outrages anti-sjw's or a similar crowd; i got that from youtube...
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
April 04 2019 23:42 GMT
#1179
A recent poll on voting preferences show the Conservatives with a decent lead of the Liberals. Thing is, it was fairly smooth sailing for Trudeau before the SNC-Lavalin fiasco, and he probably would have slipped by this year's election with a slim majority or a minority government, but it's looking fairly bleak for him now. The new budget didn't help him, and I don't see the enthusiasm for Trudeau among the young adults, which propelled him to victory back in 2015.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 05 2019 00:03 GMT
#1180
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