Y'know what I find amusing, people have been harassed on the internet since day 1 (maybe 3 or 4), most of us here grew up on the internet and have gotten used to the occasional person calling us some kind of slur and all capsing that we should die. Yet it's only now, with the rise of the radical 3rd wave feminists and the social revenge warriors, that these people have started to claim that when they get harassed, women, gays or minorities are being driven out of gaming, that this is some great attack to them that will cause a massive exodus, despite the constant horrible insults the internet has grown only bigger and bigger and attracted more and more people, appearantly this place full of muh soggy knee, hatred and death threats is incredibly appealing to our species. Almost like it's not about women in gaming but SJW's in gaming getting butthurt by threats and running to their Tumblr hugboxes because they where "triggered".
If the internet was really all that difficult for these poor, poor, oppressed women to deal with, they probably would get off it instead of complaining about it on Twitter and asking people to donate to their Patreon's.
On March 12 2015 04:15 Scootaloo wrote: Y'know what I find amusing, people have been harassed on the internet since day 1 (maybe 3 or 4), most of us here grew up on the internet and have gotten used to the occasional person calling us some kind of slur and all capsing that we should die. Yet it's only now, with the rise of the radical 3rd wave feminists and the social revenge warriors, that these people have started to claim that when they get harassed, women, gays or minorities are being driven out of gaming, that this is some great attack to them that will cause a massive exodus, despite the constant horrible insults the internet has grown only bigger and bigger and attracted more and more people, appearantly this place full of muh soggy knee, hatred and death threats is incredibly appealing to our species. Almost like it's not about women in gaming but SJW's in gaming getting butthurt by threats and running to their Tumblr hugboxes because they where "triggered".
If the internet was really all that difficult for these poor, poor, oppressed women to deal with, they probably would get off it instead of complaining about it on Twitter and asking people to donate to their Patreon's.
How else are they gunna feed themselves? The Patriarchy prevents them from getting a real job.
This is pretty much my dealio, if the web was safe enough for me to game online since I was a kid. A full grown adult woman should have no issues navigating it herself. Unless you mean to say that there needs to be more concern for a woman in online gaming environment than a kid. In that case, you're seriously selling females short, by saying they needed to be coddled more than kid.
On March 12 2015 02:49 wei2coolman wrote: I feel like levelping's ideal world is everyone only speaks in niceties and useless platitudes, in which no one is reasonably allowed to say what they feel. Which is even more ridiculous than telling people to have thicker skin.
In just about every other social setting, people are generally expected to exercise some amount of decorum to each other. Call it mutual respect maybe. Yet on the Internet people shamelessly proclaim how rude they are and doggedly insist on their right (not just a matter of right, that is is actually desirable) to continue to be as rude as they want, regardless of how other people might feel.
Yes, we have one medium where people can actually express themselves openly without being dogged by mindless masses obsessed with political correctness, and you want to take that forum away? Restraint and decorum have their place. It is not the internet. Never never never, please.
See again with the extremes. Having basic respet in a conversation isn't an obsession with political correctness. It's basic respect! And it really is starting to sound like you want the internet to specifically be a place where people go to be assholes. But like... why do we need to be assholes in the first place? I am sure you don't wake up thinking man I need to insult 40 people today, but I can't in real life, thank god the internet is there to fulfill my daily asshole quota.
It depends what you value. For you, it's protecting feelings; for me, it's having the right to actual freedom of speech. I don't insult people for no reason, and I don't like people who do, but I still defend their right to do it. The problem is that what some people consider 'being an asshole' is what other people consider perfectly reasonable behaviour. You think using the word 'rape' to describe a victory is inappropriate; I have absolutely no problem with it. You might think telling someone to 'stfu' is bad; for me it's no different to 'shh'. The boundaries of appropriate/inappropriate are arbitrary and different for each individual. The solution? Allow everything and learn not to be offended by other people's opinions and expressions. Anyway, this is way off topic. I'm just saying, take a second look at your assumption that 'more polite' = better and understand that for me and people like me that is the opposite of the truth. Most of the games I used to play had language filters, and that felt really annoying.
The internet badass MRA have arrived and want to tell us all about our need to toughen up and get out of our hugboxes. And they clearly didn't read the article because none of what they are talking about is referenced.
I also like how a bunch of channer's are pretty much going full old man on this and saying "When I was a kid back is 2004, I was totally fine and the internet was great. These kids nowadays are soft and weak."
On March 12 2015 02:49 wei2coolman wrote: I feel like levelping's ideal world is everyone only speaks in niceties and useless platitudes, in which no one is reasonably allowed to say what they feel. Which is even more ridiculous than telling people to have thicker skin.
In just about every other social setting, people are generally expected to exercise some amount of decorum to each other. Call it mutual respect maybe. Yet on the Internet people shamelessly proclaim how rude they are and doggedly insist on their right (not just a matter of right, that is is actually desirable) to continue to be as rude as they want, regardless of how other people might feel.
Yes, we have one medium where people can actually express themselves openly without being dogged by mindless masses obsessed with political correctness, and you want to take that forum away? Restraint and decorum have their place. It is not the internet. Never never never, please.
See again with the extremes. Having basic respet in a conversation isn't an obsession with political correctness. It's basic respect! And it really is starting to sound like you want the internet to specifically be a place where people go to be assholes. But like... why do we need to be assholes in the first place? I am sure you don't wake up thinking man I need to insult 40 people today, but I can't in real life, thank god the internet is there to fulfill my daily asshole quota.
It depends what you value. For you, it's protecting feelings; for me, it's having the right to actual freedom of speech. I don't insult people for no reason, and I don't like people who do, but I still defend their right to do it. The problem is that what some people consider 'being an asshole' is what other people consider perfectly reasonable behaviour. You think using the word 'rape' to describe a victory is inappropriate; I have absolutely no problem with it. You might think telling someone to 'stfu' is bad; for me it's no different to 'shh'. The boundaries of appropriate/inappropriate are arbitrary and different for each individual. The solution? Allow everything and learn not to be offended by other people's opinions and expressions. Anyway, this is way off topic. I'm just saying, take a second look at your assumption that 'more polite' = better and understand that for me and people like me that is the opposite of the truth. Most of the games I used to play had language filters, and that felt really annoying.
I think the point is to treat people like you would in person. If you tell strangers you raped them or to stfu in the library in real life it might click why you shouldn't do it online either.
On March 12 2015 04:26 Plansix wrote: The internet badass MRA have arrived and want to tell us all about our need to toughen up and get out of our hugboxes. And they clearly didn't read the article because none of what they are talking about is referenced.
I also like how a bunch of channer's are pretty much going full old man on this and saying "When I was a kid back is 2004, I was totally fine and the internet was great. These kids nowadays are soft and weak."
That's pretty much what every old person says, and guess what? they're right.
On March 12 2015 02:49 wei2coolman wrote: I feel like levelping's ideal world is everyone only speaks in niceties and useless platitudes, in which no one is reasonably allowed to say what they feel. Which is even more ridiculous than telling people to have thicker skin.
In just about every other social setting, people are generally expected to exercise some amount of decorum to each other. Call it mutual respect maybe. Yet on the Internet people shamelessly proclaim how rude they are and doggedly insist on their right (not just a matter of right, that is is actually desirable) to continue to be as rude as they want, regardless of how other people might feel.
Yes, we have one medium where people can actually express themselves openly without being dogged by mindless masses obsessed with political correctness, and you want to take that forum away? Restraint and decorum have their place. It is not the internet. Never never never, please.
See again with the extremes. Having basic respet in a conversation isn't an obsession with political correctness. It's basic respect! And it really is starting to sound like you want the internet to specifically be a place where people go to be assholes. But like... why do we need to be assholes in the first place? I am sure you don't wake up thinking man I need to insult 40 people today, but I can't in real life, thank god the internet is there to fulfill my daily asshole quota.
It depends what you value. For you, it's protecting feelings; for me, it's having the right to actual freedom of speech. I don't insult people for no reason, and I don't like people who do, but I still defend their right to do it. The problem is that what some people consider 'being an asshole' is what other people consider perfectly reasonable behaviour. You think using the word 'rape' to describe a victory is inappropriate; I have absolutely no problem with it. You might think telling someone to 'stfu' is bad; for me it's no different to 'shh'. The boundaries of appropriate/inappropriate are arbitrary and different for each individual. The solution? Allow everything and learn not to be offended by other people's opinions and expressions. Anyway, this is way off topic. I'm just saying, take a second look at your assumption that 'more polite' = better and understand that for me and people like me that is the opposite of the truth. Most of the games I used to play had language filters, and that felt really annoying.
I think the point is to treat people like you would in person. If you tell strangers you raped them or to stfu in the library in real life it might click why you shouldn't do it online either.
Yeah I get the point. I'm saying it's repulsive to me. I like the internet because I don't have to constantly take care over the things I say to protect peoples fragile sensibilities. The internet is inhabited by personas less limited by societal dogma. That's a good thing.
On March 12 2015 02:49 wei2coolman wrote: I feel like levelping's ideal world is everyone only speaks in niceties and useless platitudes, in which no one is reasonably allowed to say what they feel. Which is even more ridiculous than telling people to have thicker skin.
In just about every other social setting, people are generally expected to exercise some amount of decorum to each other. Call it mutual respect maybe. Yet on the Internet people shamelessly proclaim how rude they are and doggedly insist on their right (not just a matter of right, that is is actually desirable) to continue to be as rude as they want, regardless of how other people might feel.
Yes, we have one medium where people can actually express themselves openly without being dogged by mindless masses obsessed with political correctness, and you want to take that forum away? Restraint and decorum have their place. It is not the internet. Never never never, please.
See again with the extremes. Having basic respet in a conversation isn't an obsession with political correctness. It's basic respect! And it really is starting to sound like you want the internet to specifically be a place where people go to be assholes. But like... why do we need to be assholes in the first place? I am sure you don't wake up thinking man I need to insult 40 people today, but I can't in real life, thank god the internet is there to fulfill my daily asshole quota.
It depends what you value. For you, it's protecting feelings; for me, it's having the right to actual freedom of speech. I don't insult people for no reason, and I don't like people who do, but I still defend their right to do it. The problem is that what some people consider 'being an asshole' is what other people consider perfectly reasonable behaviour. You think using the word 'rape' to describe a victory is inappropriate; I have absolutely no problem with it. You might think telling someone to 'stfu' is bad; for me it's no different to 'shh'. The boundaries of appropriate/inappropriate are arbitrary and different for each individual. The solution? Allow everything and learn not to be offended by other people's opinions and expressions. Anyway, this is way off topic. I'm just saying, take a second look at your assumption that 'more polite' = better and understand that for me and people like me that is the opposite of the truth. Most of the games I used to play had language filters, and that felt really annoying.
I think the point is to treat people like you would in person. If you tell strangers you raped them or to stfu in the library in real life it might click why you shouldn't do it online either.
Yeah I get the point. I'm saying it's repulsive to me. I like the internet because I don't have to constantly take care over the things I say to protect peoples fragile sensibilities. The internet is inhabited by personas less limited by societal dogma. That's a good thing.
Well I tried. I can't do it any more right now. I'll check back in later to see if people have come to their senses.
On March 12 2015 04:26 Plansix wrote: The internet badass MRA have arrived and want to tell us all about our need to toughen up and get out of our hugboxes. And they clearly didn't read the article because none of what they are talking about is referenced.
I also like how a bunch of channer's are pretty much going full old man on this and saying "When I was a kid back is 2004, I was totally fine and the internet was great. These kids nowadays are soft and weak."
That's pretty much what every old person says, and guess what? they're right.
I'm very likely older than you and your wrong. Its just showing how ignorant and out of touch you are.
On March 12 2015 02:49 wei2coolman wrote: I feel like levelping's ideal world is everyone only speaks in niceties and useless platitudes, in which no one is reasonably allowed to say what they feel. Which is even more ridiculous than telling people to have thicker skin.
In just about every other social setting, people are generally expected to exercise some amount of decorum to each other. Call it mutual respect maybe. Yet on the Internet people shamelessly proclaim how rude they are and doggedly insist on their right (not just a matter of right, that is is actually desirable) to continue to be as rude as they want, regardless of how other people might feel.
Yes, we have one medium where people can actually express themselves openly without being dogged by mindless masses obsessed with political correctness, and you want to take that forum away? Restraint and decorum have their place. It is not the internet. Never never never, please.
See again with the extremes. Having basic respet in a conversation isn't an obsession with political correctness. It's basic respect! And it really is starting to sound like you want the internet to specifically be a place where people go to be assholes. But like... why do we need to be assholes in the first place? I am sure you don't wake up thinking man I need to insult 40 people today, but I can't in real life, thank god the internet is there to fulfill my daily asshole quota.
It depends what you value. For you, it's protecting feelings; for me, it's having the right to actual freedom of speech. I don't insult people for no reason, and I don't like people who do, but I still defend their right to do it. The problem is that what some people consider 'being an asshole' is what other people consider perfectly reasonable behaviour. You think using the word 'rape' to describe a victory is inappropriate; I have absolutely no problem with it. You might think telling someone to 'stfu' is bad; for me it's no different to 'shh'. The boundaries of appropriate/inappropriate are arbitrary and different for each individual. The solution? Allow everything and learn not to be offended by other people's opinions and expressions. Anyway, this is way off topic. I'm just saying, take a second look at your assumption that 'more polite' = better and understand that for me and people like me that is the opposite of the truth. Most of the games I used to play had language filters, and that felt really annoying.
I really wish people would learn what "the right" to "freedom of speech" means before using it. There is no such inherent right on the internet.
And anyway, don't you see how your "solution" is incredibly selfish - "hey I'll say everything i want, and eveyrone else just deal with it", never mind that people might have different tolerance levels for the stuff that is coming out of my mouth. Since I have no issues with bandying the word rape around, I am sure no one else does, and if they do they better learn to live with it.
On March 12 2015 02:49 wei2coolman wrote: I feel like levelping's ideal world is everyone only speaks in niceties and useless platitudes, in which no one is reasonably allowed to say what they feel. Which is even more ridiculous than telling people to have thicker skin.
In just about every other social setting, people are generally expected to exercise some amount of decorum to each other. Call it mutual respect maybe. Yet on the Internet people shamelessly proclaim how rude they are and doggedly insist on their right (not just a matter of right, that is is actually desirable) to continue to be as rude as they want, regardless of how other people might feel.
Yes, we have one medium where people can actually express themselves openly without being dogged by mindless masses obsessed with political correctness, and you want to take that forum away? Restraint and decorum have their place. It is not the internet. Never never never, please.
See again with the extremes. Having basic respet in a conversation isn't an obsession with political correctness. It's basic respect! And it really is starting to sound like you want the internet to specifically be a place where people go to be assholes. But like... why do we need to be assholes in the first place? I am sure you don't wake up thinking man I need to insult 40 people today, but I can't in real life, thank god the internet is there to fulfill my daily asshole quota.
It depends what you value. For you, it's protecting feelings; for me, it's having the right to actual freedom of speech. I don't insult people for no reason, and I don't like people who do, but I still defend their right to do it. The problem is that what some people consider 'being an asshole' is what other people consider perfectly reasonable behaviour. You think using the word 'rape' to describe a victory is inappropriate; I have absolutely no problem with it. You might think telling someone to 'stfu' is bad; for me it's no different to 'shh'. The boundaries of appropriate/inappropriate are arbitrary and different for each individual. The solution? Allow everything and learn not to be offended by other people's opinions and expressions. Anyway, this is way off topic. I'm just saying, take a second look at your assumption that 'more polite' = better and understand that for me and people like me that is the opposite of the truth. Most of the games I used to play had language filters, and that felt really annoying.
I really wish people would learn what "the right" to "freedom of speech" means before using it. There is no such inherent right on the internet.
And anyway, don't you see how your "solution" is incredibly selfish - "hey I'll say everything i want, and eveyrone else just deal with it", never mind that people might have different tolerance levels for the stuff that is coming out of my mouth. Since I have no issues with bandying the word rape around, I am sure no one else does, and if they do they better learn to live with it.
No, no, no, you see this is a good thing, these people just need to 'deal with it'
"Shower him with racist slurs and bananas". Women face the same type of stuff.
On March 12 2015 04:15 Scootaloo wrote: Y'know what I find amusing, people have been harassed on the internet since day 1 (maybe 3 or 4), most of us here grew up on the internet and have gotten used to the occasional person calling us some kind of slur and all capsing that we should die. Yet it's only now, with the rise of the radical 3rd wave feminists and the social revenge warriors, that these people have started to claim that when they get harassed, women, gays or minorities are being driven out of gaming, that this is some great attack to them that will cause a massive exodus, despite the constant horrible insults the internet has grown only bigger and bigger and attracted more and more people, appearantly this place full of muh soggy knee, hatred and death threats is incredibly appealing to our species. Almost like it's not about women in gaming but SJW's in gaming getting butthurt by threats and running to their Tumblr hugboxes because they where "triggered".
If the internet was really all that difficult for these poor, poor, oppressed women to deal with, they probably would get off it instead of complaining about it on Twitter and asking people to donate to their Patreon's.
Actually this raises and interesting point. I've on the webs for sometime now, and my personal impression is that gaming communities are actually much more toxic than before.
Btw you do realise that it is only recently that more women are playing games, so that's why such issues are being raised given that there are more women around.
On March 12 2015 04:26 Plansix wrote: The internet badass MRA have arrived and want to tell us all about our need to toughen up and get out of our hugboxes. And they clearly didn't read the article because none of what they are talking about is referenced.
I also like how a bunch of channer's are pretty much going full old man on this and saying "When I was a kid back is 2004, I was totally fine and the internet was great. These kids nowadays are soft and weak."
That's pretty much what every old person says, and guess what? they're right.
I'm very likely older than you and your wrong. Its just showing how ignorant and out of touch you are.
I'm out of touch? You're the one who's suggesting that "get thicker skin" is something "only an edgy teenager would say". When it's essentially what parents have told their kids for the the past 150 years in western civilization.
On March 12 2015 04:26 Plansix wrote: The internet badass MRA have arrived and want to tell us all about our need to toughen up and get out of our hugboxes. And they clearly didn't read the article because none of what they are talking about is referenced.
I also like how a bunch of channer's are pretty much going full old man on this and saying "When I was a kid back is 2004, I was totally fine and the internet was great. These kids nowadays are soft and weak."
That's pretty much what every old person says, and guess what? they're right.
I'm very likely older than you and your wrong. Its just showing how ignorant and out of touch you are.
You use 'MRA' as an insult. You're only showing yourself to be ignorant. Men have problems and need advocates.
I grew up with the internet too and I couldn't be more grateful for that, in particular how open and unrestricted it is by popular opinion about what is 'acceptable'.
On March 12 2015 02:49 wei2coolman wrote: I feel like levelping's ideal world is everyone only speaks in niceties and useless platitudes, in which no one is reasonably allowed to say what they feel. Which is even more ridiculous than telling people to have thicker skin.
In just about every other social setting, people are generally expected to exercise some amount of decorum to each other. Call it mutual respect maybe. Yet on the Internet people shamelessly proclaim how rude they are and doggedly insist on their right (not just a matter of right, that is is actually desirable) to continue to be as rude as they want, regardless of how other people might feel.
Yes, we have one medium where people can actually express themselves openly without being dogged by mindless masses obsessed with political correctness, and you want to take that forum away? Restraint and decorum have their place. It is not the internet. Never never never, please.
See again with the extremes. Having basic respet in a conversation isn't an obsession with political correctness. It's basic respect! And it really is starting to sound like you want the internet to specifically be a place where people go to be assholes. But like... why do we need to be assholes in the first place? I am sure you don't wake up thinking man I need to insult 40 people today, but I can't in real life, thank god the internet is there to fulfill my daily asshole quota.
It depends what you value. For you, it's protecting feelings; for me, it's having the right to actual freedom of speech. I don't insult people for no reason, and I don't like people who do, but I still defend their right to do it. The problem is that what some people consider 'being an asshole' is what other people consider perfectly reasonable behaviour. You think using the word 'rape' to describe a victory is inappropriate; I have absolutely no problem with it. You might think telling someone to 'stfu' is bad; for me it's no different to 'shh'. The boundaries of appropriate/inappropriate are arbitrary and different for each individual. The solution? Allow everything and learn not to be offended by other people's opinions and expressions. Anyway, this is way off topic. I'm just saying, take a second look at your assumption that 'more polite' = better and understand that for me and people like me that is the opposite of the truth. Most of the games I used to play had language filters, and that felt really annoying.
I really wish people would learn what "the right" to "freedom of speech" means before using it. There is no such inherent right on the internet.
And anyway, don't you see how your "solution" is incredibly selfish - "hey I'll say everything i want, and eveyrone else just deal with it", never mind that people might have different tolerance levels for the stuff that is coming out of my mouth. Since I have no issues with bandying the word rape around, I am sure no one else does, and if they do they better learn to live with it.
Yeah, I don't really get how people don't understand that freedom of speech has to do with the government preventing you from speaking. You don't have a "right" to comment on youtube videos or this site.
On March 12 2015 02:49 wei2coolman wrote: I feel like levelping's ideal world is everyone only speaks in niceties and useless platitudes, in which no one is reasonably allowed to say what they feel. Which is even more ridiculous than telling people to have thicker skin.
In just about every other social setting, people are generally expected to exercise some amount of decorum to each other. Call it mutual respect maybe. Yet on the Internet people shamelessly proclaim how rude they are and doggedly insist on their right (not just a matter of right, that is is actually desirable) to continue to be as rude as they want, regardless of how other people might feel.
Yes, we have one medium where people can actually express themselves openly without being dogged by mindless masses obsessed with political correctness, and you want to take that forum away? Restraint and decorum have their place. It is not the internet. Never never never, please.
Pretty much this. I like my 4chan the way it is. Nevar change plox.
I'm pretty sure an SJW is running 4chan now since moot bailed. And it's apparently been infested with SJW mods for a long time as well.
On March 12 2015 04:15 Scootaloo wrote: Y'know what I find amusing, people have been harassed on the internet since day 1 (maybe 3 or 4), most of us here grew up on the internet and have gotten used to the occasional person calling us some kind of slur and all capsing that we should die. Yet it's only now, with the rise of the radical 3rd wave feminists and the social revenge warriors, that these people have started to claim that when they get harassed, women, gays or minorities are being driven out of gaming, that this is some great attack to them that will cause a massive exodus, despite the constant horrible insults the internet has grown only bigger and bigger and attracted more and more people, appearantly this place full of muh soggy knee, hatred and death threats is incredibly appealing to our species. Almost like it's not about women in gaming but SJW's in gaming getting butthurt by threats and running to their Tumblr hugboxes because they where "triggered".
If the internet was really all that difficult for these poor, poor, oppressed women to deal with, they probably would get off it instead of complaining about it on Twitter and asking people to donate to their Patreon's.
How else are they gunna feed themselves? The Patriarchy prevents them from getting a real job.
This is pretty much my dealio, if the web was safe enough for me to game online since I was a kid. A full grown adult woman should have no issues navigating it herself. Unless you mean to say that there needs to be more concern for a woman in online gaming environment than a kid. In that case, you're seriously selling females short, by saying they needed to be coddled more than kid.
Well, if we're talking about scam artists like Zoe Quinn and Brianna Wu, they don't even really need the Patreon's, they come from stinking rich families, Wu from venture capitalists and Quinn from hedgefund bankers, and Sarkeesian is just a sockpuppet for her rich boyfriend McIntosh.
Once you've been on the internet for more then 10 years or so it becomes pretty hard to get shocked anyway, when you're 12 and you're seeing real gore for the first time, yeah, you get shocked for a bit, sitting in your chair going "What the fuck did I just see?", if you're a grown man or woman and see something like this, or something much less disturbing like an insult and your first response is "I will scream that I'm being forced off the internet and that the whole internet is unsafe for whatever group I indentify with." there's probably something wrong with you, not the internet. I think the great lesson to take from all of this is that people love being victims
And a big thanks to whoever gave me a TL+ for my last post, we don't even need to Patreon here, we just have a nice community.
On March 11 2015 20:00 nasze_zrodlo wrote: "hardcore online games (call of duty)" LMAO. call of duty is the most casual game possible
This man is arguing the real argument that should be had. Which game is the most HARD CORE.
On March 11 2015 20:24 Ghostcom wrote: You guys need to agree on what defines an equal society: 1) a 50:50 representation of genders throughout all society or 2) equal opportunities regardless of gender.
Exactly and since one gender is currently repressed and has fewer opportunities, there need to be laws, systems and awareness raised to fix that. Glad we finally got there.
Which gender is that? The one underrepresented in government or the one massively overrepresented at the bottom rung of society, on the streets, committing suicide and discriminated against by both the law and the education system?
It takes an imbecile to swallow the feminist narrative. There are benefits and negatives to being of either gender, both biological and societal, and it is a nonsense to say that women are objectively worse off than men or that this comparison even has any value/meaning. You've been writing nonsense from the beginning of this thread. Most people feel an obligation to protect women, and there's nothing wrong with this - it's a natural instinct - but mollycoddling is repulsive. People who have a problem with the way other people behave in online games have the option of muting/reporting those people.
Sorry bud, saying that women are worse off than men when talking biologically is indeed a nonsense, but when talking about men and women as societal groups it makes a lot of sense and has a very legit value. Just like a comparison between two societal groups almost always make sense.
Yeah, because women on average can lift as much as men?
... I suggest you read my post again. If you still don't get it, here's the thing : -things such as alcohol tolerance or amount of weight that can be lifted is biological. -things such as average salary, amount of domestic violence received or given, or society-based discrimination in general is societal.
That implies the biological strenth advantage isn't what formed those societal 'discrimination' in the first place. If your job is physically demanding, and the average female is a couple standard deviation of strength weaker than men, doesn't it reason that there is going to be an obvious population bias towards having significantly more males in that job? Especially if you consider how normal curve scaling goes when talking about 2 groups whom's averages are off by standards of deviation.
I suggest you read my post once again, because I didn't imply that. In fact, I would even say that biological differences have an obvious influence on societal events and roles repartition, just like a society's organisation and foundations have an obvious influence on what we call "biological". Now, yes, it is justified that these biological differences have an impact on some things. Your example shows it very well, but I clearly don't think that any feminist ever, apart maybe from some extremists who, like any extremists, should be discarded, asked for women to be as present as men in heavily physical jobs. However, it is sometimes, some would even say often, unjustified that these biological differences have an impact on societal subjects and events. Following your reasoning, since most women are physically weaker than men, then it is normal that women get physically abused and subjected to physical violences (which often derivate onto sexual violences, very strangely) by men. See where we're heading? To a place which never existed in any era or culture, for good reasons ; because this place would be a place where half of the society, that is, where one of the two most basic social groups, would be heavily discriminated, and that kind of society would die in an instant. So, yes, I stand my ground, comparing men and women's respective situations, on a given subject, as societal groups, makes a whole lot of sense, no matter if these respective situations are cause by biological differences or not. Now if you would be kind enough to explain me how the "physically demanding" part of your post applies to today's world, since in a developed country, most people work in non-physically demanding jobs, I'd like it, please. I'd like if you could explain me how it justifies women being widely underrepresented in powerful places like governments of heads of big firms too, I'm ready to be enlightened.
On March 11 2015 20:00 nasze_zrodlo wrote: "hardcore online games (call of duty)" LMAO. call of duty is the most casual game possible
This man is arguing the real argument that should be had. Which game is the most HARD CORE.
On March 11 2015 20:24 Ghostcom wrote: You guys need to agree on what defines an equal society: 1) a 50:50 representation of genders throughout all society or 2) equal opportunities regardless of gender.
Exactly and since one gender is currently repressed and has fewer opportunities, there need to be laws, systems and awareness raised to fix that. Glad we finally got there.
Which gender is that? The one underrepresented in government or the one massively overrepresented at the bottom rung of society, on the streets, committing suicide and discriminated against by both the law and the education system?
It takes an imbecile to swallow the feminist narrative. There are benefits and negatives to being of either gender, both biological and societal, and it is a nonsense to say that women are objectively worse off than men or that this comparison even has any value/meaning. You've been writing nonsense from the beginning of this thread. Most people feel an obligation to protect women, and there's nothing wrong with this - it's a natural instinct - but mollycoddling is repulsive. People who have a problem with the way other people behave in online games have the option of muting/reporting those people.
Sorry bud, saying that women are worse off than men when talking biologically is indeed a nonsense, but when talking about men and women as societal groups it makes a lot of sense and has a very legit value. Just like a comparison between two societal groups almost always make sense.
Yeah, because women on average can lift as much as men?
... I suggest you read my post again. If you still don't get it, here's the thing : -things such as alcohol tolerance or amount of weight that can be lifted is biological. -things such as average salary, amount of domestic violence received or given, or society-based discrimination in general is societal.
That implies the biological strenth advantage isn't what formed those societal 'discrimination' in the first place. If your job is physically demanding, and the average female is a couple standard deviation of strength weaker than men, doesn't it reason that there is going to be an obvious population bias towards having significantly more males in that job? Especially if you consider how normal curve scaling goes when talking about 2 groups whom's averages are off by standards of deviation.
Now if you would be kind enough to explain me how the "physically demanding" part of your post applies to today's world, since in a developed country, most people work in non-physically demanding jobs, I'd like it, please. I'd like if you could explain me how it justifies women being widely underrepresented in powerful places like governments of heads of big firms too, I'm ready to be enlightened.
Isn't that because men need to outcompete other men in order to acquire sex (and acquiring high quality mates) while an extremely high-earning woman won't get much added benefits in reproduction chances or mate quality for having such high economic status.
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