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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46426 Posts
March 04 2015 17:40 GMT
#301
On March 05 2015 02:19 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 23:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 04 2015 23:18 Cyro wrote:
On March 04 2015 22:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from.
What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.


The real colors are blue and black lol.


The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white


And the dress is blue and black...


Yea, but the pixels are a browny gold and slightly blue tinted white

The picture isn't a good representation of the actual color of the dress. The picture is white(blue tinted)+gold, but the actual dress is blue+black.


I know
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 17:53:23
March 04 2015 17:48 GMT
#302
On March 05 2015 02:19 Cyro wrote:
The picture is white(blue tinted)+gold


It's clearly blue (and brown), not white.

Still surprised anyone can see this as white (even on the dress) but I guess same goes to the other side with black/gold (though most of the dress is really dark brown which to me looks way closer to black than any of the shades of blue look white).

Again, computer colors is not the point of this thread anyway.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 18:10:09
March 04 2015 18:08 GMT
#303
Someone on YouTube posted two (bad) photoshops of the dress picture under clearly different lighting conditions:

http://i.imgur.com/pIQIm9I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xA9DV3x.jpg

Comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/VLb9XQO.jpg

Exactly the same colors used on both.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 18:30:53
March 04 2015 18:27 GMT
#304
On March 05 2015 01:03 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2015 23:41 Dingodile wrote:
Well you are trying to understand how blue turns white (your first sentence). Thats the mistake, do NOT retroactive accounting unless you see it black&blue.
I see white dress (real colour) because dress is under a shade (black/blue/violet-sunshield was my assume and sun from left angle) changes from white to a very light blue/violet tinted white. Dress is in shade, background has sun.

edit: if you see it black&blue then tell me the context/background (ofcourse before you know the answer)?!


Background has sun, front/side also has sun, sun hits dress, black part therefore looks goldish on the side and blue part looks like lighter blue. Dress is black and blue.

And of course I didn't mean "blue turns white" literally. I meant it as "seeing it white even though it's actually blue".

I dont see that sun hits dress. dress is at shadow unlike the background.

Edit: Do you mean sun hits dress from behind? I was thinking about sun forward left angle. I highly doubt that sun hits from behind, dress should have more brightness in that case I think.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 04 2015 18:37 GMT
#305
On March 05 2015 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 00:51 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On March 05 2015 00:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 05 2015 00:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On March 04 2015 23:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 04 2015 23:18 Cyro wrote:
On March 04 2015 22:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from.
What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.


The real colors are blue and black lol.


The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white


And the dress is blue and black...

So...what if it is?

Dingodile's point is that he belives that people percieves colour differences depending on whether their eyes are attuned to outdoor/indoor light. I reply and clarify that that I, like many others, see the true colours of the picture, thus rendering his point invalid for many people.

You again reply that the dress of which the image was taken of is blue and black. I suppose you will repeat that the dress is blue and black ad infinitum even despite what the colours of the image actually is.Ok...I suspect that thinking logicaly isn't your forte.


I wasn't responding to Dingodile; I was responding to your statement that blue and brown were the real colors of the dress, instead of blue and black. I was correcting your mistake of brown instead of black. You may not appreciate the correction, but accusing me of not thinking logically is a rather random and personal attack Thanks!

And I am responding to Dingodile. When did I ever say what the real colours of the dress was? I clarified twice that I was talking about the colours seen in the image, yet you insist yet again that the colours of the dress is blue and black. At this point you are just being deliberately obtuse. Thanks!


You said the "real colours" were "blue&brown", which is what I replied to in the first place -.-' So now we've come full circle. I'm not sure if you're trying to troll me or you just have really bad memory, but I don't think there's anything else to add to your correction. If you're honestly still confused about the colors, SKC lays it out really nicely a few posts above mine. Maybe that'll help you more.

This is a forum with recorded posts. I've clarified twice that I am refering to the image, yet you insist I am talkign about the dress. You are so dearly confused or purposely obstinate. Either way, there really isn't a point to talk with someone who despite recorded posts insists that one party was talking about something they did not, in order to "prove" themselves right.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 18:49:14
March 04 2015 18:48 GMT
#306
Still surprised anyone can see this as white (even on the dress)


Because there's a huge amount of red and green in the color. It's not flat white (100/100/100) but it's much closer to flat white than it is to pure blue (0/0/100). It's clearly blue tinted, but white is the dominant color (to what my eyes originally saw, and via digital examination of the pic)

On March 05 2015 03:08 PoP wrote:
Someone on YouTube posted two (bad) photoshops of the dress picture under clearly different lighting conditions:

http://i.imgur.com/pIQIm9I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xA9DV3x.jpg

Comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/VLb9XQO.jpg

Exactly the same colors used on both.


Nice
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
March 04 2015 19:12 GMT
#307
On March 05 2015 03:27 Dingodile wrote:
I dont see that sun hits dress. dress is at shadow unlike the background.

Edit: Do you mean sun hits dress from behind? I was thinking about sun forward left angle. I highly doubt that sun hits from behind, dress should have more brightness in that case I think.


I don't know if that's the same sun as the light we can see on the background, but it's light coming from somewhere on the front and/or side. If you look at the dark part on top of the dress, it's definitely hit by light on the rightmost part of that.

Actually a whole "column" of light can be perceived towards the middle (slightly towards the left) of the whole dress.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 19:26:11
March 04 2015 19:23 GMT
#308
On March 05 2015 03:48 Cyro wrote:
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Still surprised anyone can see this as white (even on the dress)


Because there's a huge amount of red and green in the color. It's not flat white (100/100/100) but it's much closer to flat white than it is to pure blue (0/0/100). It's clearly blue tinted, but white is the dominant color (to what my eyes originally saw, and via digital examination of the pic)


Well I'm not a color expert but every article/document/video I've seen using photoshop or similar tools (including tweets from the Adobe company itself during the big buzz) have mentioned the color is absolutely blue (other being (dark) brown), no question about it. I would also gladly eat a hat if anyone with normal eyes would ever think "white" looking at the rectangles I posted earlier. Maybe grey/blue, skyblue (for the first one) or something, but that's it.

But this is a totally different "debate" from the actual topic of this thread, and a much less fascinating one.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 19:29:41
March 04 2015 19:28 GMT
#309
I sampled one color a few days ago

it was 131, 140, 195.

White would have been 131, 131, 131 - but there was a very very slight bias towards green, and a more heavy bias towards blue.

Blue would have been 0, 0, 195. The 131 and 140 are extremely significant. It doesn't look solid white when placed against a light background, but it's miles away from blue (especially when placed on backgrounds of every color)
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 20:07:37
March 04 2015 19:36 GMT
#310
http://www.colorhexa.com/838cc3

#838cc3 color description : Slightly desaturated blue

http://hex.wikimix.info/en/color-838cc3

The hexadecimal color #838cc3 is a color blue whose [...]

http://encycolorpedia.com/838cc3

"The hexadecimal color code #838cc3 is a medium light shade of blue. [...]

etc etc

Can people at least agree on something in this thread
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 04 2015 20:19 GMT
#311
There is more than one shade of blue, wtf. Next thing people are going to say TL's background isn't blue.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 05 2015 00:04 GMT
#312
On March 05 2015 03:08 PoP wrote:
Someone on YouTube posted two (bad) photoshops of the dress picture under clearly different lighting conditions:

http://i.imgur.com/pIQIm9I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xA9DV3x.jpg

Comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/VLb9XQO.jpg

Exactly the same colors used on both.

Ummm, some people read tl from work. Please nsfw that.
nemus
Profile Joined February 2010
9 Posts
March 05 2015 05:05 GMT
#313
On March 05 2015 03:08 PoP wrote:
Someone on YouTube posted two (bad) photoshops of the dress picture under clearly different lighting conditions:

http://i.imgur.com/pIQIm9I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xA9DV3x.jpg

Comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/VLb9XQO.jpg

Exactly the same colors used on both.


I can see blue/black dress!!! I can move on now lol
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
March 05 2015 11:26 GMT
#314
difference between indoor and outdoor light is that outdoor has a lot more blue color in it (R/G/B).
blue + red = violet. violet - blue =red. Gets it?!

blue - blue = white
gold - blue = (light) gold

indoor has basically no blue. thats why the color of bulb looks very yellowish (compared to outdoor light).
blue - yellow = (dark) blue
gold - yellow = black

Your brain already do this in subconscious mind.
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MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 05:39:01
March 06 2015 05:30 GMT
#315
On March 05 2015 00:31 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 00:21 SKC wrote:
This is a black wall under direct lighthting:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


It goes from basically white to black. This debate is like picking a close up section somewhat close to the lighting souce and argue wether you can still tell the wall is black or you must say it is golden because that's what the the color of the pixels for that particular section.

Oh wow that picture. Look at the bulb, gold and white around the bulb. Maybe they put a bulb under that dress outside?!


The color of the moon is actually the color of asphalt. Although when we look up at night it is white most of the time. And then because of the refraction near the horizon, it's sometimes yellow, orange, etc. And during a lunar eclipse (a shadow on it) it is also red, orange, pinkish for the same reasons.


All of these things are similar to what happens in the lighting of the picture and the refraction of the lens of the camera afaik.

The main source of the debate is how the picture subtly gives us the option of choosing whether the dress is under tons of light, or is in a shaded place via top right and forgeground. So people's brains that see the opposites are filling in the missing data from either of those options. It's not really about some people being better or worse, it's probably more just a random thing.


So the real debate that people don't understand is where this person actually is in relation to the background.
The people seeing the darker colors are assuming that the person is directly in the lighting, while the people seeing the lighter colors are assuming the person is standing under an umbrella or something outside. Since we know the colors of the dress are actually blue and black (although we don't actually know how faded/old the dress is IRL) we can assume that the person is actually not standing under an umbrella, and that is the optical illusion.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 05:37:24
March 06 2015 05:36 GMT
#316
On March 05 2015 03:08 PoP wrote:
Someone on YouTube posted two (bad) photoshops of the dress picture under clearly different lighting conditions:

http://i.imgur.com/pIQIm9I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xA9DV3x.jpg

Comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/VLb9XQO.jpg

Exactly the same colors used on both.


wow to me the one on the left looked photoshopped to appear white and gold because that's what i see 23r3gaf
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MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
March 06 2015 05:40 GMT
#317
On March 06 2015 14:36 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 03:08 PoP wrote:
Someone on YouTube posted two (bad) photoshops of the dress picture under clearly different lighting conditions:

http://i.imgur.com/pIQIm9I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xA9DV3x.jpg

Comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/VLb9XQO.jpg

Exactly the same colors used on both.


wow to me the one on the left looked photoshopped to appear white and gold because that's what i see 23r3gaf



If you take your left hand and make an L shape around her dress swap back and forth between 2 images you can actually see that the dress is the exact same color while the background is getting more or less lighting filters put on.

And that's how this optical illusion tricks the brain into thinking the colors are different than they actually are.
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