Whoa, this meme has suddenly flooded the internet. It looks gold and really light blue to me. But I think it depends on your monitor. But in the end it doesn't matter, since it's just a bad picture anyways, haha.
"To be honest, I don't really understand the point of this thread though. ALl of this is going to change in LotV." "As far as I know, none of my clothes come from cambodia." "Do you jerk off to them?"---you are troll and troll like a troll.
Even the title is troll, you honestly just like to argue. will someone close this please>>
On February 27 2015 14:38 tokinho wrote: "To be honest, I don't really understand the point of this thread though. ALl of this is going to change in LotV." "As far as I know, none of my clothes come from cambodia." "Do you jerk off to them?"---you are troll and troll like a troll.
Even the title is troll, you honestly just like to argue. will someone close this please>>
lol thanks for following me so closely, troll/ nice thread derail attempt tho.
Well this has grown quickly...I have seen this question put forth on both a twitch stream and facebook. This is the 1st picture that I have seen of it where it looks White/Gold though. It does look like a different picture from the one I saw earlier so maybe the internet is losing its mind over this is due to multiple pictures going around + lots of trolling?
i first saw it as white gold, but it faded quickly to the real colour of gold-brown + lavender, i guess the fluorescent lighting in my room made the difference on the first glance.
Compliments to xkcd, exactly the same as MarlieChurly's one, but with colors similar to the dress example.
Edit: the point of course is that dress color is the same on both sides, only background changes, like the tiles A and B exactly have the same colors in the first example.
This is a strange one. To me the dress itself is obviously blue and black, but I'm looking at it with a fuzz of lens flare and high-iso noise over the top.
The XKCD image does illustrate how our eyes compensate for ambient light, but it doesn't explain anything here.
Look at it carefully: the XKCD picture in which the dress looks white is in a dark blue environment, so our eyes say "That must be a very bright pale dress to appear the way it does". But the dress in the OP is in a very bright, yellow environment (like the right-hand XKCD image) - so why are people seeing it as white?
there's something more than contrast at work here. the reflective/hue effect of the strong background light can make you think that the colors are not from the dress.
when i first looked at the dress though it looked nothing like the rebalanced blue/black image, but after seeing that image and going back to the original it does look really blue/black. pretty weird and neat
On February 27 2015 22:16 Oshuy wrote: Yeyy let's get stupid !
Compliments to xkcd, exactly the same as MarlieChurly's one, but with colors similar to the dress example.
Edit: the point of course is that dress color is the same on both sides, only background changes, like the tiles A and B exactly have the same colors in the first example.
This doesn't even help. I still see blue and black.
The reason why the checkered floor illusion works is that it's only using the intensity adjustment that's automatic in our brains. There is no hue or saturation difference.
At first I see it as gold/white, but after reading through some comments and someone pic "analysis" that the actual color is blue/gold brown. I am NOW seeing it as blue/gold brown
Its really one of those nifty optical illusions that really depends on how your brain wants to mess with you
On February 27 2015 23:20 Umpteen wrote: This is a strange one. To me the dress itself is obviously blue and black, but I'm looking at it with a fuzz of lens flare and high-iso noise over the top.
The XKCD image does illustrate how our eyes compensate for ambient light, but it doesn't explain anything here.
Look at it carefully: the XKCD picture in which the dress looks white is in a dark blue environment, so our eyes say "That must be a very bright pale dress to appear the way it does". But the dress in the OP is in a very bright, yellow environment (like the right-hand XKCD image) - so why are people seeing it as white?
It roughly the same thing. Depends if your brain interprets a bright lighting on the whole image (in which case the dress is in the light and blue/black) or if it interprets the dress as in the shadow against an overexposed background (say taken from inside a shop with a sunny street behind), in which case the dress registers as white.
On February 27 2015 23:33 c0ldfusion wrote: I still think everyone who says it's gold/white is a troll. -_-'
I can see it possible to be very light blue, but i don't see anyway that can be black. It looks gold/white to me, even looking at explanation threads and seeing loads of other editted and anotated pictures.
Maybe if someone posted a picture of the dress on a table with light above the dress, l can see blue/black
On February 27 2015 23:51 BallinWitStalin wrote: How are people getting black out of this?
blue-gold for me.
The blue I can see people mistaking for white.
But I really don't get how that gold is supposed to be black.
People can see how lighting can add an yellow tint to the black dress. So even if it looks yellowish, they can see that the dress was originally black. The whole picture seems to be affected by an yellowish light.
The opposite is actually harder imo. I can't see how lighting would make a white dress this blue. Diferent shades of blue, like the XKCD pic sure, but it's always at least a light blue.
I've never seen gold/white. I could understand people saying blue/dirty gold, but for me it's black and blue. Not to mention the real dress is actually black and blue.
On February 27 2015 23:51 BallinWitStalin wrote: How are people getting black out of this?
blue-gold for me.
The blue I can see people mistaking for white.
But I really don't get how that gold is supposed to be black.
People can see how lighting can add an yellow tint to the black dress. So even if it looks yellowish, they can see that the dress was originally black. The whole picture seems to be affect by an yellowish light.
The opposite is actually harder imo. I can't see how lighting would make a white dress this blue. Diferent shades of blue, like the XKCD pic sure, but it's always at least a light blue.
Whites are never accurate on these crappy cameras.
And even high end dslr's you often see amateur photographers completely bodge the white balance. So this is perfectly normal really.
But yeah I guess the dress is black/blue after all. That's some mighty bad photograph. :D
On February 27 2015 23:51 BallinWitStalin wrote: How are people getting black out of this?
blue-gold for me.
The blue I can see people mistaking for white.
But I really don't get how that gold is supposed to be black.
People can see how lighting can add an yellow tint to the black dress. So even if it looks yellowish, they can see that the dress was originally black. The whole picture seems to be affected by an yellowish light.
The opposite is actually harder imo. I can't see how lighting would make a white dress this blue. Diferent shades of blue, like the XKCD pic sure, but it's always at least a light blue.
How can lighting make black appear brown/gold? Black does not reflect light rays, no matter what color the light is.
For me, there are too many elements of the picture screaming "Bright lighting conditions" for my eyes to see anything other than a blue and black dress with a bit of yellowish light reflecting off the black lace and hi-iso noise
Look at the background: very bright everywhere. No indication at all that this dress is in shade.
Look at the shiny highlights on the dress and jacket: clearly there's a fairly tight, bright light source illuminating those surfaces, not a large, dim, indirect bounce-light.
On February 27 2015 23:51 BallinWitStalin wrote: How are people getting black out of this?
blue-gold for me.
The blue I can see people mistaking for white.
But I really don't get how that gold is supposed to be black.
People can see how lighting can add an yellow tint to the black dress. So even if it looks yellowish, they can see that the dress was originally black. The whole picture seems to be affected by an yellowish light.
The opposite is actually harder imo. I can't see how lighting would make a white dress this blue. Diferent shades of blue, like the XKCD pic sure, but it's always at least a light blue.
How can lighting make black appear brown/gold? Black does not reflect light rays, no matter what color the light is.
You are taking it way too literally. With poor saturation/brightness/etc levels black can look gold. If you need an example, check the OP. A black dress looks gold.
On February 27 2015 23:51 BallinWitStalin wrote: How are people getting black out of this?
blue-gold for me.
The blue I can see people mistaking for white.
But I really don't get how that gold is supposed to be black.
People can see how lighting can add an yellow tint to the black dress. So even if it looks yellowish, they can see that the dress was originally black. The whole picture seems to be affected by an yellowish light.
The opposite is actually harder imo. I can't see how lighting would make a white dress this blue. Diferent shades of blue, like the XKCD pic sure, but it's always at least a light blue.
How can lighting make black appear brown/gold? Black does not reflect light rays, no matter what color the light is.
On February 27 2015 23:51 BallinWitStalin wrote: How are people getting black out of this?
blue-gold for me.
The blue I can see people mistaking for white.
But I really don't get how that gold is supposed to be black.
People can see how lighting can add an yellow tint to the black dress. So even if it looks yellowish, they can see that the dress was originally black. The whole picture seems to be affected by an yellowish light.
The opposite is actually harder imo. I can't see how lighting would make a white dress this blue. Diferent shades of blue, like the XKCD pic sure, but it's always at least a light blue.
How can lighting make black appear brown/gold? Black does not reflect light rays, no matter what color the light is.
Oh come on, really?
Coal would like a word with you.
I'm not crazy, I swear Look, wikipedia agrees with me! That coal must not be absolutely black!
Black is the color of coal, ebony, and of outer space.[1] It is the darkest color, the result of the absence of or complete absorption of light. It is the opposite of white and often represents darkness in contrast with light.[2]
On February 27 2015 23:51 BallinWitStalin wrote: How are people getting black out of this?
blue-gold for me.
The blue I can see people mistaking for white.
But I really don't get how that gold is supposed to be black.
People can see how lighting can add an yellow tint to the black dress. So even if it looks yellowish, they can see that the dress was originally black. The whole picture seems to be affected by an yellowish light.
The opposite is actually harder imo. I can't see how lighting would make a white dress this blue. Diferent shades of blue, like the XKCD pic sure, but it's always at least a light blue.
How can lighting make black appear brown/gold? Black does not reflect light rays, no matter what color the light is.
You are taking it way too literally. With poor saturation/brightness/etc levels black can look gold. If you need an example, check the OP. A black dress looks gold.
There are several ways by which light can leave a surface and be seen, the ones we need to care about here being:
1. Reflection 2. Absorption and re-radiation
When we call something 'black' we generally mean that it does not re-radiate any of the light it absorbs. But it can still reflect light, and that reflected light is, almost invariably, the same colour as the lightsource. That's how a red car can reflect a blue sky:
A perfectly matte, perfectly black object would (barring lens flare or hi-iso noise) always look black. But lace is not perfectly matte. It doesn't re-radiate much light but it does reflect it, hence the yellowish reflections on the OP image.
At the other extreme a mirror is, technically, also black - but it's highly reflective.
Also, neon colours look so bright because the surface absorbs many different frequencies of light and then emits (nearly) all of it at one frequency.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
My brain honestly can't figure out how A and B are same color, considering that A is same color as every other dark cell and my brain refuses to accept that B is not light cell.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
My brain honestly can't figure out how A and B are same color, considering that A is same color as every other dark cell and my brain refuses to accept that B is not light cell.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
My brain honestly can't figure out how A and B are same color, considering that A is same color as every other dark cell and my brain refuses to accept that B is not light cell.
The letters. Not the cells.
Now i can't understand how not-color-blind person would think that A and B are different colors.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
I still see a shadow darkened white and gold, changing angle or contrast or looking at it later does not change anything. Still don't understand how it could be anything else
I see a dress of white mixed in with some blue, and gold-ish parts as well. Turns out if you increase the brightness enough everything becomes white. Is the dress black in real life? Maybe. I can't tell, and don't have to either. All I got is this crappy picture, and the colors on this picture are clearly white/gold dominated with some blue mixed in. Still no idea what this thread is all about though.
The first time I saw this it was blue/back from my girlfriends phone. Now I've been staring at this for the past hour and I can't see anything but white/gold. There is a light bluish tint to the white but that appears to be shade. I don't know how I was once able to see blue/black but now I can't. Now it seems crazy to me that people are seeing blue and black..
It’s pretty simple. If the lighting in the room was as blue as the light in the background suggests, the color of the dress would be white and gold. So if your eyes try to compensate for the blue light, you think it’s white and gold. If your eyes instead correctly pick up the white and the red in the background, you compensate for the fact that blue tones could be washed out instead of increased (as we can see from other pictures of the dress that they clearly are) and you interpret the blue as being the color of the dress rather than the light.
How you see it probably depends a lot on the white balance you’re used to on phone cams, web cams, etc. Most people think it’s white and gold because most people are used to seeing bluish white balance on poor camera images.
If you don’t even understand how people can see white and gold, then use your web cam and tinker with the white balance for a white clothing article. You barely need to nudge it to make white look the exact shade of blue as in this picture.
Anyways, if you see it as white and gold, look at the white fabric to the left of the dress and the red spot to the right of it, then stop looking at the picture. Come back to it a while later and look at the fabric to the left and the red spot again, then the dress. It will be blue.
I really don’t think the illusion has much to do with shadow, just that the lighting in the upper right corner has a bluish haze, and we easily assume that the rest of the lighting is also blue or the white balance on the camera is blue, tinting the light in the first place. Seeing the right light in the picture depends on picking out the reference points that cancel out the assumption of blue light; in fact the greater light source is yellow.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
except that dress is not the dress in the op.
a bunch of ppl are calling the people who see white/gold crazy, but white/gold is winning the polls
a bunch of people are saying the true color of the dress is black blue but we have yet to see proof and pictures of the original dress without lighting tricks
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
except that dress is not the dress in the op
It is? Unless there has been some new development that I'm missing.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
except that dress is not the dress in the op
It is? Unless there has been some new development that I'm missing.
original pic has huge ass sleeves, the pic you posted has cut off. The "fixed" pic you posted is just a photoshopped pic, not an actual undoctored pic under normal lighting
This is one of the things that make me feel too old for the internet. So many people comment on a completely mundane image of completely mundane dress as if it were the Second coming. What the fuck is so interesting about the fact that if you change brightness of a picture, colors look different, as well as if you take images with bad exposure? What is ambiguous about colors on an image which can be easily once for ever measured in any graphics program, as it is done at the very beginning of this thread?
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
except that dress is not the dress in the op
It is? Unless there has been some new development that I'm missing.
original pic has huge ass sleeves, the pic you posted has cut off. The "fixed" pic you posted is just a photoshopped pic, not an actual undoctored pic under normal lighting
That's a coat. Not the sleeves. Here is another pic: + Show Spoiler +
The interesting thing about it is that people seem to see completelly diferent colors. Even after messing with brightness setting and such. I can't think of another optical illusion that works like that.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
except that dress is not the dress in the op
It is? Unless there has been some new development that I'm missing.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
except that dress is not the dress in the op
It is? Unless there has been some new development that I'm missing.
original pic has huge ass sleeves, the pic you posted has cut off. The "fixed" pic you posted is just a photoshopped pic, not an actual undoctored pic under normal lighting
That's a coat. Not the sleeves. Here is another pic: + Show Spoiler +
Here is an examp of how we percieve the blue as white:
On February 28 2015 01:00 Technique wrote: [quote] This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
except that dress is not the dress in the op
It is? Unless there has been some new development that I'm missing.
original pic has huge ass sleeves, the pic you posted has cut off. The "fixed" pic you posted is just a photoshopped pic, not an actual undoctored pic under normal lighting
That's a coat. Not the sleeves. Here is another pic: + Show Spoiler +
Here is an examp of how we percieve the blue as white:
But if it's a picture of blue snow, it's a completelly diferent issue. The sky also isn't actually blue. Everyone can see Ice being blue in certain ocasions. In the same way we know water isn't blue. But sometimes it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ice_(glacial)
On February 28 2015 01:46 SolaR- wrote: The first time I saw this it was blue/back from my girlfriends phone. Now I've been staring at this for the past hour and I can't see anything but white/gold. There is a light bluish tint to the white but that appears to be shade. I don't know how I was once able to see blue/black but now I can't. Now it seems crazy to me that people are seeing blue and black..
On February 28 2015 01:16 Plansix wrote: [quote] The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
except that dress is not the dress in the op
It is? Unless there has been some new development that I'm missing.
original pic has huge ass sleeves, the pic you posted has cut off. The "fixed" pic you posted is just a photoshopped pic, not an actual undoctored pic under normal lighting
That's a coat. Not the sleeves. Here is another pic: + Show Spoiler +
Here is an examp of how we percieve the blue as white:
But if it's a picture of blue snow, it's a completelly diferent issue. The sky also isn't actually blue. Everyone can see Ice being blue in certain ocasions. In the same way we know water isn't blue. But sometimes it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ice_(glacial)
snow is different from water and the sky? water and sky is percieved as blue because of refraction. the snow isn't refracting light, its reflecting light in the same manner (due to the darkened lighting} that makes the majority of us percieve the dress as white
On February 28 2015 01:57 opisska wrote: This is one of the things that make me feel too old for the internet. So many people comment on a completely mundane image of completely mundane dress as if it were the Second coming. What the fuck is so interesting about the fact that if you change brightness of a picture, colors look different, as well as if you take images with bad exposure? What is ambiguous about colors on an image which can be easily once for ever measured in any graphics program, as it is done at the very beginning of this thread?
I just don't get it.
No matter the lighting conditions (even angle or anything else) I always see blue and black, without any hesitation (a bit brown/goldish looking but I feel like the dress is black).
It's not just a matter of brightness, it's a really interesting case. Agree that the buzz level has been a bit too high for "just" something like this though.
On February 28 2015 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's a cute little illusion because of the poor/ reflected quality of the dress, but it's actually a black and blue dress.
yeah it looks white/gold (but apparently not to everyone which is weird) because the picture's overexposed
On February 28 2015 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's a cute little illusion because of the poor/ reflected quality of the dress, but it's actually a black and blue dress.
yeah it looks white/gold (but apparently not to everyone which is weird) because the picture's overexposed
I saw it in white/gold until I saw the photo of the actual dress of blue and black. Now I see the dress in blue and black. Neat little illusion.
There was a science talk on NPR and they were mentioning that color can be affected by your thyroid levels. The being said, as a color blind person, I see white and yellow and it doesn't bother me if you see it differently. Welcome to my world! It's not that fascinating!
Your brain is just trying to create a context and it's one or the other, even changing when looking at it again. Apparently the most interesting thing in the internet this year, what a time to be alive.
On February 28 2015 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's a cute little illusion because of the poor/ reflected quality of the dress, but it's actually a black and blue dress.
yeah it looks white/gold (but apparently not to everyone which is weird) because the picture's overexposed
That's what makes it interesting. If it was an optical illusion that fooled everybody, nobody would care. It's the different answers that people came up with that made it explode like it did.
I still don't believe there is any illusion at all. It's either people trolling to go along with the idea of the illusion, or just people with very badly calibrated monitors.
On February 28 2015 02:40 opisska wrote: I still don't believe there is any illusion at all. It's either people trolling to go along with the idea of the illusion, or just people with very badly calibrated monitors.
nope. I can see it white/gold a d black/blue on the same screen without changing any brightness. I am on my smart phone. It just all depends on how you look at it, and the way your eyes focus on the background.
Just saw it blue/black for the first time. Then it went back to white (or pale blue)/gold. Can't get it back to black/blue no matter how I scroll/look D:
Your brain is just trying to create a context and it's one or the other, even changing when looking at it again. Apparently the most interesting thing in the internet this year, what a time to be alive.
If you look at the cow pattern fabric behind the dress you get the 'colour balance' of the scene. So you can see what white and black look like. since the dress doesnt have a blue spotlight on it it is blue and black. under with an over exposed yellow cast.
On February 28 2015 02:45 marvellosity wrote: Just saw it blue/black for the first time. Then it went back to white (or pale blue)/gold. Can't get it back to black/blue no matter how I scroll/look D:
try looking at another picture of the dress with the colors fixed then go back to the original image and you should be able to see black and blue again. That is what usually works for me.
IDK may be it has something to do with the fact that I have done too much DTP and can not only see immediately roughly what colors are in an image, but also how bad it would look on paper in our cheap 4-colour print on various kinds of paper... but I just see no way to misinterpret these colours. The dress takes most of the picture, so there is no real way to "immerse" in the scene, making the rest of the image largely irrelevant - and then it's just two kinds of pretty homogeneous areas with pretty clear hues.
It's the same with me. No matter how I messed with setting or diferent screens, it was always obviously blue. It's a much darker blue than TL's background.. But that's what makes it interesting.
Your brain is just trying to create a context and it's one or the other, even changing when looking at it again. Apparently the most interesting thing in the internet this year, what a time to be alive.
If you look at the cow pattern fabric behind the dress you get the 'colour balance' of the scene. So you can see what white and black look like. since the dress doesnt have a blue spotlight on it it is blue and black. under with an over exposed yellow cast.
Yeah, i can't see the white/gold anymore since i actually saw another pic of the dress and all the other "research" that's out there. Thing is though, it's all about the first glance and how your brain sees it at that moment, i'm not sure if it's possible to try to rationalize yourself to see anything else IF you don't actually know what it is you're looking at.
On February 28 2015 02:50 opisska wrote: IDK may be it has something to do with the fact that I have done too much DTP and can not only see immediately roughly what colors are in an image, but also how bad it would look on paper in our cheap 4-colour print on various kinds of paper... but I just see no way to misinterpret these colours. The dress takes most of the picture, so there is no real way to "immerse" in the scene, making the rest of the image largely irrelevant - and then it's just two kinds of pretty homogeneous areas with pretty clear hues.
Fortunately you don't have to get it, you can just let other people enjoy themselves.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
My brain honestly can't figure out how A and B are same color, considering that A is same color as every other dark cell and my brain refuses to accept that B is not light cell.
The letters. Not the cells.
Oooooh. I was seriously confused. Thinking the squares were supposed to be the same color. I see the letters A and B as the same color though. Same with the xkcd picture. No matter the background the dresses have exactly the same colors to me (white-blueish and gold). At least now I know what that was all about when I saw it at xkcd earlier. I just saw identical dresses in different backgrounds and was a little confused at what it was supposed to say.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
My brain honestly can't figure out how A and B are same color, considering that A is same color as every other dark cell and my brain refuses to accept that B is not light cell.
The letters. Not the cells.
Oooooh. I was seriously confused. Thinking the squares were supposed to be the same color. I see the letters A and B as the same color though. Same with the xkcd picture. No matter the background they have exactly the same colors to me. At least now I know what that was all about when I saw it at xkcd earlier. I just saw identical dresses in different backgrounds and was a little confused at what it was supposed to say.
It is the squares. I was wrong, thinking of a diferent illusion.
For those illusions, you should be seeing diferent colors. Everyone does. It's wrong, but it is consistent.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
My brain honestly can't figure out how A and B are same color, considering that A is same color as every other dark cell and my brain refuses to accept that B is not light cell.
The letters. Not the cells.
Oooooh. I was seriously confused. Thinking the squares were supposed to be the same color. I see the letters A and B as the same color though. Same with the xkcd picture. No matter the background the dresses have exactly the same colors to me (white-blueish and gold). At least now I know what that was all about when I saw it at xkcd earlier. I just saw identical dresses in different backgrounds and was a little confused at what it was supposed to say.
The tiles represented by A and B are also the same colour. Take your hand and cover up most of the drawing so you just see the two colours without context
OK I just came back to this thread in a room with different lighting and for a second or two I saw white/gold (I thought someone had switched the image!)
On February 28 2015 02:55 Orek wrote: No matter how many times I look at it, it just looks like blue(violet?)/gold. Neither white/gold or blue/black happens to me.
We need to start building an underground substructure of sane people to rule the world when everybody else will lose their ability to percieve reality.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
My brain honestly can't figure out how A and B are same color, considering that A is same color as every other dark cell and my brain refuses to accept that B is not light cell.
The letters. Not the cells.
Oooooh. I was seriously confused. Thinking the squares were supposed to be the same color. I see the letters A and B as the same color though. Same with the xkcd picture. No matter the background the dresses have exactly the same colors to me (white-blueish and gold). At least now I know what that was all about when I saw it at xkcd earlier. I just saw identical dresses in different backgrounds and was a little confused at what it was supposed to say.
The tiles represented by A and B are also the same colour. Take your hand and cover up most of the drawing so you just see the two colours without context
I found it more effective to just pick a color in GIMP and compare those. Turns out they are absolutely same. Damn, i went insane on this one, all hail Skynet.
Talking about optical illusions, the orange middle square and the top brown square are actually exactly the same color. It's impossible to believe at first.
turned my monitor brightness all the way down, looks black/blue, turned it back all the way up and it looks white/gold again
i think the difference in perception has to do with monitor glare. when there's glare on the screen it cancels out the yellow light and makes the dress look black/blue, when there's no glare the yellow light in the picture makes the dress look white/gold
I'm trying really hard to see it as blue + black. But nope, yellow and white to me regardless of how far away I look at it from, whether it's my monitor or cellphone, different brightness.
Pretty neat.
When I saw this on Facebook initially, I thought this was going to be this troll thing, like that fairy tale where a king gets a dress made out of gold and silver, and the one's who make it, keep all the gold and silver, and say tell the king the dress looks beautiful, and anyone who can't see it is stupid. And so the king is naked, but nobody wants to look stupid, so everyone admires his dress.
On February 28 2015 02:55 Orek wrote: No matter how many times I look at it, it just looks like blue(violet?)/gold. Neither white/gold or blue/black happens to me.
We need to start building an underground substructure of sane people to rule the world when everybody else will lose their ability to percieve reality.
I can see black in the cow pattern in the background. The dress looks nothing like it until I go below 10 in the contrast setting when everything looks black. The only way to tell is to look it up in an image editing program though, as somebody did on the first page.
There it is shown to be gold and blue (on my screen). Nowhere near the white or black on the scale.
On February 28 2015 06:46 Laserist wrote: What black, seriously guys. Stop trolling , there is no black.
What white, seriously guys. Stop trolling, there is no white.
It's obviously not pure/perfect black we're seeing (just like you're probably not seeing perfect white on the other stripes). It's like black-ish with a golden tone generated by the reflected light.
I see pretty clear blue and black, I can tell though that there is light reflecting on the black that gives it some gold-ish tone as previous people said
Honestly? I see it as white + bronze/light brown. I can settle on gold. My mind is blown that people see black and blue there. I haven't yet read the whole thread, but before reading it i can only deduce their gamma of their monitor is fucked up O.o
On February 28 2015 07:16 Latham wrote: Honestly? I see it as white + bronze/light brown. I can settle on gold. My mind is blown that people see black and blue there. I haven't yet read the whole thread, but before reading it i can only deduce their gamma of their monitor is fucked up O.o
Nope, different people see different colors on the exact same color on the exact same screen. Happened in my office and to many other.
I'm beginning to think I've been trolled. I tried all adjustments of gamma/brightness possible on both monitors to make it appear black and blue... it remains white and gold/beige.
Only skimmed through the first pages of this thread. Have you guys ruled out dyschromatopsia? No clue...
On February 28 2015 07:27 phrenetiC wrote: I'm beginning to think I've been trolled. I tried all adjustments of gamma/brightness possible on both monitors to make it appear black and blue... it remains white and gold/beige.
Only skimmed through the first pages of this thread. Have you guys ruled out dyschromatopsia? No clue...
No, everyone sees the same thing.
Everyone also makes completely different assumptions on how natural lighting and photo quality are screwing up the original colours.
for the people who see it white and gold, try comparing the dress with the fabric at the bottom left, the one that's like cows (black and white) you can compare the actual white and the blue of the dress
On February 28 2015 07:37 PoP wrote: Those are the three main shades of the lighter color in the dress btw. How some (most) people can see this as white is pretty amazing to me.
Again, the question isn't "what colours are in this picture?" It's "what colours do you think this dress is?"
Well, every other picture of that dress i saw today magically turned from blueish-white+brown-ish gold into blue-black. Except the one in OP. Geto boys song was never as relevant.
This whole thing really is the pinnacle of internet. People perceive it differently and everyone is absolutely certain that they are right and anyone else who perceives it differently is stupid, crazy or at least color blind. They are so sure of it that the thought of someone perceiving it differently angers them. It really is fascinating. Remember kids, colors aren't real!
I just showed someone the picture, in the same screen I saw it. She cannot believe it is anything but pure white. I have never been able to see anything but blue. So it really isn't just about brightness levels in the monitor or anything like that. It's kinda crazy.
People who "see" black most likely saw true picture and trying to brag how they have super vision, when in reality people who see black are wrong. There is nothing black on that photo. Yea the dress is black and blue in reality, but in photo its gold blue.
The dress has a 'real' color and a 'perceived color' despite people being shown in every way possible that the dress is clearly actually blue many peoples eyes/brains can't see it differently.
Both sides are sure of what they see but the reality is what the reality is, even if all one can see is white and gold.
Black vs gold is a diferent issue. People see how satured the image is and can see how a faded black could look yellowish. The question is what color is the dress afterall, not what color you are looking at.
They still seem to see a darker color than those who see white, but I don't think a lot of people actually see true pure black.
There are very few clothes that are actually black. Most blacks are usually very deep blue or deep brown. This one is a very deep brown, but with insane lighting, it shows more brown than black. But you can guess that it's supposed to be black from the context.
Likewise, there is nothing white in that blue, yet people claim it is white. Some are amazed that they saw different colors when they looked at it again. Yet, this happens pretty much all the time for colorblind people. Since you often have to guess at colors, sometimes you get it wrong, and if someone tells you the real color, it often changes in front of your very eyes.
I guess people who are used to think of colors/perception as absolutes have a hard time wrapping their head around this simple illusion/crappy photo. But your brain is a huge part of your vision, and sometimes, it is wrong.
Yeah, you either assume that the photo is saturated and has lighting exposure issues so all the colours are faded and washed out, or you assume that the shadows and the light through the glass is causing odd tinting.
The diference is that people see it as brown, and make the conclusion that the brown should be black, while people that see white see no blue at all. It is as white as a sheet of paper.
If you were to argue with someone that said they saw black, that it actually looks browish, I'm sure most would agree.
I think the biggest thing for this is that the picture of the dress itself is affected by the light source. People show the colors are not what other people say using evidence from photo programs. The problem itself however is not in WHAT people are seeing, but HOW they perceive it. The dress is in fact black and blue, but apparently some people cannot understand light sources correctly and see that the dress's color is obviously being affected making it seem that it is indeed probably white and gold or whatever to them. The photo programs are not going to say WHAT color something is, but simply show you the same color according to the computer itself. What the computer says however is only as good as you can understand, and what the computer says through a program is not itself an answer.
This has nothing to do with the receptors of our eyes but simply how we understand information about something. It is not unlikely that people misunderstood the light source from the get go, though I myself saw and understood it instantly. The dress is definitely black and blue in real life, but the picture itself is affected by a light source.
Yeah thats why i don't trust those kind of images, its imposible to prove (the way i see it) which color it is, or if people are just trolling. http://i.imgur.com/mOk1CPT.png Thats the problem with the internet, you cannot trust anybody.
ALso, i've have read that the real dress is bluish-gold on some sites and on others that it is blue and black.
On February 28 2015 09:23 JuneMay wrote: I see blue/violet and brown/gold.
People who "see" black most likely saw true picture and trying to brag how they have super vision, when in reality people who see black are wrong. There is nothing black on that photo. Yea the dress is black and blue in reality, but in photo its gold blue.
This.
All that is to be "learned" from this thing is that saturation turns things whiter.
It seems dumb to me. Clearly the picture is the result of a camera that, given the surrounding light, adjusted the colors and brightness on the dress itself, or else the picture was just edited. It's just a play off the fact that clothing is never truly black, rather a very dark brown or some other such color, and that colors if brightened enough appear white, resulting in the dichotomy. If the truth was that the original photo was edited to create this, it wouldn't surprise me.
Last night I saw blue/black, later that same night I saw white/gold. Same exact image. I know I didn't imagine it cuz I replied to the person in writing, saying that I saw black/blue.
On February 28 2015 14:10 ElMeanYo wrote: The screenshot in the OP is white/gold. If you think otherwise, your monitor is not calibrated correctly and you need to do some adjustments.
roflmao. The funny thing is that you are probably serious.
On February 28 2015 14:10 ElMeanYo wrote: The screenshot in the OP is white/gold. If you think otherwise, your monitor is not calibrated correctly and you need to do some adjustments.
Ive seen this screenshot on god knows how many different screens and phones and it always looks blue and black to me.
"Edited versions to demonstrate why people see it differently excluded"
On February 28 2015 14:10 ElMeanYo wrote: The screenshot in the OP is white/gold. If you think otherwise, your monitor is not calibrated correctly and you need to do some adjustments.
roflmao. The funny thing is that you are probably serious.
roflmao. Are you fucking serious? You are trolling.
On February 28 2015 12:12 Orcasgt24 wrote: I see blue black. I have always seen blue black.
I read a theory that night owls like myself will usually see it as blue black but people who are more day people will see it as white gold.
I asked three other people I work with and they all see white gold :p So thats probably squished haha
Interesting! I'm also a darkness kinda guy (I'm trying to make it sound cool but the reality is sadder) and I also see it blue/black.
Night owl, still haven't seen anything but the same white and gold I've always seen. However, the colouring of the photo has always lead me to believe the dress might be violet or pink and brown or gold. Blue and black, though, I just don't get.
On February 28 2015 16:09 ETisME wrote: I don't know how anyone see black in that photo at all
I can understand your point but how ppl see white in that photo ?????
To be fair as someone who saw white at first it was more of a really faint looking baby blue or something but it looked like the blue tinge was from the lighting.
Its funny, because my cousin collaged her newsfeed on Facebook outlining about 12 different pictures of the dress that had been posted within a few hours, and I absolutely 100% saw blue and black. No doubt about it. All the same image. But when you look at it closer/bigger on the same screen it was undoubtedly blue/gold. It is bothering me that this is becoming a thing when I don't really care and that the dress has been confirmed to be blue and black.
yea, people "seeing" black in that pic are such conformist tools.
shit is fake anyway because it's not about the white lighting (contrast/brightness) but about color filters added on top/below(behind) the dress which literally change its color.
On February 28 2015 17:28 xM(Z wrote: yea, people "seeing" black in that pic are such conformist tools.
shit is fake anyway because it's not about the white lighting (contrast/brightness) but about color filters added on top/below(behind) the dress which literally change its color.
I see black because that's what my eyes see. That makes me a conformist tool? Sounds like your completely unwilling to admit that a low quality photo with a bright background to the right and a dark on on the left can result in human eyes filtering the light reflecting off the picture differently.
Or you are just a conformist tool for seeing white. Probably this one
On February 28 2015 17:28 xM(Z wrote: yea, people "seeing" black in that pic are such conformist tools.
shit is fake anyway because it's not about the white lighting (contrast/brightness) but about color filters added on top/below(behind) the dress which literally change its color.
I see black because that's what my eyes see. That makes me a conformist tool? Sounds like your completely unwilling to admit that a low quality photo with a bright background to the right and a dark on on the left can result in human eyes filtering the light reflecting off the picture differently.
Or you are just a conformist tool for seeing white. Probably this one
The pixels themselves are a goldish color, even if you perceive blue + dark (i do sometimes, flicked back and forth like 8 times yesterday) then you'll see blue with kinda goldish dark color
On February 28 2015 17:28 xM(Z wrote: yea, people "seeing" black in that pic are such conformist tools.
shit is fake anyway because it's not about the white lighting (contrast/brightness) but about color filters added on top/below(behind) the dress which literally change its color.
I see black because that's what my eyes see. That makes me a conformist tool? Sounds like your completely unwilling to admit that a low quality photo with a bright background to the right and a dark on on the left can result in human eyes filtering the light reflecting off the picture differently.
Or you are just a conformist tool for seeing white. Probably this one
(first, i like to note that i specifically said it's not about brightness but about color filters that filter certain colors out). to your point now: yes, that is impossible. all eyes (unless injured/sick/with issues or something) filter light the same way. it's the same organ. if i capture the reflection of that picture on your retina i'll show you it's not black. i'll show you that you don't "see" it black. so, your the perception is skewed psychologically and has nothing to do with the eyes.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that no one actually sees "white" or "black" there. They either see a darkish-brown and assume it's a washed out black, or they see a lightish-blue and assume it's white that's tinted by shadows.
It's a trick of context as much as it is perception.
On February 28 2015 18:52 WolfintheSheep wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that no one actually sees "white" or "black" there. They either see a darkish-brown and assume it's a washed out black, or they see a lightish-blue and assume it's white that's tinted by shadows.
It's a trick of context as much as it is perception.
This.
I strongly believe the dress is black by looking at it but obviously the perceived color isn't perfect black, more like goldish dark, but the goldish part (to us) seems obviously due to the lighting.
I do find it funny how a lot of people get extremely angry at the discussion itself. I found the whole mess to be kinda fun. Also, it's white and gold (though I can understand the white has a certain blue-ish glow to it).
On February 28 2015 14:10 ElMeanYo wrote: The screenshot in the OP is white/gold. If you think otherwise, your monitor is not calibrated correctly and you need to do some adjustments.
Erm. No. You're being inconsistent. You're saying it's gold because the pixels contain yellow, right? Then by that standard the 'white' is blue, because the pixels are blue - pretty much as as blue as the by-lines in this thread.
Nobody is 'seeing' black and blue, in the sense of what light is entering their eyes. Nor is anybody 'seeing' white and gold. Our brains are interpreting what we see according to the assumptions they're making about the prevailing light in the scene. Different assumptions = different perception of colour.
The dress is, in fact, black and blue. That's not in doubt. I perceive it as black and blue (apart from a couple of seconds last night when I glanced at the screen and saw white/gold).
On February 28 2015 19:17 Sbrubbles wrote: I do find it funny how a lot of people get extremely angry at the discussion itself. I found the whole mess to be kinda fun. Also, it's white and gold (though I can understand the white has a certain blue-ish glow to it).
The dress is, according to the person who took the picture and the websites selling the dress, black and blue.
On February 28 2015 19:17 Sbrubbles wrote: I do find it funny how a lot of people get extremely angry at the discussion itself. I found the whole mess to be kinda fun. Also, it's white and gold (though I can understand the white has a certain blue-ish glow to it).
The dress is, according to the person who took the picture and the websites selling the dress, black and blue.
Yes, I know. I meant to say I see it as white and gold
On February 28 2015 19:17 Sbrubbles wrote: I do find it funny how a lot of people get extremely angry at the discussion itself. I found the whole mess to be kinda fun. Also, it's white and gold (though I can understand the white has a certain blue-ish glow to it).
Yeah, same. The whole thing was pretty fascinating to me, both the actual dress color issue and the fact something as mundane can get viral so insanely fast.
Edit: I suppose I can add to the whole thing by saying that it looks sky blue and gold-brown to me.
Personally, I first saw it as white + gold, then I saw it at black and blue.
There are tons of videos saying that it's blue and black. I think OP can edit videos from DNews, ASAP Science, and Computerphile. I doubt there's nothing more to discuss and people can just go spam this thread.
seriously how can people say its white? the tl background colour is white? can you not see the difference in the colour of the tl background and the blue of the dress? i aint no eye scientist but im pretty sure i can see properly
On February 28 2015 19:17 Sbrubbles wrote: I do find it funny how a lot of people get extremely angry at the discussion itself. I found the whole mess to be kinda fun. Also, it's white and gold (though I can understand the white has a certain blue-ish glow to it).
Yeah, same. The whole thing was pretty fascinating to me, both the actual dress color issue and the fact something as mundane can get viral so insanely fast.
Edit: I suppose I can add to the whole thing by saying that it looks sky blue and gold-brown to me.
I'm thinking about writing a blog about why this is the most amazing thing that will probably happen this year maybe this decade.
Not the dress itself but how the dress/picture exposed something on such a viral level. And not like Gangnam style.
People still don't seem to realize but the way this phenomena has crystallized the way we come to conclusions, skepticism of facts and science, our inclination toward conspiracy theories, our cynicism, our apathy, our rage, and so much more, in such a simple and concise issue is potentially revolutionary.
Most people have discussed this issue with other people. Think about how the people you have asked about it reacted to the whole phenomena, then think about how they interpret other controversial issues in their lives...
EXAMPLES:
Did they see what they saw/see and conclude 'it is what I see' other peoples explanations and perceptions be damned ("They must be trolling, color blind, settings screwy, defective, etc...)
Did they see a dress/optical illusion easily explained and immediately say/think "this is stupid I'm not even going to think about this thing Please make it go away there is nothing to be learned here!" or "Here's the science stupids now go back to your day"?
Did they see both and try to mediate heated arguments about whether someone's brain/monitor/eyes were defective or convince someone that they weren't trolling when they said they can only see white and gold or blue and black or orange
I suspect their reaction says a lot about how they tend to interact with other information.
EDIT: I'm not putting anyone on blast but you could look at posters in this thread and then look at other controversial issues and see the pattern I'm describing.
I found it in a german magazine today. They explained both scenarios. The gold/white color happens exactly this if you consider the background and where this dress is. Exactly like I said yesterday.
On February 27 2015 23:55 Dingodile wrote: I (still) only see gold/white as real colour of this dress. This white tends to be dark white & very lightly violet because she stays at sun-shade.
blue/dark is if you can ignore the very light background (in your brain too). I cant see it and I even did it with photoshop (background black, dress stays intact). Doesnt work either. I think I should stop go outside if we have excellent weather (as in that picture) to see this picture as blue/black finally.
This is disgusting T_T....in the pick in the OP I see black and blue...a friend of mine showed me the pic from another website on her phone and it was clearly white and goldish/leaf greenish.
On the news website that she took the picture from, seeing it on my work computer (I am now browsing TL on my personal computer) it was also black and blue. I would be fine with this saying to myself "well she took the picture from a strange angle and it changed the light etc and I saw it as white and when looking at the computer I see always black and blue"...however, 5 people that were with me did not change their position changing from the phone to the website and back again....the only time they saw blue was in the photoshop'd pic (with REALLLYYYY dark blue).
This is what intrigues me the most, if each of us changed their position based on the device their were looking at, I would be fine, but my other friends didn't, only two of us thought we were looking at 2 different pictures, the other 5 only saw white in every device.
On February 28 2015 19:54 RookerS wrote: seriously how can people say its white? the tl background colour is white? can you not see the difference in the colour of the tl background and the blue of the dress? i aint no eye scientist but im pretty sure i can see properly
We are discussing about real colours of this dress. Tell me how you see it as blue/black in what background. Example: You see a clear and gaudy white t-shirt in a excellent weather (only sun, 40+°C). If you see that t-shirt under a sunshade, it can tends to a dark white with light blue/violet colour. This is my experience, it didnt took 1sec to notice that context/background for me.
the middle pic is the same as from OP. My assumption: They just slide the bright/contrast or whatever and publiced it in 3 differently pics. What a joke but nice PR thing. You really should read comments on amazon, they are great!.
the light sensor of the camera was hit by a powerful yellow light which made the camera mix it with the dress original colors: black with yellow = light gold-grayish dark blue with yellow = light blue-grayish. the later colors were what camera caught on film. those same colors can be accentuated or diluted based on <insert electronic display here> brightness/contrast but they'll never become black and blue as the original unless you filter out the yellow.
ok I have seen this picture multiple times on many things , a tablet , smartphone , laptop , desktop......and I always get different results !!!! sometimes I see black and blue , sometimes I see gold and white , I'd really like to know how this is happening
I send the pic from my pc to my tablet , and I saw different colors so it really can't be different pictures or data
edit : seems like a few posts above me solves it XD
On February 28 2015 23:21 llIH wrote: I still have no idea how anyone can consider that "white" color. Makes no sense. Blue is 100%.
here are some RGB-values from analysing different pixels of the dress: 100/105/129 130/146/182 125/134/160 140/148/184 156/175/200 163/177/211 071/080/112
So yes, while blue is the dominating color, it does not dominate by much. Yes, you get these colors if you use blue and turn on some knobs.
HOWEVER, if you use the HSL model (hue-saturation-lightness) you can quickly find out that the saturation is far less than 50% on the blue for every single one of these probes I took. Which means there is two to three times as much white than there is blue. Add to that the fact that the lightness is always over 50% (even more white) and it is very easy to conclude that white does in fact dominate over blue in this picture. Which is why it is perfectly reasonable to say that you see a white dress that is slightly more blue-ish and grey-ish than the white you are used to.
Now if you would factor in the brightness of the background you could come to the conclusion that the dress is more blue-ish than it appears at first sight. But just from looking at the dress itself it clearly is white. And if you say "but the original piece is actually black/blue" then I can provide you with a splendid picture to illustrate my point: + Show Spoiler +
This was a full pink-red square. Then I turned up the lightness and turned down the saturation. It still can be identified as pink-red if you use an image editor, but it is now as pink-red as your dress is black/blue.
On February 28 2015 23:21 llIH wrote: I still have no idea how anyone can consider that "white" color. Makes no sense. Blue is 100%.
here are some RGB-values from analysing different pixels of the dress: 100/105/129 130/146/182 125/134/160 140/148/184 156/175/200 163/177/211 071/080/112
So yes, while blue is the dominating color, it does not dominate by much. Yes, you get these colors if you use blue and turn on some knobs.
HOWEVER, if you use the HSL model (hue-saturation-lightness) you can quickly find out that the saturation is far less than 50% on the blue for every single one of these probes I took. Which means there is two to three times as much white than there is blue. Add to that the fact that the lightness is always over 50% (even more white) and it is very easy to conclude that white does in fact dominate over blue in this picture. Which is why it is perfectly reasonable to say that you see a white dress that is slightly more blue-ish and grey-ish than the white you are used to.
Now if you would factor in the brightness of the background you could come to the conclusion that the dress is more blue-ish than it appears at first sight. But just from looking at the dress itself it clearly is white. And if you say "but the original piece is actually black/blue" then I can provide you with a splendid picture to illustrate my point: + Show Spoiler +
This was a full pink-red square. Then I turned up the lightness and turned down the saturation. It still can be identified as pink-red if you use an image editor, but it is now as pink-red as your dress is black/blue.
And do some people clearly see that square as red-pink while others clearly see it as white as paper?
For the people that see blue, the blue is about as deep as the headlines in each post in TL. Not light blue as the background. It's not something reasonably mistaken with white.
On February 28 2015 23:21 llIH wrote: I still have no idea how anyone can consider that "white" color. Makes no sense. Blue is 100%.
here are some RGB-values from analysing different pixels of the dress: 100/105/129 130/146/182 125/134/160 140/148/184 156/175/200 163/177/211 071/080/112
So yes, while blue is the dominating color, it does not dominate by much. Yes, you get these colors if you use blue and turn on some knobs.
HOWEVER, if you use the HSL model (hue-saturation-lightness) you can quickly find out that the saturation is far less than 50% on the blue for every single one of these probes I took. Which means there is two to three times as much white than there is blue. Add to that the fact that the lightness is always over 50% (even more white) and it is very easy to conclude that white does in fact dominate over blue in this picture. Which is why it is perfectly reasonable to say that you see a white dress that is slightly more blue-ish and grey-ish than the white you are used to.
Now if you would factor in the brightness of the background you could come to the conclusion that the dress is more blue-ish than it appears at first sight. But just from looking at the dress itself it clearly is white. And if you say "but the original piece is actually black/blue" then I can provide you with a splendid picture to illustrate my point: + Show Spoiler +
This was a full pink-red square. Then I turned up the lightness and turned down the saturation. It still can be identified as pink-red if you use an image editor, but it is now as pink-red as your dress is black/blue.
And do some people clearly see that square as red-pink while others clearly see it as white as paper?
For the people that see blue, the blue is about as deep as the headlines in each post in TL. Not light blue as the background. It's not something reasonably mistaken with white.
Depends on your monitor and what's next to it. Colours are seen in a relative manner, as everyone knows from the "grey squares" optical illusions. + Show Spoiler +
On March 01 2015 07:18 GGzerG wrote: Wtf is the point of this.
I personally think everyone would benefit by looking at how they and people around them reacted to this dress thing and compare it to how they react to other controversial/'unimportant' information.
You could learn a lot about yourself and others. Since the facts of the matter are as about as simple as things get, but can still be intensely controversial, how one interprets and reacts to them says a lot about the person IMO.
On March 01 2015 06:47 Coagulation wrote: chalz stahp + Show Spoiler +
If this thread stays open, this picture stays too.
b-b-but muh TL moderation
OT: just a problem of white-balance. interesting that people perceive the light blue to either straight up white or straight up blue, kind of doing the white balancing in their head.
On February 28 2015 23:21 llIH wrote: I still have no idea how anyone can consider that "white" color. Makes no sense. Blue is 100%.
here are some RGB-values from analysing different pixels of the dress: 100/105/129 130/146/182 125/134/160 140/148/184 156/175/200 163/177/211 071/080/112
So yes, while blue is the dominating color, it does not dominate by much. Yes, you get these colors if you use blue and turn on some knobs.
HOWEVER, if you use the HSL model (hue-saturation-lightness) you can quickly find out that the saturation is far less than 50% on the blue for every single one of these probes I took. Which means there is two to three times as much white than there is blue.
Well if we're going by "how does that color look on its own", which as was said several times does not make much sense considering how the brain actually perceives relative colors in a scene, then this post contains the main shades we can see on the lighter part of the dress.
I dare anyone to say these look "white" or "whiter than blue" by any stretch of the imagination. Also that pink red example of yours looks nowhere close to its blue equivalent, but I might've missed the point.
On March 01 2015 12:21 wo1fwood wrote: I've seen this a lot the last few days....I don't get it.. It's a photo with poor white balance.
The point is that people see diferent colors by looking at the same image. Not that they see the same color but have diferent interpertations of what they see, or diferent colors depending on the brightness of the monitor of who is watching.
It's an optical illusion that affects only a portion of the viewers for some reason, unlike all those popular color tricks you see online, and it happened on a random shitty photo of a dress instead of a carefully prepared picture.
On March 01 2015 10:07 Alcathous wrote: Close this shit. When mainstream news opens up with this, the world is fucked.
Take a stand.
Kwark actually closed this already a few hours ago. :/ what happened mods?
KadaverBB is a scumbag.
Lol scumbag? That's a bit harsh.
I wonder if age has anything to do with it. I heard some theory about it, although I haven't read it myself. I find it interesting thought that the 3 or 4 people under 30 I've spoken to see blue and black, I see lavender and gold (early 30's) and anyone over ~40+ has seen white and gold. Anyone not fit that pattern?
On March 01 2015 09:30 Capped wrote: Can someone explain why this shit is purple / brown to me and everyones saying that im retarded for thinking this.
recalibrate the colors of your display or buy a new one.
i'd say people voting for white and gold are the ones you see getting duped every-time in those street magic shows. clueless and fairytale believers!. the ones voting for black and blue are so eager to be right that reality becomes irrelevant. just paint them a context and they'll start a jihad in its name!. the ones voting other are the ones pulling the strings or have really bad displays.
On March 01 2015 19:00 OtherWorld wrote: Wow this thread is 13 pages long already? You never fail to impress me TL people d:
Well mostly because half the posts are from people not interested at all in the subject, but lacking the skill to dodge the single thread by not clicking on it.
"Fuck, I clicked it! Well might as well complain then."
And here I thought Starcraft players were good at microcontrol.
On March 01 2015 10:07 Alcathous wrote: Close this shit. When mainstream news opens up with this, the world is fucked.
Take a stand.
Kwark actually closed this already a few hours ago. :/ what happened mods?
KadaverBB is a scumbag.
Lol scumbag? That's a bit harsh.
I wonder if age has anything to do with it. I heard some theory about it, although I haven't read it myself. I find it interesting thought that the 3 or 4 people under 30 I've spoken to see blue and black, I see lavender and gold (early 30's) and anyone over ~40+ has seen white and gold. Anyone not fit that pattern?
I apologize if someone already posted this explanation but I didn't see it in the pages I looked through. Really quick but thorough explanation. The rest of the channel has some great videos:
On March 01 2015 21:37 ClanRH.TV wrote: I apologize if someone already posted this explanation but I didn't see it in the pages I looked through. Really quick but thorough explanation. The rest of the channel has some great videos: *snip*
See, that's the video that really blew my mind. The picture on the first page of this thread looked light blue and gold to me, without question. Then I opened the video, saw the image and went "That's not the same image. That's clearly black and blue."
So I opened the image I had saved from this page, and saw it was clearly gold and light blue. Then I returned to the video and saw that the dress was... Gold and light blue, before slowly fading back to black and blue. I don't even.
On March 01 2015 23:39 Ljas wrote: Gold and light blue, before slowly fading back to black and blue. I don't even.
Yeah, that's what I saw the other night, after reliably seeing it blue/black in many different contexts. I glanced at it on my phone and saw white/gold which gradually faded back to blue/black.
It has to do with a number of factors: A) What the brightness size etc of your screen. B) How the lighting is around you where ever you are C) What version of the photo you are looking at. D) How you perceive the background of the image in relation to it's context.
On February 28 2015 00:28 Powerpill wrote: Simple lighting and shadow
I always loved this example
A and B are the same color btw
Edit: someone beat me to it, doh
This is something else though...
The picture of the dress is just a horrible picture. In your example the real color shows up if you either eye drop it in photoshop or isolate it.
The whole point of the photo is that the "real color" is based on how your brain processes the information it receives. It can receive the same information, but based on the placement of the color, you will get vastly different outcome. It also differs from person to person.
In his example yes.
The picture of the dress is nothing more than a bad photograph with very poor white balance... There is no trickery going on... if you stood infront of it you would not see what you see in the photograph. While the example he gave you can recreate in real life as well.
But there are conditions where the dress would appear white and gold to the naked eye.
It would be very hard to create a condition where this dress looks white and gold to the naked eye + Show Spoiler +
The concept between those optical illusions and the dress issue is also still diferent. The illusions are something everyone can see, and most people can accept how it works. Two people seeing the same image but diferent colors is something new.
Someone should buy this dress and then go out on broad daylight and focus some highbeam lights at it as well. I'd imagine you can recreate the white/gold appearance again.
On February 28 2015 03:46 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote: Talking about optical illusions, the orange middle square and the top brown square are actually exactly the same color. It's impossible to believe at first.
On February 28 2015 03:46 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote: Talking about optical illusions, the orange middle square and the top brown square are actually exactly the same color. It's impossible to believe at first.
confirmed
that's just fake. 1) you can not replicate it irl. the same cube with the same colors and there's no brown turning into orange. 2) every other color on that cube, when in shadow, goes slightly more gray, darker; but no, oh noes, brown goes orange ... the software who made that image had a bug.
that video is spot on. When I am indoors I see it blue, when I look into the sun it turns gold.
Same reason why it's funny to see people argue IRL about topics their brain made quick generalizations about, or why some people say they are realists
The reality is far too complex to make sense of it all, so brain uses shortcuts generalizations and tricks to interpret it and this is just one more of many examples.
the pixels (or, the reality) say hi: i'm blue and brown. if that's to complex for you then fine, live in Oz.
Edit: what i didn't get from the start is that people were seeing light blue/gray and brown/goldish but then tried to GUESS what's the REAL color behind that fake blue/gray - brown/goldish by virtually(in their minds) adding different backgrounds. why, why would you do that?.
Because we intuitively try to infer what color we believe the actual objects are. That has been explained a lot by scientists these last few days.
Like when I first saw the dress I did realize the black looked kinda goldish but my brain was 100% sure that was just the result from the reflected light so at no point I would've said "gold" or even brown. My brain substracted that naturally.
Same goes for people "missing" the blue from the lighter part of the dress I guess (blue shade being substracted).
On February 28 2015 03:46 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote: Talking about optical illusions, the orange middle square and the top brown square are actually exactly the same color. It's impossible to believe at first.
confirmed
that's just fake. 1) you can not replicate it irl. the same cube with the same colors and there's no brown turning into orange. 2) every other color on that cube, when in shadow, goes slightly more gray, darker; but no, oh noes, brown goes orange ... the software who made that image had a bug.
Dude, you're completely missing the point of that image
The image isn't trying to prove that brown turns orange in the shade. It's demonstrating how your eyes interpret the exact same RGB pixel colour differently depending on context.
According to Photoshop, the on-screen RGB value of both squares is 148,90,0. But when you look at the square on the side, your brain thinks: "In order to look like that in the shade, that square would have to be bright orange." When you look at the square on the top, your brain thinks: "In order to look like that in bright light, that square would have to be dark brown."
In other words, your brain 'knows' that if you picked that cube up and turned it so the side was on top, the centre square would look much brighter than the one that's on top now. Conversely, it 'knows' that if you turned the cube so that the top was on the side, the centre square would look much darker. And if this were a real object, and you actually did pick it up and turn it, your brain would be right*. But it's still the case that the amount of light reaching your eye from the side square is EXACTLY the same as the amount reaching your eye from the top square.
*unless the squares ARE the same physical colour, but there's a small square shade positioned off-screen between the top one and the light, and a tiny square spotlight aimed at the one on the side...
@PoP pff, that never happened to me. i saw it light blue-gray and light black-gold-gray(brown-ish) right from the start and it never changed. i have not seen it and i can not see it white - gold nor black - blue. + Show Spoiler +
i might be dead inside or something
Edit: @Umpteen: i took that image, opened it in Paint, colored the top side(horizontal) black and the bottom side(vertical) in white. the color of the middle squares looked identical. pro skills+ Show Spoiler +
. there's no doubt now that Photoshop is bugged , it sucks at imitating natural lighting or lighting in general.
now, you might think that the 2 situations are similar, given that pixel values say one thing and the human perception another but i disagree . that cube is entirely virtually generated while that dress was a photo of a real dress + real lightning. (real = not computer generated).
plus, in that cube image, the white and black contrasts are actually there, but for that dress picture, the brain adds them just because ... some add more white and others more black. <- that's a personality trait read right there.
Edit1: if i do the same thing with the picture of the dress with black + Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2015 19:53 xM(Z wrote: @PoP pff, that never happened to me. i saw it light blue-gray and light black-gold-gray(brown-ish) right from the start and it never changed. i have not seen it and i can not see it white - gold nor black - blue. + Show Spoiler +
i might be dead inside or something
Edit: @Umpteen: i took that image, opened it in Paint, colored the top side(horizontal) black and the bottom side(vertical) in white. the color of the middle squares looked identical. pro skills+ Show Spoiler +
. there's no doubt now that Photoshop is bugged , it sucks at imitating natural lighting or lighting in general.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. A plain white or black background is not enough for your brain to infer the lighting conditions, which is why the squares look the same in your edited version. What the hell does Photoshop have to do with anything?
The point you still don't seem to grasp is that if it WERE a photo of a real cube, the two centre squares would have to be different colours in order to emit the same light to your eye under their two different lighting conditions. Your brain takes that into account, and uses what it knows about lighting to reverse-engineer what the original colours must be.
Think: suppose I took a real cube and took photos of it, mixing paints and repainting the two centre squares until they were the exact same RGB value in the photograph. I would need to paint the shadowed square a light colour, and the brightly lit square a dark colour to make that happen, yes? Your brain knows that instinctively, and would 'see' the squares as different colours even though the RGB values on screen were identical.
now, you might think that the 2 situations are similar, given that pixel values say one thing and the human perception another but i disagree . that cube is entirely virtually generated while that dress was a photo of a real dress + real lightning. (real = not computer generated).
...dude, you're just looking at RGB values on a computer screen in both cases. The point is that the 'cube' picture is rendered sufficiently realistically to persuade your brain that it's looking at a three-dimensional object lit from above. Consequently your brain interprets identical pixel values as different colours in different parts of the image. Destroy the illusion of a 3D lit object and your brain 'corrects' its interpretation and you see the colours as the same.
Edit1: if i do the same thing with the picture of the dress with black + Show Spoiler +
its color never changes for me (or maybe very slightly).
Why would you expect it to, when the colours in the 'cube' image didn't look different on a pure white vs pure black background?
The original picture is sufficiently ambiguous that the majority of people's brains pick the wrong interpretation (white/gold). That's all. It's nothing to do with whether it's a photo of a real object or not. I'm pretty sure someone could render an identical image of a computer-modelled dress if they could be bothered to.
Pick out the colours with any image tool and you'll see that it's brownish gold and light blue. It doesn't matter how your eyes are fooled by whatever mechanic when you look at the picture, the actual colours (of the picture, what the dress looks like in real life is irrelevant) are not white and not black, but brownish gold and light blue.
Is more like where your eyes spent more times in the past. I already see a huge difference between natural light (daylight) and "artificial" light (lamp, bulb).
Your eyes take the one more in account in to your brain (for experience etc). In other words: If you are rather a real life boy, you will see it in gold&white (experience with sun and shades). If you rather a nerd (even on daylight, window down, bulb on) you will see it as black&blue.
Most people do activate bulb even on daylight and didnt notice it. I see it, even if I dont know where the bulb is. The color between natural and artificial is scary for me. My eyes sense aritificial light as annoy.
On March 04 2015 20:48 Dingodile wrote: Is more like where your eyes spent more times in the past. I already see a huge difference between natural light (daylight) and "artificial" light (lamp, bulb).
Your eyes take the one more in account in to your brain (for experience etc). In other words: If you are rather a real life boy, you will see it in gold&white (experience with sun and shades). If you rather a nerd (even on daylight, window down, bulb on) you will see it as black&blue.
How does that make any sense though? As was said before that pic has a lot more chances to look blue/black while imagining it in a very sunish/yellowish light-intensive setting. That sounds more like something people used to being outside would be used to.
On March 04 2015 20:32 Thorakh wrote: Pick out the colours with any image tool and you'll see that it's brownish gold and light blue. It doesn't matter how your eyes are fooled by whatever mechanic when you look at the picture, the actual colours (of the picture, what the dress looks like in real life is irrelevant) are not white and not black, but brownish gold and light blue.
Indeed but it's not really the point. When being asked what color an object is in a picture you'll try to infer what the actual color that object is depending on the setting and how your brain interprets it. That's the really interesting part about it, not the "computer colors".
On March 01 2015 10:07 Alcathous wrote: Close this shit. When mainstream news opens up with this, the world is fucked.
Take a stand.
Kwark actually closed this already a few hours ago. :/ what happened mods?
KadaverBB is a scumbag.
Lol scumbag? That's a bit harsh.
I wonder if age has anything to do with it. I heard some theory about it, although I haven't read it myself. I find it interesting thought that the 3 or 4 people under 30 I've spoken to see blue and black, I see lavender and gold (early 30's) and anyone over ~40+ has seen white and gold. Anyone not fit that pattern?
Below 30 see blueish white and goldish.
I'm 26 and I see blue and black. I know at least a dozen people my age (+/- 2 years) who see blue and black as well, and a dozen others my age who see white and gold.
On March 04 2015 20:32 Thorakh wrote: Pick out the colours with any image tool and you'll see that it's brownish gold and light blue. It doesn't matter how your eyes are fooled by whatever mechanic when you look at the picture, the actual colours (of the picture, what the dress looks like in real life is irrelevant) are not white and not black, but brownish gold and light blue.
The real colors of the dress (blue and black) don't have to match the image tool colors of the purposely-misleading, illusion-esque photo.
On March 04 2015 20:48 Dingodile wrote: Is more like where your eyes spent more times in the past. I already see a huge difference between natural light (daylight) and "artificial" light (lamp, bulb).
Your eyes take the one more in account in to your brain (for experience etc). In other words: If you are rather a real life boy, you will see it in gold&white (experience with sun and shades). If you rather a nerd (even on daylight, window down, bulb on) you will see it as black&blue.
How does that make any sense though? As was said before that pic has a lot more chances to look blue/black while imagining it in a very sunish/yellowish light-intensive setting. That sounds more like something people used to being outside would be used to.
Thats the difference between gold&white and black&blue! sunnish=natural, yellowish= bulb. It really comes what "colour" you see the background (actually your brain) of that picture. I see/sense that "colour" as a very sunny day (40°C).
That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
On March 04 2015 22:01 Dingodile wrote: Thats the difference between gold&white and black&blue! sunnish=natural, yellowish= bulb.
It really comes what "colour" you see the background (actually your brain) of that picture. I see/sense that "colour" as a very sunny day (40°C).
Still doesn't make much sense to me: natural light wouldn't make a blue dress look completely white, no matter how white the light source is (sunlight does look a tiny bit yellowish to the human eye anyway, though indeed much less so than a bulb).
For the record I see blue and I've been convinced from the beginning that the light coming from the right side of the picture is sunlight.
I think it's more a matter of whether you consider that sunlight (coming from the right angle) or the shade coming from the left angle as the bigger source of color alteration.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
What are the real colours on your monitor? Hint: it's not blue and black.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white
On March 04 2015 22:01 Dingodile wrote: Thats the difference between gold&white and black&blue! sunnish=natural, yellowish= bulb.
It really comes what "colour" you see the background (actually your brain) of that picture. I see/sense that "colour" as a very sunny day (40°C).
Still doesn't make much sense to me: natural light wouldn't make a blue dress look completely white, no matter how white the light source is (sunlight does look a tiny bit yellowish to the human eye anyway, though indeed much less so than a bulb).
For the record I see blue and I've been convinced from the beginning that the light coming from the right side of the picture is sunlight.
I think it's more a matter of whether you consider that sunlight (coming from the right angle) or the shade coming from the left angle as the bigger source of color alteration.
Well you are trying to understand how blue turns white (your first sentence). Thats the mistake, do NOT retroactive accounting unless you see it black&blue. I see white dress (real colour) because dress is under a shade (black/blue/violet-sunshield was my assume and sun from left angle) changes from white to a very light blue/violet tinted white. Dress is in shade, background has sun.
edit: if you see it black&blue then tell me the context/background (ofcourse before you know the answer)?!
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white
And the dress is blue and black...
So...what if it is?
Dingodile's point is that he belives that people percieves colour differences depending on whether their eyes are attuned to outdoor/indoor light. I reply and clarify that that I, like many others, see the true colours of the picture, thus rendering his point invalid for many people.
You again reply that the dress of which the image was taken of is blue and black. I suppose you will repeat that the dress is blue and black ad infinitum even despite what the colours of the image actually is.Ok...I suspect that thinking logicaly isn't your forte.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
Not on the picture. The real colours of the picture are brownish gold and light blue. There is nothing else to it. If you see any black or white, your eyes are playing tricks on you.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white
And the dress is blue and black...
So...what if it is?
Dingodile's point is that he belives that people percieves colour differences depending on whether their eyes are attuned to outdoor/indoor light. I reply and clarify that that I, like many others, see the true colours of the picture, thus rendering his point invalid for many people.
You again reply that the dress of which the image was taken of is blue and black. I suppose you will repeat that the dress is blue and black ad infinitum even despite what the colours of the image actually is.Ok...I suspect that thinking logicaly isn't your forte.
I wasn't responding to Dingodile; I was responding to your statement that blue and brown were the real colors of the dress, instead of blue and black. I was correcting your mistake of brown instead of black. You may not appreciate the correction, but accusing me of not thinking logically is a rather random and personal attack Thanks!
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
Not on the picture. The real colours of the picture are brownish gold and light blue. There is nothing else to it. If you see any black or white, your eyes are playing tricks on you.
You know we are talking about the real colours?! I see gold and white on that picture but still have trouble if this is the real color (too). I cant find this gold and white dress on amazon. I only found in black and blue, whose field reports are funny as hell.
Noone actually sees true black, or even something close to it. People see an washed up black that looks brownish because of the shitty picture quality, but they still say they see black and blue because that's how black looks under these kinds of lighting.
The whole debate about it being brown instead of black is missing the point. The interesting bit about this is that some people can see an optical illusion that turns the dress white and some cannot. Arguing about black vs brown is like arguing wether a blueish green color is blue or green.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
Not on the picture. The real colours of the picture are brownish gold and light blue. There is nothing else to it. If you see any black or white, your eyes are playing tricks on you.
It's been explained many times over that the color of the picture's pixels are not necessarily (and in this case, clearly not) the same as the real colors of the dress, because of the lighting, shadows, etc. I think at this point, people are just recycling complaints about it being an illusion or misleading, which was the entire point of the picture to begin with. People are seeing the picture of the dress as a whole bunch of colors based on their perception and color contrasts (and also based on pixel colors), but the actual dress (like, in real life) is blue and black. Not blue and brown, not gold and white, not red and green, etc. That's all I was saying/ responding to
It goes from basically white to black. This debate is like picking a close up section somewhat close to the lighting souce and argue wether you can still tell the wall is black or you must say it is golden because that's what the the color of the pixels for that particular section.
I KNOW it is a dark blue and black dress. The PICTURE is brown and light blue however. Therefore, if you see black and dark blue your eyes are playing tricks on you.
On March 05 2015 00:27 SKC wrote: What's the title of the thred?
People are just answering the question that was asked, both here and when the image started circulating the web.
People are reporting they see black and white. There is no black and no white.
They are reporting they see a black dress. You don't have to see black to know how black under lighting looks. And it can be brownish. People that see white see an optical illusion that people that see blue don't, and it actually looks extremelly white.
I don't think anyone knows why some people see it and some don't, or why some people stop seeing it. That is what makes this so unique. Optical illusion pictures are ussually universal.
On March 05 2015 00:21 SKC wrote: This is a black wall under direct lighthting: + Show Spoiler +
It goes from basically white to black. This debate is like picking a close up section somewhat close to the lighting souce and argue wether you can still tell the wall is black or you must say it is golden because that's what the the color of the pixels for that particular section.
Oh wow that picture. Look at the bulb, gold and white around the bulb. Maybe they put a bulb under that dress outside?!
On March 05 2015 00:21 SKC wrote: This is a black wall under direct lighthting: + Show Spoiler +
It goes from basically white to black. This debate is like picking a close up section somewhat close to the lighting souce and argue wether you can still tell the wall is black or you must say it is golden because that's what the the color of the pixels for that particular section.
Oh wow that picture. Look at the bulb, gold and white around the bulb. Maybe they put a bulb under that dress outside?!
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white
And the dress is blue and black...
So...what if it is?
Dingodile's point is that he belives that people percieves colour differences depending on whether their eyes are attuned to outdoor/indoor light. I reply and clarify that that I, like many others, see the true colours of the picture, thus rendering his point invalid for many people.
You again reply that the dress of which the image was taken of is blue and black. I suppose you will repeat that the dress is blue and black ad infinitum even despite what the colours of the image actually is.Ok...I suspect that thinking logicaly isn't your forte.
I wasn't responding to Dingodile; I was responding to your statement that blue and brown were the real colors of the dress, instead of blue and black. I was correcting your mistake of brown instead of black. You may not appreciate the correction, but accusing me of not thinking logically is a rather random and personal attack Thanks!
And I am responding to Dingodile. When did I ever say what the real colours of the dress was? I clarified twice that I was talking about the colours seen in the image, yet you insist yet again that the colours of the dress is blue and black. At this point you are just being deliberately obtuse. Thanks!
On March 04 2015 23:41 Dingodile wrote: Well you are trying to understand how blue turns white (your first sentence). Thats the mistake, do NOT retroactive accounting unless you see it black&blue. I see white dress (real colour) because dress is under a shade (black/blue/violet-sunshield was my assume and sun from left angle) changes from white to a very light blue/violet tinted white. Dress is in shade, background has sun.
edit: if you see it black&blue then tell me the context/background (ofcourse before you know the answer)?!
Background has sun, front/side also has sun, sun hits dress, black part therefore looks goldish on the side and blue part looks like lighter blue. Dress is black and blue.
And of course I didn't mean "blue turns white" literally. I meant it as "seeing it white even though it's actually blue".
On March 05 2015 00:16 SKC wrote: Noone actually sees true black, or even something close to it. People see an washed up black that looks brownish because of the shitty picture quality, but they still say they see black and blue because that's how black looks under these kinds of lighting.
The whole debate about it being brown instead of black is missing the point. The interesting bit about this is that some people can see an optical illusion that turns the dress white and some cannot. Arguing about black vs brown is like arguing wether a blueish green color is blue or green.
On March 05 2015 00:21 SKC wrote: This is a black wall under direct lighthting: + Show Spoiler +
It goes from basically white to black. This debate is like picking a close up section somewhat close to the lighting souce and argue wether you can still tell the wall is black or you must say it is golden because that's what the the color of the pixels for that particular section.
Oh wow that picture. Look at the bulb, gold and white around the bulb. Maybe they put a bulb under that dress outside?!
I think the it's called the sun
or it might be indoor lighting..
protest? sun and indoor lightining aren't the same. I understand indoor lighting as bulb/lamp.
It is really about perception of that yellow colour (indoor or outdoor yellow) in background.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white
And the dress is blue and black...
So...what if it is?
Dingodile's point is that he belives that people percieves colour differences depending on whether their eyes are attuned to outdoor/indoor light. I reply and clarify that that I, like many others, see the true colours of the picture, thus rendering his point invalid for many people.
You again reply that the dress of which the image was taken of is blue and black. I suppose you will repeat that the dress is blue and black ad infinitum even despite what the colours of the image actually is.Ok...I suspect that thinking logicaly isn't your forte.
I wasn't responding to Dingodile; I was responding to your statement that blue and brown were the real colors of the dress, instead of blue and black. I was correcting your mistake of brown instead of black. You may not appreciate the correction, but accusing me of not thinking logically is a rather random and personal attack Thanks!
And I am responding to Dingodile. When did I ever say what the real colours of the dress was? I clarified twice that I was talking about the colours seen in the image, yet you insist yet again that the colours of the dress is blue and black. At this point you are just being deliberately obtuse. Thanks!
You said the "real colours" were "blue&brown", which is what I replied to in the first place -.-' So now we've come full circle. I'm not sure if you're trying to troll me or you just have really bad memory, but I don't think there's anything else to add to your correction. If you're honestly still confused about the colors, SKC lays it out really nicely a few posts above mine. Maybe that'll help you more.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white
And the dress is blue and black...
Yea, but the pixels are a browny gold and slightly blue tinted white
The picture isn't a good representation of the actual color of the dress. The picture is white(blue tinted)+gold, but the actual dress is blue+black.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white
And the dress is blue and black...
Yea, but the pixels are a browny gold and slightly blue tinted white
The picture isn't a good representation of the actual color of the dress. The picture is white(blue tinted)+gold, but the actual dress is blue+black.
Still surprised anyone can see this as white (even on the dress) but I guess same goes to the other side with black/gold (though most of the dress is really dark brown which to me looks way closer to black than any of the shades of blue look white).
Again, computer colors is not the point of this thread anyway.
On March 04 2015 23:41 Dingodile wrote: Well you are trying to understand how blue turns white (your first sentence). Thats the mistake, do NOT retroactive accounting unless you see it black&blue. I see white dress (real colour) because dress is under a shade (black/blue/violet-sunshield was my assume and sun from left angle) changes from white to a very light blue/violet tinted white. Dress is in shade, background has sun.
edit: if you see it black&blue then tell me the context/background (ofcourse before you know the answer)?!
Background has sun, front/side also has sun, sun hits dress, black part therefore looks goldish on the side and blue part looks like lighter blue. Dress is black and blue.
And of course I didn't mean "blue turns white" literally. I meant it as "seeing it white even though it's actually blue".
I dont see that sun hits dress. dress is at shadow unlike the background.
Edit: Do you mean sun hits dress from behind? I was thinking about sun forward left angle. I highly doubt that sun hits from behind, dress should have more brightness in that case I think.
On March 04 2015 22:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's funny because I see blue&brown, the real colours, and nothing else, no matter where or what I view it from. What colours I think the dress actually is, is a different matter from what I actually see.
The real colors are blue and black lol.
The pixels are a browny gold and a slightly blue tinted white
And the dress is blue and black...
So...what if it is?
Dingodile's point is that he belives that people percieves colour differences depending on whether their eyes are attuned to outdoor/indoor light. I reply and clarify that that I, like many others, see the true colours of the picture, thus rendering his point invalid for many people.
You again reply that the dress of which the image was taken of is blue and black. I suppose you will repeat that the dress is blue and black ad infinitum even despite what the colours of the image actually is.Ok...I suspect that thinking logicaly isn't your forte.
I wasn't responding to Dingodile; I was responding to your statement that blue and brown were the real colors of the dress, instead of blue and black. I was correcting your mistake of brown instead of black. You may not appreciate the correction, but accusing me of not thinking logically is a rather random and personal attack Thanks!
And I am responding to Dingodile. When did I ever say what the real colours of the dress was? I clarified twice that I was talking about the colours seen in the image, yet you insist yet again that the colours of the dress is blue and black. At this point you are just being deliberately obtuse. Thanks!
You said the "real colours" were "blue&brown", which is what I replied to in the first place -.-' So now we've come full circle. I'm not sure if you're trying to troll me or you just have really bad memory, but I don't think there's anything else to add to your correction. If you're honestly still confused about the colors, SKC lays it out really nicely a few posts above mine. Maybe that'll help you more.
This is a forum with recorded posts. I've clarified twice that I am refering to the image, yet you insist I am talkign about the dress. You are so dearly confused or purposely obstinate. Either way, there really isn't a point to talk with someone who despite recorded posts insists that one party was talking about something they did not, in order to "prove" themselves right.
Still surprised anyone can see this as white (even on the dress)
Because there's a huge amount of red and green in the color. It's not flat white (100/100/100) but it's much closer to flat white than it is to pure blue (0/0/100). It's clearly blue tinted, but white is the dominant color (to what my eyes originally saw, and via digital examination of the pic)
On March 05 2015 03:08 PoP wrote: Someone on YouTube posted two (bad) photoshops of the dress picture under clearly different lighting conditions:
On March 05 2015 03:27 Dingodile wrote: I dont see that sun hits dress. dress is at shadow unlike the background.
Edit: Do you mean sun hits dress from behind? I was thinking about sun forward left angle. I highly doubt that sun hits from behind, dress should have more brightness in that case I think.
I don't know if that's the same sun as the light we can see on the background, but it's light coming from somewhere on the front and/or side. If you look at the dark part on top of the dress, it's definitely hit by light on the rightmost part of that.
Actually a whole "column" of light can be perceived towards the middle (slightly towards the left) of the whole dress.
Still surprised anyone can see this as white (even on the dress)
Because there's a huge amount of red and green in the color. It's not flat white (100/100/100) but it's much closer to flat white than it is to pure blue (0/0/100). It's clearly blue tinted, but white is the dominant color (to what my eyes originally saw, and via digital examination of the pic)
Well I'm not a color expert but every article/document/video I've seen using photoshop or similar tools (including tweets from the Adobe company itself during the big buzz) have mentioned the color is absolutely blue (other being (dark) brown), no question about it. I would also gladly eat a hat if anyone with normal eyes would ever think "white" looking at the rectangles I posted earlier. Maybe grey/blue, skyblue (for the first one) or something, but that's it.
But this is a totally different "debate" from the actual topic of this thread, and a much less fascinating one.
White would have been 131, 131, 131 - but there was a very very slight bias towards green, and a more heavy bias towards blue.
Blue would have been 0, 0, 195. The 131 and 140 are extremely significant. It doesn't look solid white when placed against a light background, but it's miles away from blue (especially when placed on backgrounds of every color)
difference between indoor and outdoor light is that outdoor has a lot more blue color in it (R/G/B). blue + red = violet. violet - blue =red. Gets it?!
blue - blue = white gold - blue = (light) gold
indoor has basically no blue. thats why the color of bulb looks very yellowish (compared to outdoor light). blue - yellow = (dark) blue gold - yellow = black
On March 05 2015 00:21 SKC wrote: This is a black wall under direct lighthting: + Show Spoiler +
It goes from basically white to black. This debate is like picking a close up section somewhat close to the lighting souce and argue wether you can still tell the wall is black or you must say it is golden because that's what the the color of the pixels for that particular section.
Oh wow that picture. Look at the bulb, gold and white around the bulb. Maybe they put a bulb under that dress outside?!
The color of the moon is actually the color of asphalt. Although when we look up at night it is white most of the time. And then because of the refraction near the horizon, it's sometimes yellow, orange, etc. And during a lunar eclipse (a shadow on it) it is also red, orange, pinkish for the same reasons.
All of these things are similar to what happens in the lighting of the picture and the refraction of the lens of the camera afaik.
The main source of the debate is how the picture subtly gives us the option of choosing whether the dress is under tons of light, or is in a shaded place via top right and forgeground. So people's brains that see the opposites are filling in the missing data from either of those options. It's not really about some people being better or worse, it's probably more just a random thing.
So the real debate that people don't understand is where this person actually is in relation to the background. The people seeing the darker colors are assuming that the person is directly in the lighting, while the people seeing the lighter colors are assuming the person is standing under an umbrella or something outside. Since we know the colors of the dress are actually blue and black (although we don't actually know how faded/old the dress is IRL) we can assume that the person is actually not standing under an umbrella, and that is the optical illusion.
wow to me the one on the left looked photoshopped to appear white and gold because that's what i see 23r3gaf
If you take your left hand and make an L shape around her dress swap back and forth between 2 images you can actually see that the dress is the exact same color while the background is getting more or less lighting filters put on.
And that's how this optical illusion tricks the brain into thinking the colors are different than they actually are.