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On January 07 2015 16:04 NonFactor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 15:04 johnbongham wrote:On January 07 2015 10:29 NonFactor wrote:On January 07 2015 05:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:On January 07 2015 05:39 Canucklehead wrote:On January 07 2015 05:34 johnbongham wrote:On January 07 2015 05:30 Canucklehead wrote:On January 07 2015 04:56 NonFactor wrote:
Considering how anti-LoL TL has been in the past, happy to see some progress finally. Too bad TL is years late to the party.
Indeed and that was pointed out by monte cristo when the rumours of TL getting into LoL started. How big of a passive aggressive crybaby does somebody have to get mad because an esports team didnt find the time/budget/resources to get involved in their esport of choice? Nah monte is right in this case. TL was anti lol for a very long time. Do you know how long it took them to even acknowledge that LoL world finals was going on and to feature that stream on the side bar? I remember cause I used to joke about it with a friend about how much TL wanted to pretend that LoL didn't even exist. Their staff was very pro dota 2 and anti lol because they liked dota 2 more to play. I mean its their site, if who ever it was who left didn't like it they were always free to start their own. TL has always and will always cover what they're interested in covering, not what is most popular (hence never covering halo or CS or waiting this long to get involed in the FGC in any way.) Monte can bite me Naturally, this is their site and organisation and they get to do exactly what they want, that doesn't mean it's not scummy. The hate on LoL on these forums was massive when it became clear that LoL would be the flagship of e-sports. But it wasn't just the community, TL staff took part in it too. And now they are all happy and excited to be part of the LoL e-sports scene? After, like mentioned, systematically trying to ignore the whole thing even existed? There's a difference between simply not picking up a game because your not interested, and not pick up the game due to ''hardcore gamer'' elitism and envy. In which one do you think TL falls? Especially a few years back when LoL rose and made it clear that SC2 would never be the e-sport it was hyped up to be? When the Koreans chose LoL over SC2 and Dota 2? The salt on this forum was a sight to behold. (I know, because I was one of the salty ones, I wanted SC2 to succeed so badly. I refused to be a StarCraft elitist though.) If you honestly think TL suddenly got interested in LoL after years of shitting on it, then you're naive. This has nothing to do with interest. It has to do with the fact that Dota 2 failed to deliver on it's promise to be the ''LoL killer'' it was hyped out to be, which means LoL will stay as the un-disputed flagship of e-sports for the years to come. This is a BUSINESS move from TL to tap into a bigger market and bigger scene, nothing more. A good one at that, even if it means supporting a ''game for casuals'' like LoL. The flagship of esports? And you want to talk about elitism? Dude, me and countless others have been following esports for over a decade and don't give a shit about LoL or what game they want to play in Korea. To me, CS is the best esport and they play a joke version of it in Korea. Doesn't make it any less legitimate. This is like saying that soccer is the flagship 'real' sport because its played by the most people in the most countries. Who cares? To me and many others, soccer is terrible. This isn't a competition between games. You sound like a 13 year old. For real though, just as many people dislike LoL as there are those who enjoy it. I can't even watch it for more than 15 seconds before turning it off because it is so unappealing and unexciting. Good on TL for expanding into new games though. Everybody deserves a chance to play and support the game they choose. Quit whining. Edit: Also, wouldn't you think the most popular game would also be the game played by the most casuals? Its ok that LoL is a casual game with a healthy pro scene - every game is played casually by many people. LoL just has the most of em because its free and easy to get into which translates into a stronger business which is what Riot is: a business. Huh? Facts =/= elitism. LoL is the biggest and most recognized e-sport inside AND outside the gaming world. If you're too blind due to fanboyism to see that, then that's your problem. And yes...? Soccer was in many ways a flagship sport and, indeed, for a massive part of the world it still is today. And at no point did I suggest that LoL is the only ''real'' e-sport. A question, what is your definition of a ''flagship'' e-sport game? What gives a game that title? Apparenly it's not having the most popularity or recognition, nor worldwide tournament infrastructure. I never said this was a competition between games? You keep putting words into my mouth.Then you go on a rant about how you can't enjoy watching soccer or LoL? OK. I don't see how that in any shape or form related to what I posted, but thanks for sharing. Also, I didn't say anywhere that TL doesn't have the right to play or support the game. Of course they do. It seems like you COMPLETELY missed the point of my whole post. I suggest you re-read my post. It has very little to do with ''what game is best'' or ''what game is the most fun to watch'', but more to do with TLs past negative attitude towards LoL and the near 180 change that took place. Show nested quote +Edit: Also, wouldn't you think the most popular game would also be the game played by the most casuals? Its ok that LoL is a casual game with a healthy pro scene - every game is played casually by many people. LoL just has the most of em because its free and easy to get into which translates into a stronger business which is what Riot is: a business. What? Again, I think you missed the point of that last line. I was referring to the old way of thinking (used to be very common here on TL a few years back) that LoL is a casual game that takes no skill, which is why it's popular. LoL has been referred to as a ''game for casuals'' for years now, by the SC / Dota community especially. It has to do with the envy part I mentioned in my post. Naturally one would expect the most popular game to have the most amount of casuals, simply due to the volume of gamers. That should be obvious.
'Worldwide Infrastructure'
Lol.... League of Legends E-Sports would absolutely collapse on itself completely if Riot pulled their funding for the LCS. It would only survive in Korea and China, and maybe a few other Asian countries.
And not to turn this into a 'LoL' casual thread, but when we're talking about solo ranked ques, League is actually very casual in comparison to DotA, especially since they changed how exp/gold works when you are behind.
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One additional thing I don't get is how people rave about the deisgn of the new website. Not only is it functionally identical to TL and LD, but it is also less readable and more cluttered with non-information object, particularly in forums, where the images next to posters' IDs are superannoying. I really hope this does not get backported to TL proper.
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Exciting to see Liquid keep moving forward!
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Wow if the LoL fans getting butthurt and angry over liquid being late to the party are any indication of what the LoL scene is about than just...lol. "Our game is the biggest most relevant esport every other game wishes to be!"
Uh, no. I'd rather never play or watch a video game again.
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On January 07 2015 22:47 johnbongham wrote:
Wow if the LoL fans getting butthurt and angry over liquid being late to the party are any indication of what the LoL scene is about than just...lol. "Our game is the biggest most relevant esport every other game wishes to be!"
Uh, no. I'd rather never play or watch a video game again.
thats basically what the lol scene is basically all the time so
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On January 07 2015 22:49 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 22:47 johnbongham wrote:
Wow if the LoL fans getting butthurt and angry over liquid being late to the party are any indication of what the LoL scene is about than just...lol. "Our game is the biggest most relevant esport every other game wishes to be!"
Uh, no. I'd rather never play or watch a video game again. thats basically what the lol scene is basically all the time so
Ah cmon, there are these people IN EVERY scene.
It's like saying dota/sc2 fans don't like lol cause it is bigger, that might be true for some, but it's no fundamental truth...
I never really was a fan of curse, but that might change now (haha that's kinda stupid, isn't it)
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this is what happens when u have unpaid staffers and are at the same time as big/important and as professional as TL tries to come off... staff that are not actually staff but rather volunteers talk, and people listen, thinking what they just heard is what TL is all about. sometimes it works for the organization (because most of the people involved are great human beings), sometimes not so much. but people still keep coming back, so i guess it doesn't matter...
for myself, i remember DOTA announcement and as starcraft-only fanboy (therefore with no bias and attachment to either moba powerhouses) how surprised i was by what ensued afterwards, specifically by how well respected community members were shrugged off when they spoke up basically saying "what about lol"... the general tone of the responses was such that you can't really deny TL hated on LoL, and i imagine it only got worse afterwards, so i guess guys like NonFactor do have a point.
however, as i've already said it's nice to be able to distinguish TL officials and TL community vibe, if it bothers you that much. from business standpoint, this was painfully obvious direction to take... congrats to Curse players. pay your writers now TL 
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Time to move to the dark side ^
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Great news, (my tag has been cursedrich for 15 years, I'm not connected to either organisation) and I'm a liquid fan. Good luck to all involved and looking forward to seeing a new dota squad
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Not a fan of lol but like to see liquid grow. Now pick up another CSGO team!
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I just can't wait to see the TL jerseys and the logo being used in the LCS!~
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Every LoL fan who is bitter about TL just now getting involved in the LoL scene is being extremely naive. TL isn't an organization based on covering the biggest and best games being played, it's only about what their core members want to spend their time covering. If there wasn't many people on their staff willing to cover LoL when TL didn't even have a team invested in the scene, are they really to blame?
Yes at one time TL was the place to be for the best competitive game at the time (BW) and so it WAS the pinnacle place to be at that time. Just like literally everything else in this world the game it was covering sputtered out due to their pro scene moving to SC2 and TL followed the merge between the two as would make sense. Along the way they demonstrated that they also had an affection for Dota2 and branched out into that, but nowhere during that time did they express any interest in League at all. The "hate" associated with LoL was just TL users expressing their discontent with being steered towards a game simply because of its size.
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Well that's just swell, congrats lads
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On January 07 2015 22:10 Titusmaster6 wrote:
Exciting to see Liquid keep moving forward!
... which one, the player or the org...? :D :D :D
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so does this have anything to do with Curse Voice? Is the program independant of the eSports team or is it called "Liquid Voice" now?
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The players/team left Curse and LiQuiD made his own company prior to the merger. I expect the Curse Voice app to be still owned by Curse, not LiQuiD.
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Congratulations, seems like it is a really fitting match 
Also, congratz to the LoL section becoming standalone, good, long overdue move considering it's the largest eSports to date.
Now, question: what about the future largest eSports, HotS? Beta is gonna start soon, do we get at least a subsection? Curse has (had?) a HotS team too, after all...
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Thats a good question they did both have a HoTS team.
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I've been waiting for Liquid to pick up a league team forever. I remember back in SC2 beta (around pre-season 1 in LoL) everyone on the Liquid boards shit on League for being low-skill cap except for a few hardcore posters in the "Other Games" LoL thread. It's crazy how big League has gotten now and it shows how far the game has come (Nissan as a sponsor).
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I kinda wonder why the LoL forums are still on TL now, too. Seems sorta confusing and pointless to have them still on the sidebar here now that there's a full site for that, and even somewhat buggy. The community section, since it's meant to be shared, has support for the different sites all posting on the same thread, with the LoL, DotA and Hearthstone logo, but the now-shared LoL forums don't seem to have that same support. Instead of showing the LoL logo, anyone who's posted just on the new site in those threads show up here on TL as a zero-post-count user, defaulted to the Terran unit icons.
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