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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 04:28:02
December 10 2014 04:26 GMT
#161
Agree that its getting bigger, but..

Untill contracts dont change and most salaries are laughably low (some doesnt even have salaries), im not sure we can call esports "big" as the definition of big, most players have to work/study to keep on going after their carrers are dead whitout any means to feel safe for it (unless you are from that 0.1% that keeps in the scene)

Even Dota 2 kills most carreers once a year (If you fail misserably and TI, you are dead... )

eSports needs some kind of law to achieve stability between employee and employers, so far its seems like its growing without anyone to keep it on check, players SHOULD demand some kind of way to manage to feel secure with this carreer and have motivation not to only play but to help it also, and not just doing for the sake of it
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 10 2014 04:40 GMT
#162
On December 10 2014 13:26 Faruko wrote:
Agree that its getting bigger, but..

Untill contracts dont change and most salaries are laughably low (some doesnt even have salaries), im not sure we can call esports "big" as the definition of big, most players have to work/study to keep on going after their carrers are dead whitout any means to feel safe for it (unless you are from that 0.1% that keeps in the scene)

Even Dota 2 kills most carreers once a year (If you fail misserably and TI, you are dead... )

eSports needs some kind of law to achieve stability between employee and employers, so far its seems like its growing without anyone to keep it on check, players SHOULD demand some kind of way to manage to feel secure with this carreer and have motivation not to only play but to help it also, and not just doing for the sake of it


While I agree that stability is basically non-existent in Esports, I don't think player contracts, salaries, benefits, etc. should be any greater than the kind of ROI that they/their game brings in. Yes, it means that a lot of players will make peanuts, and a lot will vanish because of lack of financial security, but the alternative is creating a gigantic bubble that makes the industry collapse. Look at what sort-of happened in WC3, and that was just with Grubby and Moon.

That said, EG (and I guess now the GG umbrella?) seems to have a reputation for being a solid business, and I'm incredibly happy that an organization that's run professionally in this industry is the one that's getting rewarded. Hopefully it encourages more organizations to follow suit.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 05:05:31
December 10 2014 04:46 GMT
#163
On December 10 2014 13:26 Faruko wrote:
Agree that its getting bigger, but..

Untill contracts dont change and most salaries are laughably low (some doesnt even have salaries), im not sure we can call esports "big" as the definition of big, most players have to work/study to keep on going after their carrers are dead whitout any means to feel safe for it (unless you are from that 0.1% that keeps in the scene)

Even Dota 2 kills most carreers once a year (If you fail misserably and TI, you are dead... )

eSports needs some kind of law to achieve stability between employee and employers, so far its seems like its growing without anyone to keep it on check, players SHOULD demand some kind of way to manage to feel secure with this carreer and have motivation not to only play but to help it also, and not just doing for the sake of it


Oh for sure. But labor income and negotiating leverage in contracts, and the stability of their work, is a lagging indicator in any industry. Always. I don't agree with or endorse it, but it's the truth. The people at the top will get fat before the people at the bottom can have power.

I've commented many times here on the labor issues in esports so I quite clearly agree that issues exist, it's just not a good metric at this stage.

[e] Also, food for thought: E-Sports at College, With Stars and Scholarships (NYT)
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
kblueriver
Profile Joined July 2012
Argentina430 Posts
December 10 2014 05:31 GMT
#164
Guys, in all this analysis comparing eSports with traditional industries, you're forgetting something that could be something: In eSports there is a not so small group of consumers that communicate with each other, and can dictate some things by mutual consensus. We didn't make dreamleague fail miserably, but we did agree that it didn't deserve much, and it got less than other tournaments. Our opinion as a group matters, we make it matter, if we can make an event get 10% or 20% less money just because we as a group don't like it (for good reasons, not on a whine, don't think we can get the whole community to have the same whine). Does it matter, all things considered? Is it a relevant factor? I think it might be. Not game-changing, but relevant. We communicate and choose as a community, and our choices don't rule the market, but they're not meaningless either.

Or maybe it doesn't matter at all. Anyone thinks this could get it's own thread with one and a half pages of comments?
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URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
December 10 2014 05:34 GMT
#165
iNcontrol's vlog-like video
Tminus____
Profile Joined September 2011
249 Posts
December 10 2014 06:34 GMT
#166
Amazon again WOW! "They make no money"!!! says Steve Ballmer



These guys sure know how to spend money on other folks trust. These good times come in cycles, this can only be a boom with an undeniable bubble bust coming around the corner. Don't lose it all in a "bad day" on the exchange and regret being greedy when its too late.

Be safe cash some of your $$worth$$ before its to late! I've known folks who have died over the grief of losing it all back in the dot-com era =[

I wonder what would become of twitchtv if amazon lost a incredible deal of value.

cmon gimme a break im to old for this shit
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 06:44:59
December 10 2014 06:44 GMT
#167
Amazon has operated on very thin margins for a long time. They can do this because they move absurd amounts of volume. Their revenue is fucking unbelievable. This isn't news: it is in fact how they have come to completely dominate their sector. Their investors all know this and are quite fine with it.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
December 10 2014 07:07 GMT
#168
So its safe to say iNcontrol is a millionaire now? Congratulations to the EG family!
Long live the Boss Toss!
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
December 10 2014 07:09 GMT
#169
Nice news, hopefully the SC2 division will benefit from it
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
December 10 2014 07:35 GMT
#170
On December 10 2014 14:34 URfavHO wrote:
iNcontrol's vlog-like video
http://youtu.be/gDBUBckL8VQ

I was just at the exact steakhouse he's describing a few weeks ago for a friend's birthday (he works at Netflix and makes absurd amounts of money). It's swanky and expensive (check for three was around $600), and the steak was ridiculous. I've had some good steaks but oh my god. Also the hand-towels in the bathroom (in the downstairs wine-dungeon) were like disposable napkins.

Nice place.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
December 10 2014 08:01 GMT
#171
Whaaaaaaa?! I guess the OneMoreGameTV connection wasn't as dead as I thought. So now the primary streaming platform owned by a big trade/content delivery site bought an e-sports conglomerate which owns several teams in one game...O_o
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
December 10 2014 08:05 GMT
#172
On December 10 2014 17:01 Zax19 wrote:
Whaaaaaaa?! I guess the OneMoreGameTV connection wasn't as dead as I thought. So now the primary streaming platform owned by a big trade/content delivery site bought an e-sports conglomerate which owns several teams in one game...O_o


yeah, on the actual gaming side, it's a bit of a cluster fuck.

but no one involved on the amazon side or probably the twitch side cares about games, gamers, or esports. twitch is an advertising delivery platform, and EG is an advertising brand. that's what they get paid to be, and that's what they're going to hammer home.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
December 10 2014 08:09 GMT
#173
Maybe they'll have money to get Geoff a proper haircut now.
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 08:23:19
December 10 2014 08:22 GMT
#174
What is this Good game and is this Good game and goodgame ru somehow related?
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tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
December 10 2014 08:22 GMT
#175
there are things money cant buy
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
December 10 2014 08:24 GMT
#176
On December 10 2014 17:22 tadL wrote:
there are things money cant buy

I think most things that matter can't be bought with money.
Like time or freedom.
<3 Alexis Eusebio, Lee Shin Hyung, Choi Seong Hun, Joo Sung Wook, Jang Min Chul, Kim Yoo Jin, Lee Young Ho, Lee Shin Hyung, Yun Young Seo, Kim Joon Ho, Jeong Jong Hyeon, Eo Yoon Su, Johan Lucchesi, Ilyes Satouri
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 08:28:35
December 10 2014 08:26 GMT
#177
freedom you can buy with money. you have money you get huge weapons you can do what the hell you want and shit on rules and no one will touch you and you can pretend to be the good guy too. Time, well thats true
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 08:55:24
December 10 2014 08:53 GMT
#178
I think Incontrols statement shows why twitch bought goodgame, i believe that EG and Alliance are not that important in the whole deal. Esports doesnt exist without sponsorships and GGA is the best at getting them. Streamingplatforms are popping up everywhere at the moment, but twitch just crushed the competition by buying GGA. They can now secure topquality streams through the sponsorshipcontracts. Because without sponsors less high quality playerstreams & no tournaments, etcetc

This looks like a defensive aquisition so that twitch can protect the marketshare it allready has. Good luck finding topquality streams as a up and comming streamingplatform, in the western scene they probably wont find to many.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
December 10 2014 09:27 GMT
#179
Wait SC2 is still alive and people still pay attention to it?

User was warned for this post
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 10 2014 09:31 GMT
#180
On December 10 2014 06:13 Aeromi wrote:
I'm sure this has an impact of Jaedong staying on EG.

I remember rumours of JD going back to a KESPA team not too long ago.
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